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The two chop block calls were both just awful calls by the refs and killed two drives. Not a discipline issue in this particular case. First one was a perfectly legal cut block in the tackle box by Mayes (LT). He came from in front of the player not behind. Second one, Norman (RT) fell over blocking the LE and Atterbury (RG) blocking the DT pushed him over Norman. Norman did not try to block the DT he was just laying on the ground. 

31 minutes ago, Bull94 said:

our Rbs have caught 6 passes combined this year. 1 per game. BTW that's as many as his RBs caught all year long at texas last year. It's not in his playbook.

Our TEs 15 total.

1 TD between all 4 of them

I'm sure you hope he opens up the offense just as i hope he does too. I just hope we know how to run those plays when the bullets are flying against better competition seeing as how he is holding back so as to not tip any opponents off on our tricky screen passes to RBs in the flats or TE crosses or off tackle runs. I'm sure the defenses will be caught off guard on those tricky plays!

BTW the offense we ran last year opened everything up including runs between the tackles and we even did it from week 1 on. Nobody stopped us.

I am actually hoping he doesn't open the offense, because that means we are winning easily and don't need to. I come to football games to watch us win, not to watch us be flashy. I am confident he will open up the offense if we need to in order to win a football game. I don't think he's purposefully hiding his plays like some nefarious super villain.  But I do think he is being prudent and not using plays he doesn't need to. We have not trailed for a single minute of conference play, hence no need. 

Guess what last year we had better playmakers (Mack and Adams), we had a total of about 5 different play calls, and there was nothing to gameplan. Our offense last year was great, but last time we checked we didn't win all of our games last year, so matter how good our offense was it, it wasn't enough. I'd blame the defense (and specifically Woodie), but its a team game and we still lost which we haven't done yet this year. 

Oh and last year our TE's caught 20 passes all season, so we are actually on pace to beat that. 

We can argue back and forth as much as want. I will go ahead and say I am wrong as soon as we run the ball up the middle 40 times a game and lose. 

37 minutes ago, Bull94 said:

yes it does help you win those games. you honestly don't think practicing plays help you improve? it's why teams play 1-aa cupcakes to start the season. to iron out the kinks.

how many teams had tape on our offense last year? were they able to stop it?

it's baffling to me that people think we are holding back so teams have nothing on tape. I guess running outside the tackles would be to much info on tape? maybe a RB screen? or a TE slant? just too much to put on tape??

this is our offense.

sure maybe he hasn't felt desperation mode where we have to chuck it 45 times but this is essentially our offense.

let's just hope we can execute a bunch of plays we haven't run all year when the time comes.

 

BTW if we keep settling for FGs early in games it will come back to bite us. Especially against UCF

its baffling to me that people think our entire offense is only running the ball up the middle and can't see how that is used to setup a whole tree of other plays off of that. Y'all act like you haven't seen us run a single other play. We have run bubble screens, wr screens, PA to Te, PA throwback to the RB.  We have not needed to run these other plays in bulk against any team we have played to date, its that simple. We practice those other plays in practice all the time. We have not been able to execute to our fullest two simple plays. Run up the middle and PA deep ball. If we can get REALLY good at those two things then we can open up the offense.

I think you will see the offense open up much more as we face stiffer competition the next few weeks. Then all of you can come on here and get on your stump about how Gilbert should have been doing this all along and about time he is finally listening to the fans because we are so smart and know football better than coaches. When in reality he is being wise and keeping his cards close to his vest. And that is what is going to make opening up the offense that much more effective when we need it.

13 hours ago, Bull94 said:

a tune up game is one in which you fine tune the offense by running all your plays.

I don't buy this theory that he is just holding back.

we trucked illinois because the middle of their defense was trash. we averaged like 7 ypc against them. they couldn't stop the runs up the middle.

 

how creative was the offense when we averaged 1.9 ypc against Stoney brook and were tied going into the 4th quarter?

 

your goal should not be to kick field goals when getting into the red zone. points are not points in a close game and having to kick field goals will cost us. google "settling for field goals" and tell me how many links are to a positive article about an offense running well.

 

nothing says that you can';t win games 11 and 12 if you score 75 points a game.

Nothing says you can't, but it doesn't help you win those other games. Especially if those better teams now have tape on your best plays and know how to key whether you are running up the middle or going play action pass. 

12 hours ago, DELdaBull said:

The creativity is not there. When we rush to the line we are guaranteed to run between the guards. Everyone and their grandma knows this by now. Can we rush to the line and throw in a play action pass one time. Get a bubble screen once or twice. The bubble screen fake and throw over the top? This is a pee wee offense so far. 

That is exactly the point we want "teams to know we are guaranteed to run between the guards". That is what makes the play action and bubble screens effective when we run them later. The more we show that now the less other teams will respect the run and the less effective those other plays will be.

