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3 hours ago, Mission9 said:

Interesting response. So, we will overlook the fact the "p" designation was not a thing yet and the talking heads fell all over themselves to trash the Big East. Also the fact USF had only been in said Big East a handful of seasons. My question is, if USF had built a stadium, who would we have beat out?

Lol.  "P" was not a thing yet.  Ok, we can pretend the Big East was not a power conference.  Whatever.

1 hour ago, Mission9 said:

Even earlier before the birth of this thread, there were some discussions here alluding to the possibility of 4 - 16 team conferences.  I did find it odd and naive that some of our fans thought USF would be a shoe in for that.  If you look at all of the moves, almost all of the schools have either been in big time conferences before or had name brands which the average fan has known for years.  The only exception is that group of miscreants to the east which will remain unnamed. 

Before the birth of this thread our football program was in a P5 conference and there were discussions of an OCS.

1 hour ago, Bull Matrix said:

 

I’m trying to share as I find. Hopefully these are just rumors 

But the ACC didn't meet.

4 hours ago, Bull Matrix said:

Now we know why we were not invited to the Big 12.  Either the B10 or SEC wants to invite us soon.

6 minutes ago, Bull Gooner said:

If we can't believe Cayden's Dad and DudeBro, then who can we believe in this topsy-turvy world?

For the lifer of this thread and possibly longer, I have been given life by the misinformation posted by MHVver3 and the great Greg Swaim.  This summer I have added OSbeaver23 or something or another.  If I can follow someone from the MWC, I believe I will have a well rounded view of all unfounded rumors.

15 hours ago, Rocky Style said:

Yes Disney is rumored to be fire saleing all of their failing businesses.

Fascinating side conversation here about "failing business".  ESPN is still making boatloads of money.  Their problem is they are running out of ways to *grow* the business, so that impacts stock prices.  Investors don't like companies that merely are profitable.  There is something fundamentally wrong with some of our economic models.

They also have to transition from assuming linear and streaming services will carry the networks and pay them X money per subscriber.  If they stream on their own they need to charge more to make up for those paying that don't use the network.  While challenging, that is hardly insurmountable and they will figure that out.

In all, they really just need to figure out the international market gold mine to allow for future growth and investors will be happy again.

4 hours ago, WoolyBully said:

It depends on where you're sitting. If you're in the academics & research business, AAU matters more. If you're in the athletic program business, football relevance matters more. The two are indeed at opposite ends of the spectrum, but we have to define what constitutes 'better'. If you - as a university - could have but one distinction, which would you choose? Would you rather cool your jets with the likes of MIT, Yale, and Vanderbilt or Alabama, Texas and Oklahoma? Our good friends at Ohio State and University of Southern California have demonstrated how to achieve both football success and academic success. If we throw Duke in there it would be basketball success as well. But it's not a very good argument to state - blanket wise - that one is necessarily better than the other. 

If you are a university, you are in the academics and research business.  If you are a pro athletic team you are in the athletics business.

My degree is worth far more with the former than the latter.

Arguing athletics is more important to a university than academics is like saying the Bucs need to apply for AAU status.

17 hours ago, I like GOOOOLD (and green) said:

There is no iteration of a future PAC that would double the revenue of the current aac.  The aac deal will be averaging about 10m/season by the time the MWC deal ends in a couple years.  That has stability and ny6/bball credits with solid linear coverage in an established league that is already ‘best of the rest’.  

People keep assuming things that don’t exist will magically be there because -what? The PAC name? Who here honestly thinks any media partner is opening their checkbook to create essentially a new conference with cal and Stanford as the headliners?

The aac is the best spot for us today and tomorrow on all fronts.  If the acc decides to expand with significant shares then get back to me.  Leaving the aac to join western castoffs is accelerating death.

The new 12 would have a better team strength factors than last year's ACC.  So, yeah, there are some dollars there to be had and it would be a step up.  

Facts matter.

2 hours ago, 00Bull said:

True. I would have thought they’d be all about dropping some renderings to create some more buzz right/positive PR now (albeit completely manufactured). Makes you wonder.

The decision makers have seen renderings, no doubt.

5 hours ago, I like GOOOOLD (and green) said:

That ‘conference’ doesn’t have a tv deal.  Even if it did it would be on Apple for pennies which I’m not interested in at all.  I like where we are which has tourney credits and NY6 and future playoff spot.  They can come to us and we’d probably make more.  Stanford has zero leverage other than going independent.. if they wanted to do that they’d do that out the gate.  Letting them drive the bus is stupid, they are inept despite their name/brand/aau status whatever.

This would be a better conference then what would be left of the AAC, period.  A road exists to the playoffs.  Also likely would double TV revenue.  You have to take it.  Would not be wise to stay behind in a conference that would move down in the pecking order, because other schools would jump.

6 hours ago, DontPushMe said:

It does because 99% of the people watching college sports don't follow it on message boards like this and know or care about tv payouts. 

