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2 minutes ago, hm101 said:

https://x.com/ralphdrussoap/status/1692327650365210712?s=46&t=97XxWrS3MmeD1U3wJaui4Q

Ralph D. Russo: Stanford has informed Cal, Wazzu and Oregon State it is willing to go at a reduced rate or even forego payments to join ACC

I expect this to happen in some format. Maybe with a free smu or free cal. 

Stanford was never going to lower themselves to the AAC schools. 

Question becomes do we finally go it alone as an independent, or try a 10 team pac rebuild with osu, wsu, 4-5 mwc schools and a few aac schools. 

Stanford and cal will get to the acc. Smu will probably get in as well offering to take no tv money. 

We should offer the same or we'll be stuck in the sun Belt forever. 

22 minutes ago, TallyBull said:

Not if Stanford and Cal are in the conference. They clearly have the sympathy of many presidents and ADs, and our best shot (imperfect as it is) would be to hitch our wagon to them. I think if the PAC rebuilds there will still be a de jure P5 but a de facto P2. So we'd be as much a "P5" as the Big 12 and the ACC, perhaps not earning as much money as them, but also not part of the "P2." 

And even with respect to the "P2," contraction is coming down the road...  Vanderbilt, Northwestern, Purdue, Illinois, Rutgers, etc. won't be able to mooch off of the brand names forever. 

Yeah this is something I'm waiting on too. I feel like we aren't far from the 20 or so massive brand colleges splitting off and forming a semi pro league essentially. Hopefully the the rest of college sports can just be rearranged geographically and all this nonsense can end. 

I wouldn't watch a minute of a broken off league of big names, but I'm sure it's their eventual goal. Many schools are essentially collecting a check because of the brand and fan base of a few schools. Would prob be in everyone's interest if college football became a semi pro league where players are paid for the top players, then a second tier how it used to be, organized geographically, then the schools who's football is in the semi pro or whatever play their Olympics in whatever conference matches geographically. 

7 minutes ago, Brad said:

Jury may be out longer than usual.  
 

I’m not sure being scooped up in a 2/3 mid-major, former and beleagured P5 conference meets the traditional definition of being an addition to a P5 conference. 
 

Better than AAC?  Sure.  P5?  Let’s hold on a bit.  

Better than where we are now and we should take anything offered at this point. 

Pac adding us, memphis and tulane will be very similar to big East adding sdsu and Boise. 

Even if offered and accepted I doubt it'd ever actually come to pass. Which is fine for me because I want us to go independent anyway. 

1 hour ago, TallyBull said:

 

Best case scenario for us really. Only chance to escape from this pit we're in. 

I still think Stanford minimally will find a way into a better conference or go independent though.

1 hour ago, Brad said:

But aren't they being "relegated" like some believe we were?  It's all completely out of their hands? 

They must face the music and take up their new space amongst the wretched.  

You don't have to just bend over and take it like we've done. BYU acted intelligently when faced with this situation and went independent. Rather than lower themselves as a mwc member with Utah in the pac they went indy and eventually made the move up. 

Stanford similarly would just go independent before taking on north Texas, uab, San Antonio, Fau etc. 

I could wrap my head around some form of 4 aac schools plus 4 mwc schools but much past that is just too far down for Stanford or cal. 

7 minutes ago, michibull said:

This article references OS_Beaver, I don’t believe it. There is no way Stanford would be in a conference with FAU or Charlotte, they’d go independent before that happens. 

Yeah I don't understand how people can't figure this out. Stanford will never allow themselves to be lowered to the level of 90% of the AAC schools. The most likely scenario here is they go independent and wait for the big. 

Only way a merger happens is pac 4 + 4 aac schools + 4 mwc. Even that is pushing it. 

22 minutes ago, michibull said:

For real, there is no way Stamford leaves Navy out. Also, we CANNOT be in the same conference as FAU, it weakens our brand while strengthening theirs; we’ve been there and done that. I would rather pay the exit fee just to get away from FAU!!

Exactly. Our leadership learned nothing from propping ucf up 

1 minute ago, Who'sYourData? said:

Need 11 schools to dissolve the AAC.  

Who cares. We should leave and everyone who agreed to invite the sun belt should be fired. 

Leave now. Offer ourselves to any conference available, and in the meantime play all road games against power opposition. 

1 hour ago, Mike Stuben said:

If we were an independent, we would be UMass without their basketball tradition. Our TV partner would be More TV 32, and we would pay them to air the games. 

My idea has us being independent and playing 11-12 away games a season against power 5 teams. Maybe 1 fcs at home. We'd get payouts for one and dones and get more exposure, despite being the ncaa version of the Washington generals. 

