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interesting article...... I think I am sicker now that before: http://americanfreepress.net/?p=5131 I smell a cover up of a cover up.

yeah screw those college students that had absolutely nothing to do with what happened or the fact it was covered up!!! hell they were close to 10 years old when it happened at psu. let's punish them severely to teach them a lesson to never let it happen again!! Punished severely?? How the hell are the current students being punished severely? The Death Penalty would have been punished severely. They still get 6 or 7 Saturdays a year they get to experience a home college football game. What they don't get is a chance to go to a bowl game while they're there. That's a severe punishment?? Gimme a break .. 94's not a troll .... just very, very, very opinionated ... to see a troll, look for Mookie. at least he is cordial when he disagrees with you. I have no problem with him. We have disgreed in the past and he did not personally attach me unlike some others on this board. He kept to the points he was trying to make. people have opinions, we are not always going to agree. that is life. he handles it well imho. He is definately not a troll.

funny football takes precedent over quite a few academic programs at USF. the athletic department and our coach sees it's budget increase every year while tuition rises double digit and state funding is cut. listen i have no problem if you want to gut college athletics. I'm all in favor of it actually. I think there is way to much spent on athletics but please don't act all high and mighty and pretend USF doesn't put it's football program on a pedestal. this happened because one sicko and 5 guys 15 years ago covered something up. something that the state police and prosecutor decided not to pursue 4 years earlier. Not saying we dont take athletics seriously here. We definitely do more than we should, considering the budget crisis. Most programs do. However, dont compare USF's program to Penn State's. That would just be blasphemous. There is a huge difference between pedestals. I also pray that USF's pedestal isnt so high that it looks the other way when crimes such as these are committed. I would rather my team be mediocre for eternity than let what PSU happen, happen here. It is not worth it. Never said I wanted to disband college athletics of any kind. I enjoy college athletics more than professional for the most part. However, it is just a game. idgaf if the players sold memorabilia or had sex with hookers on a yacht. I have no problem with any of that. What PSU did though, imo, is unforgivable. I can only hope something like this never happens at USF. I'd rather it not happen anywhere. Unfortuantely we have some wack jobs living among us. Case in point check out the puppet weilding wack job on tbo.com. It looks like they caught him before he was able to commit any crimes.... I hope.

Agreed, but most sanctions are due to cheating and trying to gain a competitive advantage. The FB team did not benefit from this scandal. the victims were negatively impacted by the scandal. I would have liked to see some of there input in this. I am curious to see how many of them wanted the program to be reprimanded for this.

yeah screw those college students that had absolutely nothing to do with what happened or the fact it was covered up!!! hell they were close to 10 years old when it happened at psu. let's punish them severely to teach them a lesson to never let it happen again!! Punished severely?? How the hell are the current students being punished severely? The Death Penalty would have been punished severely. They still get 6 or 7 Saturdays a year they get to experience a home college football game. What they don't get is a chance to go to a bowl game while they're there. That's a severe punishment?? Gimme a break .. agreed its not as severe as the DP. i would hae like to see less sanctions on the program and more fines and penalties to the institution.

yeah screw those college students that had absolutely nothing to do with what happened or the fact it was covered up!!! hell they were close to 10 years old when it happened at psu. let's punish them severely to teach them a lesson to never let it happen again!! There are penalties against the whole team and associated fans during games, and for recruiting violations. This is really no different. If it's so necessary those students attend a school with a national championship contender in football, they can always transfer. so you wouldn't have a problem if you were a current USF student and something happened 10 years ago that got us a 4 year ban, 40 scholarship losses, $60M fine, allowed players to transfer, etc? that's what happened to them. sure just transfer...... I think euthanasia is in order. This is the only way for innocent people to be dealt with accordingly. the anarchist got most of what they wanted. Its all good in the hood. 4 people and a crap police department has cost them dearly. The 10 year olds that were part of the cover up got what they deserved!!!!. The court of public opinion has shown that it weilds more power than the judicial system. This is a sad situation. It was going to be lose, lose no mater how it played out. There were too many differing opinions. I think 3-4 years of no revenue plus the civil cases would have been a better fate. I was in favor of hitting them financially with requiring them to donate all FB revenues to charity for 3-4 years. That would have been $210-$290 in donations. Instead they got 1 year of lost revenues and 4-10 years of being a zombie. it would have positively effected more organizations in need, but what do I know. They got hammered and most people feel satisfied.

