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TAMPA — As new UCF athletic director Todd Stansbury has made the rounds to booster gatherings around the state this spring, the excitement and buzz among Knights fans about their future in the Big East is enough that he has to remind people that first there's a farewell season in Conference USA. "Everybody's extremely excited about joining the Big East," Stansbury said last week at UCF's Tampa-area gathering at the Rusty Pelican restaurant. "There's been a lot of energy, a lot of anticipation getting ready for the Big East. One of the things that the coaches and myself keep saying is that we can't overlook today's opponent." UCF is one of six programs joining the Big East in summer 2013, along with C-USA's Houston, SMU and Memphis and football-only additions Boise State and San Diego State from the Mountain West. It's a move the Knights wanted to make for a long time, but football coach George O'Leary said he wants his team to leave C-USA on a high note first. More at: http://www.tampabay.com/sports/college/article1230014.ece Short O' Leary interview: http://www.tampabay.com/sports/college/article1230043.ece

That's pretty much what I'm saying. It's really strange that it's taken basically 12-13 thread pages for someone to ask for the numbers to be verified or sourced. If I had posted any numbers, which I really haven't, I would have linked to them, instead of taking credit for someone else's hard work. BTW, I respectfully decline the ticket offer/wager, etc. I probably shouldn't keep anyone holding their breath waiting anymore.

Actually, Greg Swaim says that the Big 12 has offered to pay the entire $20mil. I'd be rather shocked if that is true, unless they get a big bonus on their TV contract to get FSU in. But, while a lot of people here aren't fans of Swaim, but he's pretty much nailed all the Big 12 related items. He truly has at least one very credible source inside the B12. Don't know who Swaim is, so I can't say anything about his credibility. I'm sure they can get the current members to cough up a couple mil to bring in FSU. If that's the case, I'd lean more towards them making the jump. So for Bill (bullwinkle) - you gave a lot of numbers earlier in thread but cited no sources - care to share? I love a good discussion but I'm not usually one to just take some random joe's word for it when it comes to numbers.

I would hope so, but we're still fighting the media perception put out there that we're a directional, commuter school. Ugh ... just reading a tweet from Gottlieb makes me want to take a shower. What a dirtbag.

Wow. Crazy stuff.

Will have to check out the issues you speak of there. Am curious to see if there is truly a chance that the buyout would be reduced as well.

Really? Smh

LOL, high ranking people like that rarely sneeze in public without considering the ramifications. Him being wrong about the 3rd tier revenue isn't nearly as bad as Barron making factual errors in a written statement released to the press. I find it highly unlikely those errors were made by mistake. He has people on staff to make sure any prepared statements are accurate. Barron is trying to sell the illusion that FSU has not had any conversations with the Big 12, so as to avoid litigation in the future. The Barron statement makes me more convinced they are talking, not less. So now you're saying Barron's statement had factual errors? Can you enlighten? FWIW, I was sure there was already discussion between FSU and the B12 before the statement, that's pretty much a no-brainer. Where our paths go different directions is on what the final outcome will be.

Also, not sure the Haggard thing was planned ... That's a little too "tin foil hat" for me, seeing he was dead wrong about the 3rd tier revenue.

I'm already on record as saying I might be wrong, and that I hope they do jump. I wasn't excoriating (you seem to be confused on the usage of this word) your posts, Bill, and I didn't say your were always wrong - maybe following your own advice and reading people's posts would be a good idea for you. I was merely asking for your sources about the revenue discrepancy. If you say they are in previous pages, I will certainly take a look when I can. Data, you may be right ... You bring up some good points - and even if FSU doesn't jump, it could be happening as you say. I guess we'll see, but no one is as good as gone and nothing is a done deal.

He should say that. Where do you get that this infers an imminent move to the Big 12? I don't. You said the president was arguing in favor of staying in the ACC. That is not at all how I read his entire statement. I originally said he seems to be in favor of staying. I went on to say with him in favor of staying (there were more cons to pros in his statement) it's hard to fathom them leaving. It would be stupid not to look at the options, but it's reasonable to say he seems to have more reason to stay than to leave. How each pro and con is valued by every decision maker at FSU is anyone's guess at this point. If you don't read it as him leaning towards staying in the ACC, you seem to be reading and interpreting only what you want to get from it.

He should say that. Where do you get that this infers an imminent move to the Big 12? I don't. You said the president was arguing in favor of staying in the ACC. That is not at all how I read his entire statement. I originally said he seems to be in favor of staying. I went on to say with him in favor of staying (there were more cons to pros in his statement) it's hard to fathom them leaving. It would be stupid not to look at the options, but it's reasonable to say he seems to have more reason to stay than to leave. How each pro and con is valued by every decision maker at FSU is anyone's guess at this point.

It's ACC meetings week and FSU to the B12 is the hot rumor. He's the president of FSU. I'm sure that's probably good reason why he's talking. Do you have a legit source other than just your gut feeling (which has been wrong before, especially in the recruiting boards)? First I've heard of the bold parts. The difference in annual revenue that I've seen for FSU if they make the jump is $2.9M. Where are you getting the 10-12 million figure? If it's earlier in the thread, I apologize, otherwise I hope it's not too inconvenient to ask for a source. Fan polls are irrelevant. Are you going by Haggard's words about their BOT? Again, he's backed down from his comments regarding lost revenue from 3rd tier. Did you see that faculty is adamantly opposed to the move to the B12 in the statement article I linked to above? Does that count for something? I understand Barron is one guy, but he's a pretty important guy who has quite a say in the matter. Doesn't matter to me if I end up wrong on this - but we've all been here before, and you have certainly been wrong as well, Bill. I changed your type above to make "think" stand out, because that's all you and all of us really have at this point. I enjoy the speculation, I just feel compelled to argue the other side because no one else seems to be doing it, everyone else seems to have googly eyes hoping this happens. I hope it happens too, so maybe USF can slide into their spot, but it's still a long shot and I'm not holding my breath waiting for it to happen.

He should say that. Where do you get that this infers an imminent move to the Big 12?

Yeah, just like when the GM of a baseball team says they aren't going to fire the manager. That is when he knows he's in trouble. FSU is as good as gone. It's not like that every time. A lot of folks put a lot of stock in message board chatter and blog posts. I don't, usually. I love the speculation but I do get a kick out of those who take things to extremes. They may very well be gone at some point, but there's no hard evidence that they are now or in the immediate future. There isn't one person on this board, or anywhere else, for that matter, that has accurately predicted the way things have turned out in realignment.

He's just the PC mouth piece.... too many people at FSU are talking for this to not happen.... Who else is talking? Spetman hasn't said anything about meeting with them (I am curious if he really was on a plane to Dallas the other night). Haggard got his facts mixed up and has backed away from his earlier comments. Jimbo has no say in the matter, so what he thinks is irrelevant. So who else at FSU is talking about this being a done deal? Name names or post sources, please.

We're definitely getting way ahead of ourselves here - FSU's president seems to be arguing in favor of staying the ACC - see the latest statement here: http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/_/id/7929292/statement-florida-state-president-eric-barron-acc-alignment With the president of the university in favor of staying put, it's hard to fathom FSU making a move at this point.

So the obvious question is: what's your relation?

Those games between the Noles and Sooners have produced quite a trail of tears between Tallahassee and Norman - for the Noles.

I would love to see or at least know how you came to that conclusion.

mustard is ok as long as it's dijon.

That's not going out on a limb, that's a well-thought out argument. Of course we would be a solid choice - but to say we are definitively a solid #2 on the ACC's radar is going out so far on the limb that the limb could break at any moment, at this point.

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Based on what? You just went out on a limb further than anyone else.