USFbulls24

We have beaten FAMU, Syracuse, UCONN, and SMU. A little early on the "real" talk, but this team is once again better than the year before. We will see just how for real we are with the rest of the games on our schedule. I am waiting for a good defense to come at us with a good game plan that basically dares Taggart to throw the football every down because they refuse to get beaten by the run game. 

You're not going to get good attendance against the bottom of the barrel AAC teams unless we are ranked or it's UCF. The hardcore fans already go, but the average fan of USF football is not going to spend 5+ hours of their time going to see us battle 1-6 SMU. 

Awesome, hate those clowns.

Oh so we're not going to include Matt's game vs McNeese State and instead Cincy, but are going to count Flowers against FAMU. Seems fair to me...

Good catch. 

Not necessarily saying he's in a different league, but you've gotta look at the right numbers in order to even have the conversation...

Flower's completion % is helped tremendously by the jet sweep play we run 3,4, 5+ times a game. Doesn't take long for INTs to add up either. Flowers is till 40 or so attempts fewer than Matt was through 7 games. 

My point was not to talk badly about Flowers or point out he's not good. I like Flowers A LOT and think he's done a fantastic job since Taggart has allowed him to play, but Grothe was clearly the better QB through his first 7 games.

Loved the pressure Tom Allen brought over and over. If Shirreffs had that kind of success running it I can't imagine what a Greg Ward, or PJ Walker would/will do to us on the ground. Hopefully it was just something that wasn't planned for at all and caught the D/Allen totally off guard.

Still have a really tough schedule ahead of us. Houston, Navy, ECU, Temple, Cincy. 

If Taggart continues the play calling and better coaching I think we get to 6 wins. I still have such a hard time trusting that it's going to continue, but I sure hope it does.

Agree. I thought Taggart was going to crawl into a hole after Quinton threw that interception. He came back with the halfback pass on the next possession for a TD. He's a different coach/play caller right now and it's awesome to see.

First of all, the racism statement is complete nonsense. Second, where in the world are you getting your numbers from??

1. Grothe had 9 passing TDs through his first 7 games and 7 INTs not 8 and 8. He also added 7 rushing TDs during his first 7 games. So he had 16 total TDs vs 7 INTs.
2. How many of those 137 attempts are the jet sweep which is 100% completion percentage for Flowers? 25? 30? Say he actually throws the ball downfield on those and his completion percentage which is worse than Grothe's in the chart above ends up being even lower.
3. Flowers has 14 total TDs (10 passing) vs 6 INTs (wrong number in the chart again). 
4. Grothe had 1,388 yards passing through 7 games in 165 attempts. Comes out to a 8.41 yards per attempt.He also completed 104 of his first 165 pass attempts. Comes out to a 63% for completions. 
5. Grothe's record through his first 7 games was 5-2.
6. Flowers has completed 83/137 for 1,046 yards which comes out to be a 7.635 yards per attempt.

So here is the REAL break down.

Completion %: Grothe 104 completed, 165 attempted pases = 63% 

                      Flowers 83 completed, 137 attempted passes = 60.5%

Pass Yards:    Grothe 1,388 yards

                      Flowers 1,046 yards 

Yards/Att.:      Grothe 8.41

                      Flowers 7.635

Record:          Grothe 5-2

                     Flowers 3-3* Let's be honest, would be 3-4 had Taggart ran him out there for the final possession of the SMU game.

http://espn.go.com/college-football/player/gamelog/_/id/173139/year/2006/matt-grothe

http://espn.go.com/college-football/player/_/id/3139591/quinton-flowers

http://espn.go.com/college-football/boxscore?gameId=400547712

Good try though. I really like what I've seen out of Flowers. Every game Taggart seems to trust him more and Flowers has rewarded him by playing really well. You obviously got way ahead of yourself above, or purposely fudged numbers. 

Of course they deserve a second chance, but not here. Life is about choices, and now they have to face the music. They're obviously a danger to anyone on campus and they have to go.

