thebouncer1898

How about you rank them by fans who actually graduated from those schools?

Let's say, for the sake of argument, that we could make $2mil more per year by having the football games at an OCS. Now you need to build a $200mil stadium. Unless someone plunks down a $200mil check, it would take about 300 years to recoup your investment.

DataBull...You're still like a computer...garbage in, gargage out...

The parking alone would generate millions in revenue. Hell, I had to pay $20 to park in a Garage H that seemed like it was a mile from the aluminum wok they call a stadium at UCF.

Then there is all the income from concessions and ancillary revenues.

You were had...parking was free at UCF!

And....Then there are all the operating, and maintenance expenses incurred for a stadium that will sit idle most of the year.

No, it ain't. I have a printed ticket from the University.

So, you're out of the closet ..Knight Fan!!

Nope...I used to be a Bulls Fan, but no longer.

Why? Cause Missou jumped into the SEC? You would love a winner.

I cannot be the only one that rolls their eyes whenever I hear how great it is to have "NFL amenities" at a college football game.

... or am I?

You can go sit in ****** aluminum bleachers and pisss in a trough.

I'll take the huge TV screens, vast amount of food and drink choices, great seats and easy access in and out of the stadium.

There's a reason its one of the top NFL stadiums....It is definately good enough for a mediocre program that is all of 16 years old.

Yes, RayJay is the Applebee's of NFL stadiums.

Not sure I get your logic.

I know you don't. How many OC college football stadiums have you attended games at?

Ben Hill Griffin, Doak Campbell. Jordan Hare, Rutgers, Carter-Finley, Papa Johns Cardinal Stadium, Notre Dame, Williams-Brice, Vaught-Hemmingway, and Bobby Dodd. Do you want the off-campus stadiums and the bowl games attended too?

How about you?

The fact that BJ does not always plant his feet drives me nuts. His throws would be so much better. I was impressed w/ EJ Manuel

His fundamentals haven't changed since the day he walked onto campus. Soooo frustrating.

Coaching is big part of this problem

Agreed to an extent. BJ has gotten better at certain things, but he does a lot of the same bonehead mistakes. I feel like he isn't as good as we all hoped/anticipated for which leads to the constant frustration.

USF runs a spread option read offense, that seems like it's been utilized for Daniels. It seems like BJ has about 10-15 runs per game, sometimes more. That's different from what FSU does with Manuel. And you really don't think FSU game planned around BJ's ineffectiveness in the passing game? FSU took away the long pass from BJ (he tried to force it into deep coverage numerous times) and gave up anything short and tackled that well. The plan was to not get beat deep and we didn't. Early in the game FSU had to respect the fact BJ could pull back the read and run. This resulted in the RB being able to get some yards when actually receiving the ball (not a result of a good USF run game rather DLine waiting to attack runner). Once FSU had the lead and BJ had to throw to stay in the game, FSU pinned its ears back and stuffed USF's run and pressured Daniels like crazy, that's why he as throwing the ball away so much at the end. USF could have moved the ball vs. FSU if BJ would have just been able to hit the 5-10 yard passes consistently, FSU was giving him that all game. But BJ couldn't like he hasn't been able to his entire career and thus USF didn't take advantage

we averaged 5.5 ypc in first quarter. 82 yards on 15 carries. we chewed up almost 11 minutes of the quarter.

our genius OC calls 9 pass plays and 1 run in 2nd quarter.

our OC once again went away from it.

FSU loaded up the box. IF Fitch tried to keep running against that, he would have been hammered for not throwing the ball.

really? was the box loaded mysteriously at the end of 1st quarter? Murray had a 6 yard run right before 2nd quarter started. he didn't even try to run at all in 2nd quarter even though we had the ball at their 49. does georgia tech stop running when 8 go in the box? oh and BTW one of the coaches said they didn't even do that until after the half.your buddy Fitch is using it as an excuse. make them prove they can stop it. they didn't. we stopped ourselves.

you have an awful lot of excuses just like the coaches.

we had 3 runs to start 3rd quarter in which we scored a TD. I guess box wasn't loaded then.