The point of all of this is getting a universitys recognition up and increasing exposure and prestige. Dropping down to the AAC is so far beneath a school like Stanford. 

USF is the only school dumb enough to let ourselves be lowered from a power conference to the old sun belt. 

Yes, obviously.  We should have just said "No, we refuse to let the Big East be taken apart" and everything would have magically worked out.  And we were not alone when that happened.

8 hours ago, BullyPulpit said:

If there was an Apple contract and it was streaming only, I would hope that the league and Apple got together and offered some revolutionary content. Something like having the coaches mic'd up the entire game or a sideline feed where you can see what's going on. It could be on a 30 second delay and each school could have a representative that has the authority to dump audio to protect play calls and such. 

They have done interesting things for MLB and MLS.  Some good, some bad.  But they are not afraid to experiment.

18 hours ago, Bullrush33 said:

Are there 8 teams worth taking? I don’t see it. 

For Apple, 8 teams in the east and 8 in the west gives you an entire day/night of football each Saturday.  I don't know.what happens, but it has reasons why it would work.

2 hours ago, bull2saintleo said:

Honestly the more I think about it, a 9 team PAC-AAC for 2024 would make more sense for football scheduling.  Finding a 5th OOC game on short notice (without it being an FCS school) would be challenging.  Most teams likely have 4 OOC's already scheduled so a 9 team conference with 8 conference games would be a plus.

You could always have a home and home with the closest conference mate.  It is unusual but not against any rule I am aware of.  I believe it has been done a few times in similar situations.

@os_beaver and @mhver3 need to pick up the pace of rumors if we are going to hit 4000 pages this week.  They are really slacking today.

1 minute ago, ThePuddingMan said:

He just makes stuff up. Tomorrow he will post that the deal fell apart. 

That is the beauty of rumors.  You never know until you know.  That is why this thread is not titled "Conference Realignment Facts".

7 minutes ago, DontPushMe said:

Hope that doesn't happen. That's way too much dross. We need to use this opportunity to cut ties with the mistakes aresco made. 

 

Should be pac 4 + memphis, usf, smu, tulane, then whatever the 4 best mwc schools are. 

 

Cannot drag Fau, North Texas, utsa etc with us. 

 

If we insist on being in a conference we have to do better than this. 

 

I also highly doubt Stanford or cal go along with this deal. They would lower themselves massively to be associated with any aac member. Maybe they could be OK with us tulane and rice academically but for sports not at all. They'll sooner just go independent if this is their best option.  Most likely to me is cal and Stanford end up in B12 or big. Wsu and osu join the mwc and we trudge along in this turd aac

Need 11 schools to dissolve the AAC.  

8 minutes ago, 79 Bull said:

But without those 3 we cannot vote to dissolve the AAC.

And UConn isn't joining either.  Would not be good for their basketball program.  But as long as we are dreaming...

2 minutes ago, 79 Bull said:

Yep.  Looks like those 4 are getting kicked to the curb which only represents 3 votes so 11 votes can dissolve the AAC.  I'd rather have SMU replace CSU and add UConn to the East.

 

If we could get UConn for all sports, I'd kick out FAU, ECU or UAB in a heartbeat.

4 minutes ago, Bull Matrix said:

Nice Beaver!!!

If this is what happens, its an upgrade for us.  TV not only is an improved group of schools, but has games in every time zone.  More attractive for someone, even if it is AppleTV.

I have to say, all these years later and different social media apps, and half of what I read is either coming from MHVer and Greg Swaim.  A disturbing kind of deja vu.

Every list I have seen is some variation of this top 5:

USF
Tulane
SMU
Rice
Memphis

31 minutes ago, hm101 said:

 

https://knightnewhousedata.org/fbs#!quicktabs-tab-division_conferences_and_institu-1

 

Yes I am sure

When stripping out conference distribution AKA equalizing us as programs sustaining ourselves without the Pac 12 teet then yes. Our revenue is higher than both those programs. 

Yes!  You tell 'em!  Strip out the $300B Elon Musk has in assets and I made more money than he did last year!

5 minutes ago, Triple B said:

Never seen the show either but have seen enough of Ted Lasso to last a lifetime ….

You can never see enough Roy Kent.

19 minutes ago, Bullrush33 said:

Are there 8 teams worth taking? I don’t see it. 

It is easy to get to 6 or 7.  I can see a couple of reasons to bring in 8.

1. More teams means more stability.

2. Seems like it will be tough to pull other west schools for 2024, easier in 2025.  So you add 8 AAC schools now, bonus if you can dissolve the AAC at the same time.  But then you turn around in 2025 and add four more schools in the west and scheduling becomes much easier and much less expensive.  For example, for football you schedule 7 games in your division (east or west).  You get some cool cross country matchups, but not brutal.  Then with the non-football sports you do the same and save a ton on travel fees.