1 hour ago, Bull94 said:

Last year we scored a TD 70% of the time in the red zone. This year just above 50%. The stat you give is misleading unless of course you are ok with FGs instead of TDs.

mack and Adams were explosive for sure. That matters on long TDs though. not so much when the field gets compressed. RBs in the flat and TEs are very effective on a short field. we had 10 TD passes to our two TEs and DJ and Tice combined last year. we have seen almost none of that this year. One pass play to DJ for a TD after the paper flat out asked him why he doesn't call pass plays to RBs. That's it.

 

the guy isn't creative and he doesn't use all of his weapons.

I hate to use NFL but NE is an effective offense because they spread the ball around and keep a defense guessing. Same with NO

That stat he gave is a fact, its called Red Zone efficiency and there is something to be said for scoring at least a fg when you get in the red zone. Points are points. And he even admitted that comparing TD % was a lower rate. 

Gilbert is creative when he needs to be, he just hasn't had to be. Against Illinois we saw some of the red zone play calling that we all want, like a pass to DJ. The fact of the matter is that our current schedule is all just tune up games. We can practice things like running up the middle with a stacked box to impose our will. And guess what the better we are at running it up the middle the more effective all those other creative play calls will be. 

If we ever have a game close to being on the line this season you will see a lot of Q walking into the endzone or PA pass to TE, because the other team is so keyed on us running up the middle. Until then keep running the **** ball. 

As far as mediocrity, it hard to get your players to play their hardest when they know the other team sucks and we are winning by 30 without executing, but that's why the coaches get paid. It seems like the coaches are right on the players about making sure we don't relax too much. 

Pretty confident our team will raise their level of play if we need to, until then just keep winning by 30. Its a marathon not a sprint. If we won our first 10 games by 75 pts it wouldn't mean anything if we lose the 11th or 12th. Stay healthy practice your staple plays, setup other plays off of those, and finish strong with your A game when you need it. 

5 hours ago, Triple B said:

That may be true for a lot of other schools but there are 10's of 1,000's of examples that indicate that's not true for most choosing USF ....

Yup and those are the same 10's of 1000's that aren't supporting our football program. I love USF and our academic reputation has certainly grown since 2005 when I enrolled, but back then it was academically a backup school for those who wanted to go to UF and FSU. I would rather have an enrollment of 1000 who bleed green and gold for everything academic and athletic, than the 40,000 we currently have because 90% of them don't give a **** about USF academically or athletically and just want a degree. 

12 hours ago, NCBull said:

Agree that college is about a lot more than academics.  But academics steers the ship and always should.  Read your university's mission statement and it's plain as day.  Athletics are fantastic, no doubt; but academics is the core of any university, for good reason.

Academics may steer the ship, but athletics is what puts wind in the sails. A degree is a degree can go get one from anywhere, people choose to go to schools off of "culture and fit" and a large part of that is athletics.

Slight update to the ticket offer for Cinci. Looks like we are selling well in section 126 and have added section 134 (East side 40 yard line) for $30 for alumni as well.

Here are some nice stats about USF from http://www.ncaa.com/stats/football/fbs/current/team. 

I know I know we haven't played anybody, but still nice to see. And this is what you are meant to do against bad competition.

Top 20 in both total offense and total defense.

Top 5 in both rush offense and rush defense.

Top 10 in scoring offense. 

#1 in passes intercepted with 14 ints. 2nd place only has 9.

#3 in pass efficiency defense. 

Tied #22 in sacks. 

#2 in turnover margin. #1 is UCF.....based on average per game....stupid sands fumble...

Most important is tied for first in win percentage!

15 hours ago, SoFlo All Day said:

A couple of penalties and 4th down plays and the game would have been 61-17. Gotta cut those down.

A couple of penalties and 4th down plays and the score would have been 61-3. 1st td was after roughing the punter. 2nd TD was after their miracle 4th and 10 conversion, where Qb was almost sacked by Reaves and then Hoggins missed twice on the wr. 3rd Td was right before the half (really only 3rd down but seemed like 4th because of awful clock management by ECU) and that joke of a play was pure luck as we had guys in position. And their 4th TD was the QB dive over the line on 4th and 1. 

45 minutes ago, Rocky Style said:

Here's a scary thought:  What if no matter how cheap you make the tickets, 20-25k show up.  What if you couldn't give away a Thursday night ticket against Temple?

This is exactly my fear. I think we could have made every seat free on Thursday night and still not drawn 30k. 

Let's be honest. We can nitpick certain prices of different sections but it's not making the extreme difference we are looking for. Maybe optimising prices and marketing helps us draw an extra 5-10%. The real issue is people just don't want to go to games and will find whatever excuse they want.

22 hours ago, USFBulls727 said:

Surprised to hear this. Dude seemed pretty good, despite looking like a cross between John Riggins and Richard Simmons.

Their fans seem pretty surprised and pissed about it to. But new offensive scheme leaves him off the field for the most part.

5 minutes ago, Gatorbull325 said:

I’m still pissed off by how they punched us in the face last year. I wish that fullback they had was still there too. He was the heart of that victory. But at least we still get a change to get that running back who ran all over us. Anyways, I’m glad I don’t have to wait until Friday for this game. Temple definitely is one of our top rivals. Even the year we beat them, they went to the title game instead of us.