I couldn't pick Fitch out of a line up...sorry Bud.

And for the beginning of the 3rd quarter, didn't that drive start down near the goal line? Passing inside of the redzone, much less the 10 yard line is pretty difficult.

passing is difficult but running isn't?? yikes . talk about a box being loaded.

tell me how they defended the deep ball as your fsu buddy suggests and also stacked the box when we go 4 and 5 wide?? tell me how that works?

our coaches gave up on the run at a critical time in the game. we averaged over 5.5 ypc in first quarter and we ran 1 out of 10 times in 2nd quarter.

Fitch gives up on the run. that's why we have a QB that is a better runner than passer average 2.8 passes for every run.

Thanks for making me feel so well-known and liked....didn't realize I have so many friends out there.

And, if you watch the replay they stacked the box and played man on the outsides. FSU has better athletes than USF and they trusted their corners to cover 1 on 1 on the deep plays.

I cannot be the only one that rolls their eyes whenever I hear how great it is to have "NFL amenities" at a college football game.

... or am I?

You can go sit in ****** aluminum bleachers and pisss in a trough.

I'll take the huge TV screens, vast amount of food and drink choices, great seats and easy access in and out of the stadium.

There's a reason its one of the top NFL stadiums....It is definately good enough for a mediocre program that is all of 16 years old.

Yes, RayJay is the Applebee's of NFL stadiums.

Not sure I get your logic.

The fact that BJ does not always plant his feet drives me nuts. His throws would be so much better. I was impressed w/ EJ Manuel

His fundamentals haven't changed since the day he walked onto campus. Soooo frustrating.

USF runs a spread option read offense, that seems like it's been utilized for Daniels. It seems like BJ has about 10-15 runs per game, sometimes more. That's different from what FSU does with Manuel. And you really don't think FSU game planned around BJ's ineffectiveness in the passing game? FSU took away the long pass from BJ (he tried to force it into deep coverage numerous times) and gave up anything short and tackled that well. The plan was to not get beat deep and we didn't. Early in the game FSU had to respect the fact BJ could pull back the read and run. This resulted in the RB being able to get some yards when actually receiving the ball (not a result of a good USF run game rather DLine waiting to attack runner). Once FSU had the lead and BJ had to throw to stay in the game, FSU pinned its ears back and stuffed USF's run and pressured Daniels like crazy, that's why he as throwing the ball away so much at the end. USF could have moved the ball vs. FSU if BJ would have just been able to hit the 5-10 yard passes consistently, FSU was giving him that all game. But BJ couldn't like he hasn't been able to his entire career and thus USF didn't take advantage

we averaged 5.5 ypc in first quarter. 82 yards on 15 carries. we chewed up almost 11 minutes of the quarter.

our genius OC calls 9 pass plays and 1 run in 2nd quarter.

our OC once again went away from it.

FSU loaded up the box. IF Fitch tried to keep running against that, he would have been hammered for not throwing the ball.

really? was the box loaded mysteriously at the end of 1st quarter? Murray had a 6 yard run right before 2nd quarter started. he didn't even try to run at all in 2nd quarter even though we had the ball at their 49. does georgia tech stop running when 8 go in the box? oh and BTW one of the coaches said they didn't even do that until after the half.your buddy Fitch is using it as an excuse. make them prove they can stop it. they didn't. we stopped ourselves.

you have an awful lot of excuses just like the coaches.

we had 3 runs to start 3rd quarter in which we scored a TD. I guess box wasn't loaded then.

I couldn't pick Fitch out of a line up...sorry Bud.

And for the beginning of the 3rd quarter, didn't that drive start down near the goal line? Passing inside of the redzone, much less the 10 yard line is pretty difficult.

I cannot be the only one that rolls their eyes whenever I hear how great it is to have "NFL amenities" at a college football game.

... or am I?

You can go sit in ****** aluminum bleachers and pisss in a trough.

