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Looking at USF, Miss St, and NCST

Lynch won't count for Skip.  He is a transfer.

So Leavitt doesnt get credit for JPP?  I dont think thats the conventional wisdom here.  Lynch will have never played for Holtz so to me thats the difference.

From here on out to be known as AAAAKKKKK *spits*

What is the point of this article? That the Big East is the biggest loser in realignment? Really..huh. That type of investigative journalism is worthy of an award.

 

It really wasn't that bad.

Comedians needing props = BAD

 

Perhaps youd prefer.....Carrot Top?

If the ACC just went solid, doesnt the B12 now have to die as has been posited here before?  I think its great news that 2 of the big Florida 3 just got locked into one conference in the P5.  Assuming it stays a P5 and we keep moving in the right direction I have to believe either soon or in the maybe distant future the next team in a P5 conference is USF.

Tampa and ray jay just don't have the critical mass needed to make bus shuttles viable. As an example, Broward County Transit used to run shuttles to Dolphin stadium for fins games and it enjoyed a short run of success, filling buses and easing a truly miserable drive in and out of that place. I actually took one of those to a Marlins world series game and it made the experience 1000x better. The commute in and out of Ray Jay is a dream compared to that place. There are just so many more options here for parking near or far. The other problem is the shuttles are only viable for the transit agency when the team is playing well and people demand the service. Having a 3 and 9 season? Demand goes down, buses ride near empty and it gets abandoned. That's how it went in south Florida. I'll check in with HART and can put in a word with mgmt if someone here thinks they've got pnr locations and markets that could work.

You know we arent going anywhere when the last 5 pages are dedicated to finding reasons for a domino to fall that isnt even likely to help us.  Even Juvwo or whatever has gone quiet.  All we can do is win. 

According to Mark Blaudschun, AAC commissioner, Mike Aresco, is a fan of the historic nature of Penn's basketball arena. Moreover, the Palestra seats fewer than 9,000 people, and the small size of the venue would create an increased demand for tickets to the multi-day event.

If you want to stimulate demand by limiting supply just hold the entire thing in a cardboard box and be done with it.  Who from Houston, Dallas, Tampa, Orlando, Charlotte, etc is going to want to visit this place in February?  DUMB

@theDudeofWV: B1G source: Unofficially FSU is one vote shy of being a unanimous addition to the Big Ten.

Dont know if its been posted elsewhere, but Ralph Wilcox lays out the case for why USF should be achieving AAU status, presumably before FSU.  Relevance is to B1G/FSU/AAU, etc.

http://www.tampabay.com/opinion/columns/column-usf-well-positioned-to-lead-research-drive/2113160

I suppose I'm saying compared to the UNCs and UKs of the world they have had good runs but not been the consistent traditional basketball power until Pitino. Its a team that is 8 years removed from CUSA and has been doing many things right apparently. I'm guessing aside from winning that leading to that revenue. I'm just curious what's behind the success.

I know they are hoops crazy in Kentucky but how and why does the Ville rake in so much cash?   Its not like they have decades of tradition.  Is it big money sponsors, donors?  What am I missing here-  Edit:  Ok re-read to see conference success gets them TV money back.  Still that is huge money and doesnt acct for all of it.

http://money.cnn.com/2013/03/21/news/ncaa-basketball-dollars/index.html?iid=HP_LN

The University of Louisville heads into the NCAA tournament at the top of the rankings in more ways than one. It's the college basketball king of revenue and profits.

The school, which also has the No. 1 ranking in the March Madness tournament, earned a profit of $26.9 million from its men's basketball program last year, according to figures that schools have to file with the Department of Education and analyzed by CNNMoney. That's about 60% more than the $16.9 million profit at the University of North Carolina, whose men's hoops team had the second largest profit.

Louisville's profit margin is a whopping 63% -- enough to make any NBA owner green with envy. The pros pay just over half of their revenue to the players.

But Louisville's profit margin is only the fourth fattest. North Carolina rules on that measure with a 70% margin. The basketball programs at Minnesota and Ohio State also have higher margins than Louisville.