Why isn't anybody getting pissed off at the police department for f'ing up the 1998 investigation? One shrink said pedophile, the other shirnk said not a pedophile. Sooo they decided to go with the second opinion and leave it all alone. This was done prior to Spanier, Curley, Schultz and Paterno getting involved. It was out of their control. The mom went to the police and she was told, "NAH Sandusky is a saint"..... Penn State is righfully accused of a cover up, but I think the police department is more liable. If they had differing opinions by skrinks, they should have gotten a third opinion. we can't ask the DA anything cuz he is missing....

More like $240-300 million dollar settlement. I am thinking these victims should be compensated 20-25 millions dollars based on the overwhelming evidence and lack of reagrd for them. Its going to be huge whatever it is. Let the victims dictate if a death penalty is warranted. As a victim they get to suggest punishmen beyond monetary values. If they want it shut down, my opinions is meanigless, as I did not suffer these horrific crimes. If that is what they want, and it helps them begin to heal, so be it. Those 12 opinions matter more than any of ours.

This is happening. Sandusky has been tried and convicted. Paterno is dead. Spanier, Curley and Schultz are facing trial. Maybe a few others might still face prosecution, but I feel that prosecuting those involved in the crime and cover-up should not be the end. You obviously do. so you think the end should be to put thousands of innocent people out of work. people that had nothing to do with the crime or cover-up. state college grows 3 times as large on a game day. hotel rooms rent for 4 times what they normally would. gas stations, beer vendors, restaurants, etc would lose tens of millions in revenue a year. you know how many jobs that translates to? those are jobs that go poof the minute they give psu football the death penalty. those are the people that will be punished with a psu death penalty. not joe pa. not the pres. not the athletic director. not sandusky. not the vice pres. Unfortunately alot of people think that the largest cause of devestation to the most amount of innocent people will somehow make everything better and give them warm fuzzies inside.... short term thinking in a scenario like this is a bad idea. The sandwhich shop on the corner that makes ( 30-50% guesstimate) of their profits during these 6-7 weekends has no business losing 2-3 years worth of their lively hood becuase of this. This will ruin state college, PA's local economy. But people would rather EVERYONE be punished for this, rather than those accountable. Remember SMU's death penalty hurt SMU, Dallas as a city was large enough to weather the death penalty becuase it has a large scale economy when compared to state college. Only 104K people live in the burough and surrounding townships. I guess they all should declare bankruptcy now and move. It will make YOU feel better. Two of the top employers in State College Pa are Dauntes Resuarantes, who owns 7 restaurants in the area. another is Hotel State College and Company. Two of there largest employeres in town... cripling them sounds like a great idea...... Let's get the Reduction in Force letters ready/ Closing signs up.... this will teach you to allow 4 idiots to make horrible decisions!! Wait, you didn't know? Too Bad, die anyways!!!!!!! The more I think of it, the more i like it. This is anarchists dream come true. MASS DESTRUCTION!!!!! I'm gonna go buy some gasoline, whose with me!!!!!!!!! Let's burn it all down!! They can move after we ruin their lives. That will teach them a great lesson!! We're with you!!! ...... LOL!!! but where is the gasoline?

Oil spill scenario. that might work. On top of the civil torts this may be a bit much to ask Penn State to pay. Will they even be liable for these claims if a governing body orders the shut down? I would think the NCAA would have to make restitution to local business as they are the ones orderig the shut down. That is my only question. Good idea, but I am not sure if it is feasible.