Our deadbeat teams at the time vs the deadbeat teams UCF played every year is not even close. 

We were beating legitimate teams and going 8-5, 9-4 playing P5 teams every week.

UCF had a season where they didn't beat a single team with a winning record and finished 10-2 or 9-3 or something like that. They had another season where they went 10-2 and only two of their wins came from teams with winning records - Ball state at like 7-5 and ECU 8-5. 

I'm not saying people didn't get over excited about us, but at least we could hang with some of the big dogs. UCF beat up on the deaf and blind and we talked about like they were going to be the next greatest college football team in America. 

People got way too excited over ucf football. They had one year that they had a really good run and won the BCS game. Other than that they've beaten up on crap in crap conferences. Could possibly have their 2nd winless season in 13 years this year. Love it.

I am encouraged, but Saturday was an outlier in his 29 games as head coach here. I'm hopeful, but can't get myself to trust Taggart's got it figured out yet.

BJ Daniels is by far the better QB than QF at least up to this point. It's become painfully clear that BJ Daniels was the only thing our team had under Skip and without him we would've gone 1-11 every year. 

"We brought Marlon Mack in because we thought he was going to be an All-American safety". Mind blown. 

UCF struck lightning in a bottle with Blake Bortles. Never should've had Storm Johnson he should've been at Miami or Georgia. They lost 5 really, really good WRs. Pretty sure they also lost 7+ defensive starters the last 2 seasons. They were in trouble from the get go this season just looking at that.

Over the last few years they got so lucky with some of their wins. They barely squeaked out wins against Memphis (3-9) and Temple (2-10) the year they went to the BCS game (2013). Last year beating ECU on a last second hail mary where the ECU defender jumped at the 5 yard line and Perriman caught the ball in the endzone... They beat Houston because Greg Ward Jr fumbled at the 1 yard line with 20 seconds left in the game. TD would've put Houston up 19 -17. The football gods are evening it out now. 

Blake Bortles absolutely made that team. 

This will be WAY over Taggart's head. It won't be his decision.

How many of those pass attempts in the first half are the jet sweep where Adams comes across the field pre-snap, Flowers hikes the ball and tosses it to him like a hand off? 10? 15?

You're not watching if you think we throw the ball enough throughout the first 3 quarters of our football games. I've never said we need to be a 50/50 run to pass team or need to throw it all the time. We have to throw the football more when the defense is not expecting it. Not only to try and have a little bit of balance and make the defense think about respecting the pass, but to open up the running game more. If you watch these games we play the defenses make adjustments and saying they stack the box is an understatement. They usually have 9-10 players within 7 yards of the LOS. That's ridiculous. If Taggart or you think we are going to have any kind of offensive success running the football in that situation you're nuts.  

We saw what happened when Daniels left or went down with injury. When he played we had no problem scoring. We just couldn't stop anyone. I wasn't on the boards then, but anyone that was calling for him to be benched must've been lost.

I didn't watch the game, but I have watched both teams this year in previous weeks. Not saying Quinton is a better play maker than either one of their QBs, but those defenses against HOU and SMU have to respect the pass which opens up the field and creates a heck of a lot more opportunity to make a play with their legs. They're not dealing with 8-10 defensive players within 7 yards of the LOS every play like Quinton is. Their coaches are in the business of helping their play makers, not making it more difficult on them (obviously I really don't feel like Taggart is trying to make it more difficult on our guys, but it sure does seem like it sometimes). 

I mean it's quite possible. Anything is possible, but we don't throw the ball enough for anyone to really know if they're getting open or not on a regular basis. There have been plenty of missed throws on wide open receivers on the few times we have thrown. On top of that, when we do throw the football we're down late in the 4th quarter when the defense knows we are throwing and playing 6+ defensive backs on the field so you're probably not going to see wide open receivers. 

.... we don't throw the ball on a regular basis.