2 minutes ago, puc86 said:

I think most people at WSU will pine for the rivalry, I think most people on the Washington side will never think of them again. Strangely the all important War on I-4 that just made so much sense and was important to advancing both programs is no longer the most important thing to one side and the vast majority of their fans would advocate the black balling they accused us of having done in the BEAST. When Washington is playing OSU on a Saturday night no one is going to be wishing it was WSU, people that win the breakup arent the ones that pine for their exes and that is something the losing side only imagines because it is what they are doing.  

I posted this the other day. We are the only Florida school who has willingly elevated another Florida school into their conference (Miami to acc was a lateral move at the time) and weve done it twice now. We are now 2-3 more bad seasons away from Fau being viewed ahead of us as well. 

We should have never allowed ucf into the aac. At that time the aac was 3 schools so there's nothing they could have done. If at any point the aac wanted to do it without our agreement we should have left. 

Ive said this all along and been right. We should be independent now. We are lowering our value by continuing to stay in these crap conferences. 

1 hour ago, flsportsfan83 said:

At this point with what is left in the AAC as bad as we have been we have to be atleast one of the 4 most attractive options left. Unless coming to FL is an issue for the new PAC12. 

Not sure what other 4 AAC schools would be a better fit. This conference is ******.

If I were the PAC I would select 

Memphis 

Tulane

SMU or RICE

USF

Boise State

SDSU

UNLV

Colarado State

 

That conference actually looks pretty good on paper. 

 

By far the best outcome for us provided we need to be in a conference. Smu over rice easily and that's a good 12 team conference. 

Best option is still independent though. 

Could throw in Fresno state, Afa, navy and temple if you want to make it 16

3 minutes ago, Bull Matrix said:

Big day tomorrow with the USF luncheon. Hopefully some info is leaked 

I'll be there to make the case for the wandering bulls

4 minutes ago, 2000bull said:

who is this guy?

Someone who doesn't know what he's talking about. The acc didn't want Stanford and cal, they're not adding us, especially not with fsu and/or Miami there. Only a fool props up their competition. No Florida school has allowed another Florida school a step up into their conference and weve done it twice now (Miami from big East to acc was a lateral move). No wonder we are moving backwards. 

Ive been saying for a while our only chance to remain relevant is to become the wandering bulls, play 12 away games per year as an independent. We keep dragging ourselves down by association. A couple years of Fau finishing above us and we'll be viewed below them too. Byu did it smartly. When Utah got the move to the pac they went independent. Didn't allow themselves to be lowered in perception and now they're fine. 

26 minutes ago, TallyBull said:

 

No chance those schools sign up to be associated with utsa, rice, Tulsa, Charlotte etc. 

If we do anything it should be us, smu and Memphis leaving to join the pac 4 plus a few mwc teams. Anything else and we're still an embarrassment 

24 minutes ago, Bull Matrix said:

You see. USF is in a good situation. Imagine how many others will be begging for USF to join when we start winning again 

None of them? 

We should be offering something like what smu is offering. 5 years of no revenue for acc. Even for free they probably still don't want us. 

Lights out, the party's over. If the dust settles and we're still in the new sun belt, it's time to shut the football program down

If we don't get an acc invite we absolutely should cancel the stadium build and fold the program. We played our hand wrong, just take the L and move on. 

12 minutes ago, Cat941 said:

So no USF in the ACC, B12 and/or the SEC since they already have a FL team.  That leaves just the BIG and that's such a long shot.  

It leaves us independent, rebranded as the wandering bulls playing only away games. 

1 hour ago, UCF_rustbucket said:

Lol you can down vote me, doesn't make my comment incorrect.

Just seems weird. Like I'm not on the Toledo forum. What's the point? Our schools have zero connection to each other, thankfully. 

58 minutes ago, Sk00b said:

Don't remember why i quoted this 20+ pages ago

See above statement

 

haaa this may be the best part! FSU fans losing their ****...

 

WHY CAN WE NOT GET HATS THAT NICE! Biggest failure of our GD athletics staff outside of living in last place. FM

 

I'm an 09 grad and a poster here since 2003 check the profile. 

Just my opinion on what we should do. Program is a disaster. Ucf blowing past us should have been the final blow. 

1 hour ago, Outlaw said:

Hey man that is a terrible group of schools to be associated with. I just threw up.

Agreed. That's harsh on temple 

4 minutes ago, UCF_rustbucket said:

That's actually just a myth floating on Twitter and online forums from fans of teams that want it to be true. Adding new teams does not open up the GOR. The new teams just sign onto the existing terms.

See the Big 12: once Texas and Oklahoma announced they were leaving, the Big 12 invited 4 new teams. That didn't let them out of the GOR early. We've now even reached the point where the 4 new teams have joined alongside Oklahoma and Texas, still didn't let them out early. 

Why are you here?

Seriously how has my idea not caught steam? Leave this turd conference, play 12 interesting road games a year, make a bunch of money on 1 and dones. Get national exposure, and be available to immediately join if the acc or pac suddenly need a team.