Of course, not every school is churning out cash from their basketball teams. Three dozen schools out of the 345 Division 1 programs that reported figures to the DOE posted losses. But all told the Division 1 schools reported a combined profit margin of 25% on $1.3 billion in men's basketball revenue.

Louisville and Syracuse are both members of the soon-to-be gutted Big East conference. Conferences are the major source of money for the various schools, because each school's share of the $700 million pie the NCAA gets from TV broadcast partners CBS (CBS,Fortune 500) and Turner Sports each year is based on the success of all the teams in its conference over a number of years, not an individual school's record that season. (Turner Sports is owned by CNNMoney parent Time Warner

But Louisville and Syracuse are likely to stay near the top of the basketball revenue rankings next year even as they leave the Big East. That's because they are moving to the ACC, the powerhouse conference that is home to North Carolina and Duke.

The conferences also split the football game payouts each year evenly between their members. The chase for dollars has so many schools changing conferences in recent years that keeping track of who's going where has become as difficult as hitting a half-court shot.

So even winning the NCAA title is not a guarantee of a financial whirlwind.

The University of Kentucky, a member of the SEC and last year's NCAA men's champion, brought home only about half the revenue as its in-state rival Louisville.

The SEC, while a football powerhouse, has not done as well in March Madness as some of the other major conferences. So Kentucky finished only 21st in the ranking of the most profitable basketball programs, just behind Big 10 member Northwestern University, which has never made it into the basketball tournament but benefits from the success of other Big 10 schools.

There is a lot of mixing within this thread between what schools mean to a conference (academics, recruiting, reputation, facilities, travel considerations, etc) and what they mean to a TV contract (market size, fanbase, rivalries). Yes there is some overlap between the two but just because we are not tier A in a TV contract doesn't mean we won't move to a better conference if a Florida presence is sought and the dominoes fall in our favor.

The fact that UCF/USF are not in group A is not a statement of our relative worth in the conference. 

Id argue the exact opposite of this statement.  Our TV contract is based on sum of the 12 teams value to NBC/ESPN, whoever.  These companies have determined what each of these schools is worth to the conference.  Obviously a UCONN has a national brand that is worth more than a Tulane, the numbers are not the same for each school.  Add the 12 schools up and divide by 12 and you get the 1.5 million annually per school.  My bet is that UCONN, Cincy, UH and Temple represent the 4 highest value teams in the conference and if 2 or more of them leave the contract is void.  Pretty simple.

Anyone, including TV execs are not trying to look into a crystal ball to hedge against power 5 conference moves and what may or may not happen.  That sounds ridiculous.

Philly and Houston are very big cities.  Even if those schools don't get top billing at home, losing those markets from the conference hurts more than the I-4.  Everyone in this conference is separated by very little, however those TV sets make a difference.

USF should be happy that we didnt make it into the 'bad losses' category that might have bumped them to a 3 or 4 seed.

America 12 is going to get muscled out of several things the Big East had access to.  Id call them vultures but thats not fair, its just business.  Its going to be tough adjusting my expectations to the new reality of post-Big East athletics.

Jersey Guy should stick to breaking news rather than pontificating about what the new conference should and shouldnt do.  Yeah lets have another MAC conference out there.  Aresco may have been working but more like getting his butt chewed off rather than working.  By the way, I see McMurphys numbers suggest we are going to get less than the $30 mil once others are paid.  $15 million off the top for the lawyers and other BS.  Pay the new members and going away C7 and we will still get paid but short of $30 million.

Say Huh ? He has a really good take on whats going on / down in the now former Big east .And I am sure he is aware of lawyer fees etc and was just giving the monetary number without breakdown . Been following him for quite a bit now . 

I agree about his insider knowledge, thats why Im suggesting he stick to that.  Suggesting a conference thats going to be dying for legitimacy actively solicit a name of Big Mac and sponsorship from McDonalds is laughable.  

