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3 minutes ago, 00Bull said:

Pick six incoming. Going to be a blowout.

@USFBulls12 That didn’t age well. I’ll accept that downvote.

3 minutes ago, puc86 said:

That really shut down the roar of the crowd

I could distinctly hear what sounded like 3 girls yelling “block that kick” in the telecast. Very intimidating.

Pick six incoming. Going to be a blowout.

UABs uniforms/mascot look like something I’d create as a kid in Madden. 

Another W incoming. USF wins relatively comfortably. 

59 minutes ago, Triple B said:

Fudging ….smh. USF has the luxury of trying to expose as many as possible to Bulls football by giving away free tickets and they take advantage of it ….. and this is some type of conspiracy.

It’s not a conspiracy it’s math. 

8 minutes ago, Bryson W said:

They probably will be. More people would want to go to the campus than Raymond James for a usf game, the environment would be a lot better and feel like real college football.

We’ll see. If the presence of the OCS takes actual attendance of a Rice game from 10k to 35k, I’d be ecstatic. 

4 minutes ago, Bryson W said:

I think the school really only cares if people are buying the tickets, they care more about that than people showing up for the games. But if they’re giving out 15k free tickets a game, I would think they’re losing money every game. Hopefully that made sense.

It does and I agree. I only point it out for the folks who have been using those attendance numbers in forming their opinions/outlook. Bad data = bad conclusions.

17 minutes ago, Triple B said:

They're using the same criteria that all other college programs use so I don't know what to tell you ....

I’ve explained this before…USF plays in a 65k stadium compared to other AAC schools in their 25-35k stadiums. That difference and the size of our metro area would allow USF to distribute far more tickets than most other AAC teams. So although everyone may be misleading, the extent to which USF can fudge their numbers is far greater. It’s much easier to say 29k in attendance in a 65k stadium when 10k show up than it is in a 35k stadium. 

I’m just happy to see some transparency so I can stop reading things like:

-our current games are sellouts in the new OCS

-the game wasn’t really empty, everyone was in the club suites

15 minutes ago, Triple B said:

Everybody uses fake attendance numbers. Nobody's misleading anybody ....

Right, because publishing 29k “attendance”   for Rice when in reality it’s a 1/3rd of that is not intentionally misleading at all. Pretty sure they offered cheap tickets to Hillsborough County School employees, so there’s 15-20k of that Rice figure.

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That Rice number is actually pretty shocking considering it was the week following a solid showing against Bama and  we have a base of 15k season ticket holders.
I’d have to imagine that winning will improve these number somewhat but these AAC scrubs may be more poison than even I thought. 

3 hours ago, Bryson W said:

Yikes...

 

So to compare:

FAMU “attendance” 36.5k (-14k difference)

Alabama “attendance” 65k (-17k difference)

Rice “attendance” 29k (-18.5k difference)

Glad we can dispose of those fake attendance numbers once and for all. Hopefully those who’ve been misled can reset their understanding of the situation at hand.   

Yep, rook mistake with our conference foe. Happen to know if I can edit or delete the post?

Looking to take the kids and the in-laws if anyone happens to have any freebies or cheap ones. 

2 minutes ago, Bull94 said:

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When 1/3 or more your roster leaves, I have no doubt portal transfers will be contributors in the rebuild. It’s who you are giving up and who you are getting back.
The article I posted above did the analysis: 60 All Conference players from the G5 left for the P5. How many All Conference P5s joined G5s?
 

Perhaps the best case to be made is that USF becomes a top G5 team, so although we lose our talent (which gets more exposure because we are a top team - double edged sword), we get the pick of the P4 castoffs and can poach weaker G5 teams players. Can’t imagine it’s going to be fun coaching first year players perpetually but it is what it is. 

15 minutes ago, olafberserker said:

Except there isn't this huge amount of traffic on that street as you are trying to proclaim

Oh really? 
 

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Where did all those transfer players ended up, what made this portal cycle...

9 minutes ago, belgianbull said:

Many impact players will decide to stay since they see coach Golesh has something special going at USF. Just need to be competitive with what we can offer them regarding nil money, but there is no reason that we cant figure that out.

So you agree, we will likely only keep the players we can pay. Now let’s compare what USF can pay to what power schools can pay. 
Trying not to beat a dead horse here but these rebuttals are making the point. Effective last season, this is a pay for play league.
How do the Rays do with retaining talent? 