This is happening. Sandusky has been tried and convicted. Paterno is dead. Spanier, Curley and Schultz are facing trial. Maybe a few others might still face prosecution, but I feel that prosecuting those involved in the crime and cover-up should not be the end. You obviously do. so you think the end should be to put thousands of innocent people out of work. people that had nothing to do with the crime or cover-up. state college grows 3 times as large on a game day. hotel rooms rent for 4 times what they normally would. gas stations, beer vendors, restaurants, etc would lose tens of millions in revenue a year. you know how many jobs that translates to? those are jobs that go poof the minute they give psu football the death penalty. those are the people that will be punished with a psu death penalty. not joe pa. not the pres. not the athletic director. not sandusky. not the vice pres. Unfortunately alot of people think that the largest cause of devestation to the most amount of innocent people will somehow make everything better and give them warm fuzzies inside.... short term thinking in a scenario like this is a bad idea. The sandwhich shop on the corner that makes ( 30-50% guesstimate) of their profits during these 6-7 weekends has no business losing 2-3 years worth of their lively hood becuase of this. This will ruin state college, PA's local economy. But people would rather EVERYONE be punished for this, rather than those accountable. Remember SMU's death penalty hurt SMU, Dallas as a city was large enough to weather the death penalty becuase it has a large scale economy when compared to state college. Only 104K people live in the burough and surrounding townships. I guess they all should declare bankruptcy now and move. It will make YOU feel better. Two of the top employers in State College Pa are Dauntes Resuarantes, who owns 7 restaurants in the area. another is Hotel State College and Company. Two of there largest employeres in town... cripling them sounds like a great idea...... Let's get the Reduction in Force letters ready/ Closing signs up.... this will teach you to allow 4 idiots to make horrible decisions!! Wait, you didn't know? Too Bad, die anyways!!!!!!! The more I think of it, the more i like it. This is anarchists dream come true. MASS DESTRUCTION!!!!! I'm gonna go buy some gasoline, whose with me!!!!!!!!! Let's burn it all down!! They can move after we ruin their lives. That will teach them a great lesson!!

I would love to hear if the victiims want the program disbanded. If they do, then I will support it. Funny nobody is asking for the Boy Scouts to bisdand after MULTIPLE sex abuse scandles AND cover ups. Don't beleive me, google Boy Scouts "Perversion Files". It chronciles the sex abuse cases that the Boy Scouts of America has information on and did not report or act upon appropriately. The Boyscouts are happy this scandle came along becuase it took the lime light off of them. My stance was if the board new, then my stance on the death penalty would change. It turns out they found out the severity of the crimes in 2011, becuase the President failed to properly perform his fiduciary responsibility and misled them. He will stand trial for this and other crimes in the near future. If the board was involved in the cover up, I would have lit the match with the rest of you. There are too many variables here to let 4 idiots destroy more lives than the ones they have already ruined. A price will be paid to the victims, healing will begin for them, God willing. The 3 idiots still breathing will face a jury of their peers and will hopefully be convicted and sentenced to jail. Penn State already has a "Scarlet Letter" forever branded on their chest. Disbanding the football program after firing everyone involved with the previous staff and administration will not add much to a culture change that will naturally happen with a new coaching staff and school administration team. Dispanding the program does not guarantee any more change then what will naturally happen.

6'4", 210lbs and still growing!! Good catch. WElcome to Bulls Nation!

why did he wait for his senior year to do this? He could have been a weapon last year as well. dont get me wrong, I am happy he did this and I hope it makes a difference this year for us. it just would have been nice to have this extra power from him last year.

Cool. I noticed that two of the jerseys are size 36..... is it possible for a football player can fit in a size 36 jersey? thats like xxsmall.

LOL!! Lets turn them into the Chcago Cubs of CFB. LOL

You just confirmed our demotion.... ugh.

That is always the case. Power corrupts. When people in power break the law they need to go to jail. In this case jail is going to bring them the violations they failed to report.. That is justice! Let them see what its like to be abused and have nobody to defend them. So what do you think should happen to Penn State? I already stated this, but I did not go into all the details. They need to pay the victims. My guess is the figure will be 15-25 million per victim. I am fine with any monetary sanctions imposed by the NCAA and /or Big10. I've got no problem with monetary payouts for the victims but there's no way they should be imposed by the NCAA. That's not their role .... Payouts should be a civil matter between the university and the victims when the criminal stuff is done. I dont disagree, But I won't cry foul if they smack em anyways. I am just not for the death penalty on this.