I'll take the huge TV screens, vast amount of food and drink choices, great seats and easy access in and out of the stadium.

There's a reason its one of the top NFL stadiums....It is definately good enough for a mediocre program that is all of 16 years old.

USF runs a spread option read offense, that seems like it's been utilized for Daniels. It seems like BJ has about 10-15 runs per game, sometimes more. That's different from what FSU does with Manuel. And you really don't think FSU game planned around BJ's ineffectiveness in the passing game? FSU took away the long pass from BJ (he tried to force it into deep coverage numerous times) and gave up anything short and tackled that well. The plan was to not get beat deep and we didn't. Early in the game FSU had to respect the fact BJ could pull back the read and run. This resulted in the RB being able to get some yards when actually receiving the ball (not a result of a good USF run game rather DLine waiting to attack runner). Once FSU had the lead and BJ had to throw to stay in the game, FSU pinned its ears back and stuffed USF's run and pressured Daniels like crazy, that's why he as throwing the ball away so much at the end. USF could have moved the ball vs. FSU if BJ would have just been able to hit the 5-10 yard passes consistently, FSU was giving him that all game. But BJ couldn't like he hasn't been able to his entire career and thus USF didn't take advantage

we averaged 5.5 ypc in first quarter. 82 yards on 15 carries. we chewed up almost 11 minutes of the quarter.

our genius OC calls 9 pass plays and 1 run in 2nd quarter.

our OC once again went away from it.

FSU loaded up the box. IF Fitch tried to keep running against that, he would have been hammered for not throwing the ball.

Greg my point was popek plays tackle for 3the years. He looks out of place at guard. Williams is too green to be in there against those ends in that situation

So you'd Popek back out there for one series, while Edwards was catching his breath for a series? You'd move him to a position he hasn't regularly practiced since last season?

USF runs a spread option read offense, that seems like it's been utilized for Daniels. It seems like BJ has about 10-15 runs per game, sometimes more. That's different from what FSU does with Manuel. And you really don't think FSU game planned around BJ's ineffectiveness in the passing game? FSU took away the long pass from BJ (he tried to force it into deep coverage numerous times) and gave up anything short and tackled that well. The plan was to not get beat deep and we didn't. Early in the game FSU had to respect the fact BJ could pull back the read and run. This resulted in the RB being able to get some yards when actually receiving the ball (not a result of a good USF run game rather DLine waiting to attack runner). Once FSU had the lead and BJ had to throw to stay in the game, FSU pinned its ears back and stuffed USF's run and pressured Daniels like crazy, that's why he as throwing the ball away so much at the end. USF could have moved the ball vs. FSU if BJ would have just been able to hit the 5-10 yard passes consistently, FSU was giving him that all game. But BJ couldn't like he hasn't been able to his entire career and thus USF didn't take advantage

Get out of here with all that logic, bro. Put the green and gold tinted glasses on, drink the USF flavored kool-aid and edit your post and start balming Holtz, the lack of an OCS and the amount of FSU fans.

usf is not a successful program

one cannot justify building a stadium

Not until the donor base grows substantially. There are some crappy teams that have an OCS, but they have been playing football for more than 16 years.

Everything, and I mean absolutely EVERYTHING rubs me the wrong way about Skip Holtz. I was totally against Leavitt's ouster and the replacement of Leavitt with Mister Rogers was only going to lead to what has happened the last two years. MikeG is on the money, next year will be brutally ugly.

I think you bring up a good point with the "mister rogers". Looking at it now, I think USF made a similar mistake to what the Boston Red Sox did this year. They made a reactionary hire.

The Red Sox had a complete late season collapse last year, and Francona was scapegoated because he was too much of a "players coach" and allowed the clubhouse to get out of hand. So Red Sox management decides they need to fix this, but instead of hiring someone who can properly transition the culture of the clubhouse (or simply work with Francona to help fix things), they go with a complete polar opposite of Francona with Valentine (someone known for stirring the pot in a clubhouse), and just make a bad situation even worse.

