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23 minutes ago, puc86 said:

If the hoi polloi would like to dine on rock sandwiches, I do not begrudge them of that but they are objectively gross and Publix is the AAC of grocery stores.

The Aac of grocery stores is more like a run down gas station with microwave burritos and hot dogs that have been rolling since yesterday, with several addicts passed out in the parking lot. 

2 hours ago, Rocky Style said:

That's okay I don't want to associate with California either.

None of us will live to see a day where usf is considered a more prestigious university than cal. 

16 minutes ago, Cat941 said:

Is USF one of the teams or are we left out? More change should be good for us but still a chance to have pie in the face!   

I'm as pessimistic about usf and our outlook as anyone and even I would expect us to be part of whatever aac group leaves for the pac. There are so few aac schools that calford would be willing to associate with that to put 4-6 together there's no way we aren't part of it. 

14 hours ago, Outlaw said:

The pac4 don't belong in the sec. 

I mean the 4 holdouts from the acc 

44 minutes ago, Peatearpan said:

Stanford and Cal, why not? I still think OSU and WAU end up G5.

Also, I believe B12 want to go east to get some travel partners for UCF. Pitt, UConn, USF would be fun adds off the top of my dome.

Zero interest for me. I'd rather go to the acc once gutted than have a reunion with ucf. Best thing about them going to the B12 is severing ties with them. 

Hopefully rebuilding the pac is more valuable than what the B12 could offer because it's our best escape route for the moment. 

I don't think the 4 hold outs will flip. I think they're using this situation to try and get the gor reduced. They're willing to burn the house down if they can't get out, and rightfully so. Those 4 schools belong in the big or sec.

1 hour ago, aroth said:

I think I’ve seen this show before. FSU, Clemson, and UNC will continue to block expansion before accepting invitations to other conferences. At that point the remaining ACC schools will get picked over by the P3 with a few leftovers being relegated to the AAC.

The big 12 once tx and OK leave is closer to the AAC than the power 2. Even a depleted acc is a better conference with bigger brands. 

1 hour ago, KB said:

Thanks for posting UCF guy.  Us USF fans would have never been able to find and post this tweet from this obscure reporter.  Best of luck in your game Thursday night. 

It's unbelievably pathetic, bordeline sad that ucf fans still come here. Is your life that bad that you need this type of validation? 

53 minutes ago, belgianbull said:

I really don't think the Big 10 or SEC, no matter how much we win, will ever become options. Or at least not in the next 10 years. Still an outside chance for the Big 12 but those chances have diminished as well. However, if we make ourselves attractive enough perhaps as a travel partner for UCF so they are not on an island. Have to hope that a Kansas or Oklahoma State gets the call up by the Big 2.

ACC perhaps, if there is movement there; especially involving Florida teams, will become our mostly likely Power 4 option. If none of those happen a best of the rest merger will be our best option.

 Built an OCS, win, get ranked, some luck, and we will be in a better situation fairly soon

Big and sec will never in any of our lifetimes stoop to adding us. 

I hope we don't end up in the big 12. I want to move on from ucf permanently. 

ACC, independent or shut the program down. Only options. 

4 minutes ago, Bull Matrix said:

Let’s say both the big ten & SEC take teams from big 12 & ACC and then ACC is looking to backfill with a few Florida schools. Do you still prefer the big 12 over ACC?? I see the ACC coming out as 3rd best conference 

I'd take a depleted acc over any big 12. I don't want to be associated with ucf ever again. It's a big reason we are in the place we are now. 

54 minutes ago, michibull said:

For me personally, I don’t mean it as an elitist attitude as much as it is self preservation. We went from nothing to a budding rivalry with WVU, working on a rivalry with Miami or FSU, to being forced together with UCF, then being left behind to be joined by FAU. I’m greatly concerned that this will be our home for the next whatever time. I learned about USF when we got into CUSA, went to school during the first BE years and to watch this fall is painful. Maybe if I followed USF back in ‘97 I’d have a different perspective, but I didn’t and as a competitive person, this is really hard to accept. I am naturally an easy going, happy go lucky person, but even this is hard to stay positive about all the time, haha. Believe me, I don’t have an elitist attitude, I just want USF in the best conference possible and I realize how bad we’ve been; to the point that yes FAU is better currently. I just don’t want to repeat the past. I want USF to be in a conference with like minded universities (Stanford, Cal, Rice, Tulane, education first but very competitive teams). 

Very well said. It's like the analogy of a frog in boiling water. If you drop a frog in boiling water it jumps out. If you put it in normal temp water and slowly increase it to boiling he boils. 

If in 2008 we had announced we are joining a conference with FAU, North Texas, Charlotte, San Antonio etc heads would have rolled. Yet because it's happened slowly most here are just resigned to it. 

Being associated with these schools is an absolute embarrassment and should never be accepted. We should go independent if we insist on pressing on with football. Play as many road one and dones as needed to stay afloat. Being connected to **** makes us **** by association. 

There should be an uproar. Everyone who has been involved in the athletic program in the past 5-10 years should be fired. 

And now smu is another school go blow past us. This thread will be a real gem when FAU and North Texas move ahead of us in consideration for bigger moves.

No shame in admitting something was a mistake and moving on. Shut down the football program. 

7 minutes ago, Mike Stuben said:

It's not a flaming dumpster. 

