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UCF isn't claiming to be co-CFP champions. The fact that ESPN and every other school that claims a share of a national championship defines it the same way as us should have given you pause in your confidence.

What I think you're picking up on is that the advice isn't disingenuous, but the motivation is. We all struggle with whether to root for conference mates, so our wins are more meaningful, or against them, as they are rivals for limited resources. If you could give a conference-mate good advice, knowing that they will ignore or probably go against that advice because you're the one sharing it, wouldn't you? You've done your duty as a conference-mate and it makes it WAY more fun when they experience consequences as a result of ignoring good advice. I think that's what you're sensing, UCF fans are happy to give advice and are even happier to watch y'all ignore it.

That's a fair point. I guess it's worth it to me because I'm always looking for interesting conversations. I'm guessing you're similar, since I see you bring up provocative points of view with other USF fans. But talking with other UCF fans can get boring when you all see things the same way. It just becomes an echo chamber. For me, it's worth it to make the effort to go to other boards because it's a much more interesting conversation. If CFB is all tribalism, I'm always interested in what the other tribes are thinking/saying.

It's just another way to interact with other fans. Have you never invited an opposing fan to your tailgate? You talk about their team, where they're from, talk some trash. It's fun as long as it's respectful. But most UCF fans don't come here to get perspective. They come here to gloat because we think it's karma that USF tried to keep us down and bragged about it and now your program is in the ******. It's not exactly brotherly love, but the UCF fans I've seen around here haven't been too bad, but the bad ones might be taken care of by mods.

They weren't your average fan, more like the dumb twitter trolls we all have. But there were a ton of them, there was no twitterverse for them to live in, and Brandon let them run the free board. I think that's part of the reason internet UCF fans are so defensive, because every time we were down, there were more threads from trolls than fans at any given time.

No, he's right. When USF was in the Big East, there was a constant influx of USF fans.

You kind of walked into that one.

Don't ruin the narrative. It's fake. Everything is photoshopped. UCF fans made it up.

I'm more worried about you than anyone on this board. @TheGreatOutlaw, if you're really psyched about this conversation, dm me, we can discuss.

I tried to engage in a debate about whether UCF or USF fans were more insecure and it was embarrassing. And not fun embarrassing, like I'm embarrassed to also have graduated from a school from the same state. Let's stick with topics where y'all don't end up in the fetal position. I'm not yet convinced this is a safe topic.

Still here, just trying not to be a bully.

I'm pretty embarrassed that I didn't do a better job figuring out where things were at here, I just assumed it would be in the normal state school fan level as far as intelligence and fragility go. Now I feel like the guy that picked on the slow kid in class. I'm happy to weigh in as a UCF fan, but let's save debate for a time when your buddies demonstrate they can be around one without deteriorating into a humiliating mess.

Let me say first that this is the best post I've seen so far on this site. It's logical, coherent, and makes some valid points. It's very possible that you're the intelligent fan I've been waiting for. But right now, I'm not sure I can engage with it. I came here with the intention of provoking some interesting conversation, but honestly, I feel like **** because I ****** up some of the people on the board a little bit. So you might be the poster that has no problem intelligently debating things, but I'm afraid that you might not and I'll make the situation worse. I don't think I need to leave the board, but allow me to rain check on the conversation and maybe we can try again later. And if some of y'all are just pretending that you're too stupid to understand or pretending that you're having a stroke to guilt me into leaving the board, bra-freakin-vo. I tip my hat to you, because all I feel is bad for y'all.

Y'all, I figured I would push some buttons, but I think I broke Triple B. Which, I promise, was not my intention. I just wanted to see how people here would react if I pushed a little further on some concepts, but it seems like I pulled on one too many threads. Oof. Good luck, USF alumni. This world has a lot scarier stuff in it than me.

Which he refuses to test? Honestly, this is getting a lot less fun and making me sad. Usually, the fun at this stage of a program is the unmerited arrogance. And I've seen a little bit of that. But I challenged Bulls fans to brag about their program and the best I got was 'good media market' and 'relationships with BCS programs' like your buddy, Louisville. And typically when I visit boards, there's at least one person who can understand why I'm saying that I can banter with. But it seems like I visited too late. On some level, y'all seem to already realize that your program sucks and you're in bad shape. And I don't have anyone to banter with, because y'all don't have people that can engage at that level. The academic smack and realignment smack don't go very deep here, and where I was having fun seeing the arrogance, now I'm just kind of feeling sorry for you. Which is never a place I thought I could get to with Bulls fans.

As I said in the other thread, I commend you for trying to understand about hypotheses and what is admittedly a higher concept conversation than is typical on a message board. I'm ok moving on from here with you if you are.

I could not have more simply laid out my hypothesis, which stemmed from my original conversation with JTrue. I can't tell whether you're unwilling or unable to understand the conversation. If unable, I commend you for trying.

So my theory is that USF fans are so insecure that even if all I do is respond to UCF threads and replies to posts, USF fans won't be able to help themselves from responding. Your theory is that I'm trolling and trying to win by getting people to respond. Let's test the theories: you and your buddies ignore me. If you ignore me, then I'll act like any other troll, I'll fight for more attention and then give up. If you can't ignore me, well, that's pretty telling no matter what I'm trying to accomplish.

Haha! Link or quote of the Barstool Sports argument about expansion?

I just figured that if UCF had no hope of passing USF and I asked you to tell me about how great a state the USF program is to shut out all hope, you would have more for me than 'we have a slightly bigger media market' and 'we're almost a top 100 school'. Nothing about your coach or OC or AD or QB? Y'all hosted a HUGE game with WVU, right? You're going to have one of the best IPFs in the country soon! I was hoping a bunch of USF fans would love the chance to brag on the program and talk about how USF has everything and UCF has nothing. The bragging was pretty disappointing, frankly. And your buddies all went silent.

I think this board is my favorite place on the internet.

I know, I just really enjoy hearing y'all talk about how great your program is. So how about it? How great is USF right now? UCF has no hope to pass you by, so it must be pretty great, right? Again, I would love to hear from other USF fans as well.

That's great. But you haven't really explained why there is NO hope for UCF. And I'd love it if you talked more about how great the USF program is right now. For example, our coach is ____ and our OC is going to ____. We have the ____ AD in CFB. Our QB is _____. Stuff like that.

And I hope that I didn't communicate that I only want to hear from puc on this. I would love to hear from as many people as possible. Seriously, jump in. I want to hear all about the strength of the USF program and the weakness of UCF from anyone that agrees with puc.

Seriously, keep going. I would honestly love to hear more about how USF is on top and UCF has no hope. Not joking at all.