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1 hour ago, Triple B said:

4 hours ago, The Great 8 said:

There's a lot more to "best" than high utilization and stats

Unless you have specific criteria, "best" is pretty subjective based on one's opinion ...

Well, we could use a weighted average decision tool, listing all the criteria, then scoring each player against the criteria, and calculating the totals. The player with the highest total wins. Utilization and Stats would be part of the criteria, as would Leadership, Attitude, and Motivation, etc.

We would then have a thin veneer of objectivity over our multiple subjective evaluations (criteria list is subjective, as is each score against that criteria). But hey, ain't scientific management wunnerful???

 

[The Great 8]

4 hours ago, Triple B said:

Unless you have specific criteria, "best" is pretty subjective based on one's opinion ...

Sure. Best is such a vague statement. If someone is going to claim Flowers is our "best" player ever it's only going to be based on recorded stats. Furthermore a QB is the only candidate position to ever be considered in this vacuum.

I mean Flowers has more total yards than Jerry Rice in his junior and senior years. He's obviously better right? /Sarcasm

Nevermind that a QB and WR have different levels of utilization and should he weighted appropriately. What's more, players play against different talent levels.

I just think his argument is flawed. But if wants to claim he's the best based on stats, sure. I won't argue that. In the end, that argument doesn't hold water, though.

[Triple B]

13 minutes ago, The Great 8 said:

I just think his argument is flawed. But if wants to claim he's the best based on stats, sure. I won't argue that. In the end, that argument doesn't hold water, though.

It holds just as much water as yours does until there is some universal standard on what "best" stands for. His opinion is that Q's the best player based on whatever he wants to measure "best" by. You measure differently. There's no such thing as a flawed argument in this, just differing of opinions.

[BrassBulls12]

1 hour ago, The Great 8 said:

Sure. Best is such a vague statement. If someone is going to claim Flowers is our "best" player ever it's only going to be based on recorded stats. Furthermore a QB is the only candidate position to ever be considered in this vacuum.

I mean Flowers has more total yards than Jerry Rice in his junior and senior years. He's obviously better right? /Sarcasm

Nevermind that a QB and WR have different levels of utilization and should he weighted appropriately. What's more, players play against different talent levels.

I just think his argument is flawed. But if wants to claim he's the best based on stats, sure. I won't argue that. In the end, that argument doesn't hold water, though.

My argument ignores utilization and yours ignores the difference in how much more difficult some positions are. I Sorry, but it's a lot harder to be successful as a QB than any other position on the field. So yeah a QB will get more love if your are good at it. But it's much easier to fail. 

[BrassBulls12]

5 hours ago, Triple B said:

Unless you have specific criteria, "best" is pretty subjective based on one's opinion ...

This is why I said there was a lot of reasons to end this discussion. 

[NewEnglandBull]

DJs middle name is “Best” 

[The Great 8]

3 hours ago, Triple B said:

It holds just as much water as yours does until there is some universal standard on what "best" stands for. His opinion is that Q's the best player based on whatever he wants to measure "best" by. You measure differently. There's no such thing as a flawed argument in this, just differing of opinions.

I don't think anyone's (sane) definition would say Quinton Flowers > Jerry Rice. This is an asinine discussion. Some definitions are just WRONG. For that matter, he hasn't even offered a definition for what he means. If he comes out and says "Quinton is the best statistical player by volume" I'd agree with him. His statement was "Without a doubt the best player to have set foot on campus" which leaves a lot open to interpretation.

Edited October 5, 2017 by The Great 8

[Triple B]

1 hour ago, The Great 8 said:

His statement was "Without a doubt the best player to have set foot on campus" which leaves a lot open to interpretation.

That was already shot down .... the answer is LRS.

[The Great 8]

2 minutes ago, Triple B said:

That was already shot down .... the answer is LRS.

Nah. He doesn't have the stats to back that up.