The new AAC will be better than the old AAC, in my opinion, when you evaluate it on the top. (yes, I'd like to kick a few off the bottom)

If all the constant teams are ignored. 

Loss: UCF, Houston, Cincinnati, SMU (assuming this happans)

Gain: Oregon State, Washington State, San Diego State, UTSA, FAU, Fresno State, Rice + more MWC schools. 

I will argue that was a positive change in pure terms of quality of football / basketball 

 

I agree that losing ucf, Cincy, Houston and smu and replacing with Oregon state, Washington state, sdsu, Fresno would have been an improvement. The issue are those other schools you listed. We are lowering the value of our university by associating it with North Texas, Fau, Charlotte etc. 

3 minutes ago, Bull Matrix said:

I don’t get it. So who gets the P5 status now?? AAC already has the P6 status. I would think they move up one after they raid MWC

The same will happen to it that happened to the 6 bcs conferences. They'll just drop the number again and it'll be power 4.

In reality it's a power 2, a middle 2 and a flaming dumpster. 

29 minutes ago, Peatearpan said:

I don’t think that conference gets P5 status. Maybe if we didn’t lose SMU, Cincy, UCF, Houston AND we had WSU, OSU, SDSU, Fresno, CSU, Boise, UNLV, Nevada.

Bigger issue isn't who we lost, of those only cincinnati moves the needle, it's who we added. 

An embarrassing collection of Fau, North Texas, Charlotte, utsa. Sun belt or lower schools. Should have never added this dross and figured out an mwc merger when we didn't have all of this dead weight. 

7 minutes ago, Bull Matrix said:

What is odd is the rumors of ACC inviting 3 schools instead of an even 4. Are they expecting ND football to join?? 

Doesn't matter. We aren't on the radar and never will be. 

Take this abomination of an athletics program out back and put it out of it misery. 

2 hours ago, Bull Matrix said:

Not for us lol. USF & AAC appears to be in a better position now 

The AAC is an embarrassment. Every day we are in it lowers the value of the university. This is why smu is paying $50m+ to separate from it. 

We should leave immediately and go independent. Every escape route appears to be gone. Either independent or folding the program are the only options left. 

Mk should be fired effective immediately and never welcome in the area again. 

I've said all along that Stanford and cal won't lower themselves to a merger with the AAC or mwc. They'd have sooner gone independent. Makes sense that they're going to find a solution with the acc. 

Time to shut down our football program and join a different conference for other sports. 

Charlie strong dug our grave and Scott Jeff buried us. Those two men completely burned our athletics program to the ground. 

Time to either go independent or shut the program down. We cannot spend the next 10 years in this embarrassment of a league 

16 minutes ago, Bull Matrix said:

Ugh please no to the 11 aac teams. There's only 3-5 aac teams at most that aren't a complete embarrassment to be associated with. Need to get out of this **** hole conference ASAP. 

Looking like worst case scenario for us is about to happen. Pac folds altogether with the two valuable schools to the acc. The remaining 2 probably recreate the pac as a best of the mwc to keep the branding. Smu joins acc. Acc gets more stable. Zero landing spots for us for the next 10+ years. 

Seriously time to consider my proposal to shut the program down and focus on Olympics

I don't think they'd accept it regardless but we should absolutely be offering to play the acc for free for at least as long as smu is willing to. 

9 minutes ago, Rocky Style said:

They think this elevates their status rather than looking like a joke.

It does because 99% of the people watching college sports don't follow it on message boards like this and know or care about tv payouts. 

The point of all of this is getting a universitys recognition up and increasing exposure and prestige. Dropping down to the AAC is so far beneath a school like Stanford. 

USF is the only school dumb enough to let ourselves be lowered from a power conference to the old sun belt. 

1 minute ago, TallyBull said:

It's getting a little crazy.

Let's think this through. What are the motivations for joining a "P5" conference?

• More money
• Access to CFP

Set aside the B1G, B12, and SEC for a moment. If your goal is to get into the ACC, but you're giving up the money for 5 years, and the ACC may no longer exist as a "power" conference in 5 years because the B1G, B12, and SEC are going to poach most of your teams, isn't there a significant risk that you will both make no money over that timeframe and ultimately lose what you perceive to be better access to the CFP?

While the G5's access isn't as good as in a P5 conference, it seems like there's momentum of guaranteeing G5 teams at least one, possibly two, spots in the CFP. So if you're making no money and have similar (admittedly not equal) access to the CFP, is this all worth it?

Seems to me like the snooty officials at Stanford and Cal, and the desperate boosters at SMU, haven't really thought this through. I guess the gamble could pay off if the ACC sticks together? But maybe I'm missing something. 

What you aren't factoring in is the national embarrassment of associating your prestigious school with aac or mwc schools. Usf is the only school so blind as to willingly drop down from the big East to the sun belt and think it's OK to tie ourselves to Charlotte, utsa, North Texas, Fau etc. 

Ive said all along Stanford will sooner go independent than join up with memphis, Boise etc. Just like we should have gone independent before allowing all the dross into the aac

19 minutes ago, MaltLiquorBull said:

So they’d rather take their chances playing for free in the ACC on the east coast then associate with AAC and MWC teams and get paid?   

The pay and embarrassment of being associated with aac schools is not worth it. 

We should be making the same offer, problem is acc would deny us even for free. 

If acc adds 2-4 teams and the pac 4 thing doesn't materialize for us it's time to seriously just shut down the program or go full independent.