I think USF did a similar thing. I think they were embarrassed by the Leavitt situation, and didn't want to take a chance on a possible "ticking time bomb" in the lockerroom again, but instead of finding a Leavitt-light who could transition the culture properly, they went complete polar opposite with Holtz. They went from over-the-top enthusiam and in-your-faceness, to quiet, safe and conservative.

That type of drastic culture shock can most certainly be a recipe for disaster. Especially when you things go south, and you have a team/fanbase use to winning, now looking at losing season(s).

Valentine lost his lockerroom (if he ever even had it) this season, and I'd highly highly surprised if he is back next year. I wouldn't say Holtz has lost this lockerroom, but I do fear we are tettering close to that point, and that he has likely lost a good portion of the fanbase of the program.

Unfortunately for us, the fan base doesn't play on the field. And I've heard nothing about him losing the locker room.

How could it be ugly? With BJ gone then Holtz is free to run his offense without being held back by BJ. That's what I hear anyways.

You know when there is success it will be in spite of Holtz though...Then all will be forgotten. Kinda like how a large majority wanted Leavitt gone if not because of what happened with Miller, but because of the constant inability to do anything the last month and a half of the season.

So the hours are almost the same... plus you can't smoke... not that I have any issue with that but I bet there would be those that would be pissed about that.

My point was that until we have an OCS, the hours for parking aren't going to change... and they're not that far off from the other schools in the state. Yes, I agree that there probably should be some RV parking but we're talking what... maybe 5 - 10 RV's for a USF game?

There is RV parking. Its on the south side of the stadium on the far east side of Lot 9.

And then there is lot 14, the old mall parking lot. Its open to buses, campers and RV's.

5'11" vs 6'5"..............................................

This. It makes it a lot easier to see your receivers at that height.

That's what Drew Brees says...ERRRRRRRRRRRR

It will be tough to get a coach that is a Bull like Leavitt.

There will never be another Leavitt, because there will never be another head coach that can do what he did in starting our football program. This is not to say there isn't a brighter and better future for this program with a future head coach. Our Steve Spurrier, Bobby Bowden or Nick Saban will arrive, hopefully sooner than later.

Which Saban? LSU? The NFL Saban? Alabama?

Woot.

EJ has the benefit of having a great running game behind him. BJ is everything for USF.

this. BJ would be much more efficient if we had any sense of a running game. If we had an O-Line, both BJ's performance, as well as the RBs would probably improve dramatically.

Last year, USF had a pretty good running game averaging 183.2 YPG which ranked 31st in the nation and BJ looked the exact same...

EJ also typically had much more time (to actually make reads), and had receivers wide open numerous times. That can also tend to make things look much better for a QB.

For the people that typically do nothing but bash BJ, really watch the game next time and count how many times in a game BJ has 2-3+ secs to make his reads and then throw. Its very infrequent.

I agree that EJ had mroe time, but I've been fortunate enough to watch BJ bounce around in the pocket and make poor reads and make inaccurate throws for the past 4 seasons.

No Bueno..We def need secondary help.

They aren't very good, only victory came against 1-AA Villanova. They gave up a lot of points against Maryland and Penn State, which are both rather inept on offense. Hopefully USF can blow the doors off of them and welcome them to the Big East the hard way.

I was pretty impressed with watching EJ Manual Saturday night. He took the snap, made his reads, didnt lock on to a target, didnt force throws, planted his feet and made accurate throws even if/when there was pressure.

Watching BJ dance around like a fool and make crappy reads and even crappier throws made me realize how pisspoor the quarterback position has been around here for years. Hopefully one day soon USF can get a QB, instead of an athlete with a strong arm.

I agree that nobody plays harder than BJ, but effort only takes you so far...

fsu was sleep walking thru this game

i was not impressed that usf lost by 13 at home

my opinions have not changed

bj cant consistently hit a short pass

usf will be lucky to win 2 more games

Or a long pass. Or an intermediate pass.