That is always the case. Power corrupts. When people in power break the law they need to go to jail. In this case jail is going to bring them the violations they failed to report.. That is justice! Let them see what its like to be abused and have nobody to defend them. So what do you think should happen to Penn State? I already stated this, but I did not go into all the details. They need to pay the victims. My guess is the figure will be 15-25 million per victim. I am fine with any monetary sanctions imposed by the NCAA and /or Big10. Should they get the death penalty, no. should they clean house and start over.... absolutely. Spainer, Schultz and Curley are the ones that agreed to the cover up. They will be held accountable for this. to our knowledge, the BOD were not informed of the situation. If it comes out that the cover up is more expansive than what has been reported to us, then I may reconsider. As of right now, paying over 150 million out to the victims and any additional sanctions should hit them in the pockets. I have a feeling their insurance company may find a loophole to back out of covering 100% of the settlements. D&O policies cover most issues, but criminal activity of this nature might not be covered. I am anxious to see how the settlements play out. We may never find out what % of it is covered by insurance, but I'd be shocked it will not cover 100% of it. Before this thread, I have to tell you, I did not think that the NCAA had any business in this case. I agree with you about cleaning house. It would be ignorant to think that nobody else was involved in a stretch of 10 plus years. Also the statue outside the stadium has to come down. It is the fiduciary responsibility of the University to have controls in place. In the corporate world Sarbanes Oxley was created to keep checks and balances at all levels. Same has to be true for not only at Penn State but all Universities. I agree 100%. SOX requires a multilevel approval systems to avoid these scenarios. While the organization might not be subject to SOX, the emails make it appear to have an organizational approval system in place. Curley made his recommendation to Spanier and Spanier as Chief Executive approved the course of action. Typically legal would be required to be involved with these type of decisions but they did not involve them, as a lawyer with bar certification would have had to report the incident to the proper authorities. The problem here is the individuals making the decisions where idiots. You hit the nail on the head, they did not fullfill their fiduciary responsibility to the university. The univerisity is liable for damages becuase of the positions these indivduals had within the organization. PSU can not say they were not aware of the situation as their main execs are the one the covered it up. Once anyone in the organization is aware of a situation, the organiztion is deemed aware..... they will pay for this. At least PSU is not claiming they are not liable. it appears they want to do the right thing.

That is always the case. Power corrupts. When people in power break the law they need to go to jail. In this case jail is going to bring them the violations they failed to report.. That is justice! Let them see what its like to be abused and have nobody to defend them. So what do you think should happen to Penn State? I already stated this, but I did not go into all the details. They need to pay the victims. My guess is the figure will be 15-25 million per victim. I am fine with any monetary sanctions imposed by the NCAA and /or Big10. Should they get the death penalty, no. should they clean house and start over.... absolutely. Spainer, Schultz and Curley are the ones that agreed to the cover up. They will be held accountable for this. to our knowledge, the BOD were not informed of the situation. If it comes out that the cover up is more expansive than what has been reported to us, then I may reconsider. As of right now, paying over 150 million out to the victims and any additional sanctions should hit them in the pockets. I have a feeling their insurance company may find a loophole to back out of covering 100% of the settlements. D&O policies cover most issues, but criminal activity of this nature might not be covered. I am anxious to see how the settlements play out. We may never find out what % of it is covered by insurance, but I'd be shocked it will not cover 100% of it.

That is always the case. Power corrupts. When people in power break the law they need to go to jail. In this case jail is going to bring them the violations they failed to report.. That is justice! Let them see what its like to be abused and have nobody to defend them.