2 minutes ago, Bull94 said:

sorry but a QB transferring from notre dame to alabama isn't leaving for more money and more exposure.

Here is a QB that transferred from LSU to Auburn to Texas State. They beat Baylor this year.

He is listed as a top transfer last year in the SI article at the bottom.

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Exceptions to the rule. For everyone 1 of him, there are 100 Blake Barnetts and Matthew Hills. This is a predominantly one way street.

6 minutes ago, Bull94 said:

I think people realize players leave for all sorts of reasons.

for some reason you think we will just be picked clean every year.

we will absolutely lose players(just as every program in the country does) but the transfer portal will benefit programs like ours far more than it will hurt us.

Programs will be far more competitively balanced. We will have more depth and the bottom of our roster will be improved.

OU didn't shut down their program when they lost Caleb Williams.

 ucf lost their qb to Oklahoma. They replaced him with a transfer from ole miss. their scoring average went up by a point per game.

Yes, that reason is more money and better exposure. Nearly all of the examples you are giving are players transferring amongst power schools. Do that same exercise for great players who transferred from a P4/5 to a G5. 

This system is an upside down funnel, the lower you are in conference/money/brand/whatever, the more opportunities above you players will have as better options. If you are a top 20 school, why bother even trying to recruit anyone other than the best of best high schoolers when you simply can acquire already developed/proven talent by offering…wait for it…more money and more exposure. 

45 minutes ago, Bull94 said:

you really need to get over the whole transfer player thing. It happens to all programs. Big and small.

Jalen Hurts played for alabama and Oklahoma. Joe Burrow played for LSU and Ohio State. Russel Wilson played for NC State and Wisconsin. Michael Penix played at Indiana and washington. Bo Nix played at auburn and oregon. Jordan travis played at louisville and FSU. Hendon hooker played at Va Tech and tennessee.

You could go on and on. Good players leave good programs too.

I’m responding to the folks who think last years transfer loses were an anomaly because of CJS. You seem to be making my argument, good players will leave for better opportunities. 

36 minutes ago, Triple B said:

BREAKING NEWS: We're not going 1-11 and changing coaches after this year ....

And since those were definitely the top 2 reasons (record and coach turnover) everyone left, not NIL money and/or better NFL exposure, then the problem is solved. 

23 minutes ago, Gatorbull325 said:

If I'm going to start over with a new coach I rather roll with Prime. Deion Sanders is a legend and a celebrity. I don't think he needed to rely on money as hard as you guys make it sound to be.

Don’t disagree with you and perhaps it wasn’t money straight up, but NFL exposure of a P5 now P4 school over a G5 school (as you are mentioning) also ends in the same outcome.

3 minutes ago, olafberserker said:

Except it isn't what is happening all around the country.  See the list previously posted of QB transfers

Making a general comment about players but not sure why QB would be immune. Last year with limited playing time, BB would have been a prospect to other schools at most. If he continues to ball out the rest of the year, he will absolutely be getting offers and likely (if he’s not already) will have to be USFs highest NIL paid athlete to have any hope of keeping him. What player is going to stay at a G5 school and forego (1) money and/or (2) exposure if they have NFL hopes. This is the new normal.

14 minutes ago, Triple B said:

 

I'm not saying we definitely won't lose players but comparing THAT situation to what hopefully will be the situation at the end of this year is kinda ridiculous ...... but I get the "woe is us" feeling that permeates some of our fan base on certain things.

Not sure it’s all that ridiculous when my outcome is based on the recent actual history of USF (and numerous colleges around the country, many/most of which didn’t have coaching changes) while your outcome is based on “hopefully”.

17 minutes ago, Gatorbull325 said:

I havent seen any players that are starters and at a school with a returning coach be "poached" yet. But all these fans are predicting that we are going to be on this cycle of losing our best players every year. 

We will know in the next 6-8 months but add me to that list of fans. Except for Brown, USF lost every impact offensive player on a 1-11 team despite those players knowing a highly regarded offensive coach from a top ranked P5 school was being brought in. Unless a school has deep NIL pockets, being at the top-ish of the G5 is likely going to be result in “call ups” of your best players who are replaced by 2nd/3rd chance type of players from other schools.