Jersey Guy should stick to breaking news rather than pontificating about what the new conference should and shouldnt do.  Yeah lets have another MAC conference out there.  Aresco may have been working but more like getting his butt chewed off rather than working.  By the way, I see McMurphys numbers suggest we are going to get less than the $30 mil once others are paid.  $15 million off the top for the lawyers and other BS.  Pay the new members and going away C7 and we will still get paid but short of $30 million.

Right cause Wisconsin, Illinois, Ohio and indiana are east coast, f'in frauds. Houston, SMU, yeah yeah blah blah but we just got bent over again. It better be good money for all this whoring going on.

wut is aw-ish?

Day 2 of the Engineering Expo will be going on as well, minus the hoards of school kids currently invading campus. Tons of interesting things for a 9 year old to see and do.

 

 

I can speak from personal experience that I have never, am not now, nor do I believe that I will ever be a fan of Duke or UNC football, although I grew up in Charlotte and followed their basketball programs since I was in high school (mid seventies). I really honestly don't believe that being a fan of a school YOU DID NOT ATTEND in x-sport necessarily generates fandom for y-sport. If anything, I would be inclined to say that football probably gens more basketball interest, because for a lot of people, the only basketball they care about kicks off in March. 

  Youve got to remember here at USF & the Carolinas you are talking about the South and college football is a world of difference between here and up there.  You wouldnt have to like Duke or UNC football when NCST is winning.   Football does not generate basketball interest in New England.   UCONN's football move to FBS doesnt predate USF by much but somehow they have a top 50 football fanbase?  Their alumni alone wont do that. 

 

They have had significant major college sport success in BB.   There is also no professional sports team in CT anymore and UCONN football is the top football program in the six state new England area and arguably New York as well.  Who were all the people up their rooting for before UCONN?  UMASS?  Rutgers? (BC and Cuse to some degree)  Cmon when they went to the Fiesta Bowl a couple years ago people paid attention. To have a top 50 fanbase they are pulling non-alumni fans in, Id argue in part based on recognition from basketball success.

IIRC, the main publicity UConn got for going to the Fiesta bowl was a consensus that they didn't belong because they had 4-5 losses. And then they got routed. Not much good publicity from that.  And i am very sceptical about the notion that they have a top 50 fan base.

 

 

They also lost a shitpot full of coin on the deal.

They couldn't move their ticket allotment and get enough fans out west. Lost $1.5 million or so. They are clearly not a national brand in football but have a regional draw.  Storrs is 15 min from the Mass border and they've recruited the heck out of NY State in BB and do well enough there in FB.  BTW I think you take the hits and criticism for the performance as part of the deal.  Lets face it none of us nBE leftovers will be sniffing a BCS bowl anytime in the near future beyond an opportunity this year.

As suggested a few days back, ESPN matches to deprive competitors of inventory and sticks the BE in the closet to collect dust.  I like our chances better with NBC.  The way things have gone lately we will somehow end up with the worst overall deal being offered.

I can speak from personal experience that I have never, am not now, nor do I believe that I will ever be a fan of Duke or UNC football, although I grew up in Charlotte and followed their basketball programs since I was in high school (mid seventies). I really honestly don't believe that being a fan of a school YOU DID NOT ATTEND in x-sport necessarily generates fandom for y-sport. If anything, I would be inclined to say that football probably gens more basketball interest, because for a lot of people, the only basketball they care about kicks off in March. 

  Youve got to remember here at USF & the Carolinas you are talking about the South and college football is a world of difference between here and up there.  You wouldnt have to like Duke or UNC football when NCST is winning.   Football does not generate basketball interest in New England.   UCONN's football move to FBS doesnt predate USF by much but somehow they have a top 50 football fanbase?  Their alumni alone wont do that. 

They have had significant major college sport success in BB.   There is also no professional sports team in CT anymore and UCONN football is the top football program in the six state new England area and arguably New York as well.  Who were all the people up their rooting for before UCONN?  UMASS?  Rutgers? (BC and Cuse to some degree)  Cmon when they went to the Fiesta Bowl a couple years ago people paid attention. To have a top 50 fanbase they are pulling non-alumni fans in, Id argue in part based on recognition from basketball success.