So why did they just fire Tressel for not reporting a minor infraction and stop there ? But they then punished the whole OS football program for lack of institutional control did they not ? . This was caused by just three or four but they all are suffering for it . Besides this was an Institution cover-up . How much more out of control can you get ? Just saying . If a member of the team does something to affect their eligility the whole team pays. That is the deterent for trying to stop the kids from accepting gifts. Here these kids enrolled in a school thinking that there was no criminal activity going on. The facade was able to stay intact untitl the chrages were filed. I am not by any means defending these scum bags. The insitution will be paying for the poor leadership decisions of the president and his idiot subordenates. That is why the BOD fired him immediately. This information was swept under the rug by a select few with the power to do so. They will get their punishment in a court of law. PSU will get their punishment for hiring these scumbags to make these decisions in civil court. In my eyes all guilty parties will eventually pay for their transgressions and be held accountable. There is no need to give a death penalty to the fans that were not aware of this and to the players that chose to go there. Nobody in their right minds would say, I want to route for Child Molester U, and no recruit would commit to that. The NCAA's job is to protect the purity of the sports it oversees and to protect the amatuer status of its participants. While the university is entrenched in a horrific scenario, their punishment will be handled in the courts. this issue is indirectly associated with the football programs day to day operations. If you want to give them monetary sanctions, that is fine. To take this out on their fan base and student athletes would be a bad move. If you want them to not gain $ from bowl games, TV contracts for a few years, that is fine by me. I do not think there should be any bowl bans as this effects the people that are innocent in this case... the fans and players. Lets keep the punishement to those that should be accountable and leave the ones that had nothing to do with this out of it. Wow, just wow. The poor players who might have to transfer to a University that doesn't systemically harbor the lowest form of life.The poor fans who might not get to go to a bowl game during their college years, How horrible. What about the terrified 10 year old boys who were pinned in the showers, basements and hotel rooms sanctioned by the Pennsylvania State University. What about the fact that their lives were ruined and that they will never have normalcy again. Those lives ended the day Jerry Sandusky found them. Now as horrific as that crime is, it pales in comparison to what comes next. When the boys reported the abuse, they weren't believed because, how could this hallowed man from such a prestigious University be capable of such despicable horror? Not only that, but he was able to form a boys charity because of his position in that hallowed institution. The charity where he carefully selected victims from troubled homes that were prime for his debauchery. Yes Jerry Sandusky was a sick and depraved man. But you know what? Jerry Sandusky doesn't get the bulk of my ire. That is reserved for an institution and the staff that knew what Jerry was and what he was doing and hid it from public view. If ever there was a culture of corruption it existed at PSU. And for what gain. To protect their hallowed football program. Now, a university that knows the pain and suffering it has caused and holds itself to any kind of moral compass, immediately shuts down the football program and put's independent monitors in every other sport to insure the safety of their students. They bring investigators in, but probably should suspend all athletics in the interim. They wait for the result of the report from the investigators(due in Aug). In the meantime they do everything necessary to further protect young lives. What did Penn State do? 1) 1998 Penn State university Police 1st interview Sandusky victim. No charges filed. 2) 1999 Sandusky allowed to retire - but retain full access to PSU 3) 2000- Janitor at PSU reports to supervisor that JS was having oral sex with young boy. Another Janitor witnessed JS leaving shower holding hands with the boy. 4) 2002- GA at PSU reports to Paterno that JS was having anal sex with 10-year old boy 5) By now the AD, JoePA, Univ VP and Pres all know what happened and the begin the coverup 6) General Counsel of The Second Mile and PSU has known about JS allegations since 1998, Sandusky is still allowed access to the University, it's FB games which he was using to lure victims and the freaking shower facilities, until when? 2011. 7) November 2011, victim goes public, Sandusky is charged. Paterno offers to retire after end of season. 8) Press tries to destroy the credibility of the GA who reported Sandusky 9) firestorm erupts and BOT fires everyone after huge public condemnation Now we know PSU attempted to save the legacy of their venerated FB coach who was likely orchestrating the coverup from the beginning. There is obviously a culture at PSU which will value football above children, human life and the law. They have hired a Public Relations firm to restore their tattered image. But, maybe we should be worried that some coed won't get to go to a bowl game for the next couple of years. Yeah, that's the plight of some poor young student.How could we possibly take that away from them.? Sorry you did not get my point. There is a community that is living off of this instituion. Everyday people who had nothing to do with this cover up. Some of these people have businesses that need the increased traffic from game day to survive the entire year. Lets face it, football is a large part of this communities economy. Do these people deserve to have their small businesses ruined becuase of these maggots? Have their family businesses close becuase they could not weather 2-4 years of no football? You have to understand that the solution is not as simple as you make it appear to be. The people identifed by the grand jury for covering this up will be brought to justice and they will pay the price. The institution will pay restition to the victims. This MUST happen. Economic sanctions to the instituion is fine by me as well. Killing the football program will devestate this community. You just want it killed because its the most severe form of punishment. I understand that. Keep in mind, the BOD were not aware of this ( to our current knowledge). So far less than 10 people were part of this horrible cover up. 10 out of an entire community. Is this worth the devestation you are asking for? I think having these people behind bars is more important than going after a football program. If you were screaming at the top of your lungs to throw away the key after they lock them up, I would be 100% behind you. Make the decision makers accountable....... That is my point... An instituion comprised of thousands of people who had not clue this was going on will still be made liable for restitiuon in civil courts and settlements. I think that is punishment enough. I don't think YOU get the point. "less than 10 people" knew about this? Hogwash. A serial molester who was discovered on campus, at least 3 times, and only those people knew. I mean, this thing went from the Janitor, to the University President. How many people knew what was happening along the way. I mean the General Counsel for the University and the Second Mile knew and covered it up. This isn't an isolated incident. The entire Athletics program was either hired by the cover up artists, knew about the cover-up or participated in it. You keep trying to use economics to justify this, or poor students. So if you're a dry cleaner for some mob bosses, we shouldn't send them to jail because you will lose some cleaning revenue? That is a horrible argument. Sometimes you got to do the right thing, even though it hurts you or some of the people around you. We all know what that right thing is, shut em down, let em start from scratch and if they can build it again, with integrity and morals so be it. But don't even use money to justify what was done to those kids. Where did I justify what was done to those kids? That is a dispicable thing to accuse me of. I have repeatedly said they must be taken care of. The people involved in the cover up need to be prosecuted..... your dry cleaning analogy is stupid..... This is a community that was grown around an insitution. It depends on it to survive. Ask some of the small towns that had military bases close/reduced how it impacted their community. I guess colateral damage is great as long as it does not affect you. See the big picture.... Have some empathy for the people and community that were not involved which no matter how you look at it is more than 99.9% of PSU and College station.