The fullback is still there. They just don't use him anymore. 

15 hours ago, Bull Daly said:

You may think this is crazy but I think the Stony Brook game may help USF prepare against Temple. They are both smash mouth football teams and USF already saw it this season and almost lost. Hopefully they dont fall behind against Temple 

Temple is not the same team as last year. I mean that from a talent perspective as well as team philosophy/game plan. On offense they are running a lot more spread 4 wrs with RPO, speed option, etc. QB looks fairly mobile as well, but not that accurate on the pass. They probably only ran their usual I-formation off tackle power run about 5 times against UMass. 

On defense they seem to be running a very undersized 3-4. Blitzes coming from everywhere, could confuse us, but if given time Q will pick their secondary apart. They looked awful against UMass and should have lost that game. UMass dropped 3 easy tds, settled for fgs, and missed all 3. 

Maybe Temple is just trying to put some different things on tape and will revert back to power run ball control offense, but it doesn't seem like it.

2 hours ago, Bulls Are We said:

Audibles.  I'm talking about the play getting changed at the line AFTER the original gets called in from the sidelines.  You can't look at the sidelines for the original play, line up, read the defense, look back to the sideline, change play and/or formation and snap the ball all in 8 seconds, but whatever...

There is no need to call an audible when you are calling the play after the defense has lined up. Which is the whole point of an audible.

7 minutes ago, Bulls Are We said:

I'm aware, thanks.  Difficult for the sideline to call any audibles when we are trying to snap the ball in 6-8 seconds.  xCWT would routinely change the play pre-snap based on what look the defense was giving. I don't see that happening much with this new offense.  

What are you talking about? We do pretty much the exact same thing EVERY play. Setup in a formation, see what look the defense gives us, then look over to the sideline for a playcall. 

19 minutes ago, Bausfkid said:

Move Championship to 12/9.

And if Navy is in the championship do they cancel the Army Navy game? Also would delay the bowl selection process until then which is what they were worried about with Navy last year, so doubt ESPN would go for it.

Don't mean to keep ******** on your ideas, but like was said earlier it is a complicated process. 

2 minutes ago, Bourbon Bull said:

So a hurricane comes through Tampa and we cancel a game in Conn which possibly could have been played and Cinci suffers?  Don't see that happening.

I was not in favor of cancelling the game originally or saying that this rescheduling is fair. But simply by math/logic this is the easiest way for the league as a whole to reschedule. I imagine it will come down to how much power/sway the league has with it's individual member schools. 

My guess is Cinci/others say no for exactly the reasoning you describe.

See how much "help" they get from the refs (at the direction of the league office) during their conference games during the season though. /endsarcasmfont 

34 minutes ago, Bausfkid said:

If needed, how about just add it the weekend of Army / Navy

Because that is after the conference championship game.

1 hour ago, NewEnglandBull said:

Once you said 6 other conference games have to be moved it is a non starter. 

I hear you, but that is as small of a number I could get it to without cancelling games. Joey Knight and UCONN AD both say that AAC is trying to reschedule. Unless they are planning on having someone play twice in 1 week this is the least painful way. Cinci is really the only neutral party who would have anything to complain about as they would have to move two home games and not really get anything out of it.

Memphis, USF, UCF, and UCONN all get a game back so they can't complain. 

Temple only has to flip two road games and move their bye week up. No impact to their home schedule (revenue) so they can't really complain.

1 hour ago, Bullrush33 said:

I think its going to be alot easier llike USF dropping the UMASS game and then going from there.

If USF drops UMASS and and Memphis drops Southern Illinois then it only takes moving three AAC conference games. But that is a lot of lost revenue and I assume cancellation fees with both of those schools.

Memphis @ UCONN Move from Oct 6th to Sep 23rd.

Cinci @ USF Move from Oct 28th to Oct 14th.

UCF @ Cinci Move from Oct 7th to Oct 28th.

Memphis @ UCF and USF @ UCONN both played Oct 7th. 

I have come up with a possible schedule that allows the two previously cancelled American Athletic Conference games, due to Hurricane Irma, to be played. This solution only moves 6 other conference games. The one aspect I do not have insight into would be TV and venue logistics, but believe they could most likely be worked out by playing games Thursday-Saturday as needed.

USF @ UConn made up week of September 23rd (possible Thursday night 9/21)
Temple @ USF moved to week of November 11th (possible Friday night game 11/10)
Temple @ Cincinnati moved to week of October 28th
Cincinnati @ USF moved to week of November 25th (possible Friday game 11/24)
USF @ UCF moved to week of October 28th
Memphis @ UCF made up week of November 11th (possible Friday night game 11/10)
UCONN @ UCF moved to week of November 25th (possible Friday game 11/24)
Cincinnati @ UCONN moved to week of November 11th (possible Friday night game 11/10)

Sounds like all HS football teams are invited for free, and all first responders (and family) will be free as well based on CCS comments during presser. More details are supposed to follow.

Anyone going to be in San Fran instead of San Jose on Friday night?