So why did they just fire Tressel for not reporting a minor infraction and stop there ? But they then punished the whole OS football program for lack of institutional control did they not ? . This was caused by just three or four but they all are suffering for it . Besides this was an Institution cover-up . How much more out of control can you get ? Just saying . If a member of the team does something to affect their eligility the whole team pays. That is the deterent for trying to stop the kids from accepting gifts. Here these kids enrolled in a school thinking that there was no criminal activity going on. The facade was able to stay intact untitl the chrages were filed. I am not by any means defending these scum bags. The insitution will be paying for the poor leadership decisions of the president and his idiot subordenates. That is why the BOD fired him immediately. This information was swept under the rug by a select few with the power to do so. They will get their punishment in a court of law. PSU will get their punishment for hiring these scumbags to make these decisions in civil court. In my eyes all guilty parties will eventually pay for their transgressions and be held accountable. There is no need to give a death penalty to the fans that were not aware of this and to the players that chose to go there. Nobody in their right minds would say, I want to route for Child Molester U, and no recruit would commit to that. The NCAA's job is to protect the purity of the sports it oversees and to protect the amatuer status of its participants. While the university is entrenched in a horrific scenario, their punishment will be handled in the courts. this issue is indirectly associated with the football programs day to day operations. If you want to give them monetary sanctions, that is fine. To take this out on their fan base and student athletes would be a bad move. If you want them to not gain $ from bowl games, TV contracts for a few years, that is fine by me. I do not think there should be any bowl bans as this effects the people that are innocent in this case... the fans and players. Lets keep the punishement to those that should be accountable and leave the ones that had nothing to do with this out of it. Wow, just wow. The poor players who might have to transfer to a University that doesn't systemically harbor the lowest form of life.The poor fans who might not get to go to a bowl game during their college years, How horrible. What about the terrified 10 year old boys who were pinned in the showers, basements and hotel rooms sanctioned by the Pennsylvania State University. What about the fact that their lives were ruined and that they will never have normalcy again. Those lives ended the day Jerry Sandusky found them. Now as horrific as that crime is, it pales in comparison to what comes next. When the boys reported the abuse, they weren't believed because, how could this hallowed man from such a prestigious University be capable of such despicable horror? Not only that, but he was able to form a boys charity because of his position in that hallowed institution. The charity where he carefully selected victims from troubled homes that were prime for his debauchery. Yes Jerry Sandusky was a sick and depraved man. But you know what? Jerry Sandusky doesn't get the bulk of my ire. That is reserved for an institution and the staff that knew what Jerry was and what he was doing and hid it from public view. If ever there was a culture of corruption it existed at PSU. And for what gain. To protect their hallowed football program. Now, a university that knows the pain and suffering it has caused and holds itself to any kind of moral compass, immediately shuts down the football program and put's independent monitors in every other sport to insure the safety of their students. They bring investigators in, but probably should suspend all athletics in the interim. They wait for the result of the report from the investigators(due in Aug). In the meantime they do everything necessary to further protect young lives. What did Penn State do? 1) 1998 Penn State university Police 1st interview Sandusky victim. No charges filed. 2) 1999 Sandusky allowed to retire - but retain full access to PSU 3) 2000- Janitor at PSU reports to supervisor that JS was having oral sex with young boy. Another Janitor witnessed JS leaving shower holding hands with the boy. 4) 2002- GA at PSU reports to Paterno that JS was having anal sex with 10-year old boy 5) By now the AD, JoePA, Univ VP and Pres all know what happened and the begin the coverup 6) General Counsel of The Second Mile and PSU has known about JS allegations since 1998, Sandusky is still allowed access to the University, it's FB games which he was using to lure victims and the freaking shower facilities, until when? 2011. 7) November 2011, victim goes public, Sandusky is charged. Paterno offers to retire after end of season. 8) Press tries to destroy the credibility of the GA who reported Sandusky 9) firestorm erupts and BOT fires everyone after huge public condemnation Now we know PSU attempted to save the legacy of their venerated FB coach who was likely orchestrating the coverup from the beginning. There is obviously a culture at PSU which will value football above children, human life and the law. They have hired a Public Relations firm to restore their tattered image. But, maybe we should be worried that some coed won't get to go to a bowl game for the next couple of years. Yeah, that's the plight of some poor young student.How could we possibly take that away from them.? Sorry you did not get my point. There is a community that is living off of this instituion. Everyday people who had nothing to do with this cover up. Some of these people have businesses that need the increased traffic from game day to survive the entire year. Lets face it, football is a large part of this communities economy. Do these people deserve to have their small businesses ruined becuase of these maggots? Have their family businesses close becuase they could not weather 2-4 years of no football? You have to understand that the solution is not as simple as you make it appear to be. The people identifed by the grand jury for covering this up will be brought to justice and they will pay the price. The institution will pay restitution to the victims. This MUST happen. Economic sanctions to the instituion is fine by me as well. Killing the football program will devestate this community. You just want it killed because its the most severe form of punishment. I understand that. Keep in mind, the BOD were not aware of this ( to our current knowledge). So far less than 10 people were part of this horrible cover up. 10 out of an entire community. Is this worth the devestation you are asking for? I think having these people behind bars is more important than going after a football program. If you were screaming at the top of your lungs to throw away the key after they lock them up, I would be 100% behind you. Make the decision makers accountable....... That is my point... An instituion comprised of thousands of people who had not clue this was going on will still be made liable for restitiuon in civil courts and settlements. I think that is punishment enough.

So why did they just fire Tressel for not reporting a minor infraction and stop there ? But they then punished the whole OS football program for lack of institutional control did they not ? . This was caused by just three or four but they all are suffering for it . Besides this was an Institution cover-up . How much more out of control can you get ? Just saying . If a member of the team does something to affect their eligility the whole team pays. That is the deterent for trying to stop the kids from accepting gifts. Here these kids enrolled in a school thinking that there was no criminal activity going on. The facade was able to stay intact untitl the chrages were filed. I am not by any means defending these scum bags. The insitution will be paying for the poor leadership decisions of the president and his idiot subordenates. That is why the BOD fired him immediately. This information was swept under the rug by a select few with the power to do so. They will get their punishment in a court of law. PSU will get their punishment for hiring these scumbags to make these decisions in civil court. In my eyes all guilty parties will eventually pay for their transgressions and be held accountable. There is no need to give a death penalty to the fans that were not aware of this and to the players that chose to go there. Nobody in their right minds would say, I want to route for Child Molester U, and no recruit would commit to that. The NCAA's job is to protect the purity of the sports it oversees and to protect the amatuer status of its participants. While the university is entrenched in a horrific scenario, their punishment will be handled in the courts. this issue is indirectly associated with the football programs day to day operations. If you want to give them monetary sanctions, that is fine. To take this out on their fan base and student athletes would be a bad move. If you want them to not gain $ from bowl games, TV contracts for a few years, that is fine by me. I do not think there should be any bowl bans as this effects the people that are innocent in this case... the fans and players. Lets keep the punishement to those that should be accountable and leave the ones that had nothing to do with this out of it.

Why punish the current student athletes for the wrong doings of morally corrupt leaders? This is the only reason why I am against shutting it down. If i am SMU, though, I am watching this outcome very closely. The NCAA made them the poster child forcorruption for a minor scandal in comparisson. Yes they were cheating, but they were not committing felonies and covering up for a deviant criminal. If PSU is not given a DP SMU should file a lawsuit against the NCAA for damages and lost revenue. I feel there is not other choice here. Its DP or the clostest thing they can get. The only other arguement I can think of, is these aholes are going to go to jail so why punish the entire institution for the acts of 5 people? I don't by that arguement as much as the first one.