Calibull

Thought this article might give a little insight.  80-90 plays a game... actually just read it.  This demonstrates that many have no idea as to what we're going to see this season... and Kinnan is playing a large role.   I thought it was a good read.

http://www.heraldtribune.com/article/20150730/COLUMNIST/150739958/2416/FRONTPAGE

 

 

 

Flowers was a true freshman getting spot play in a west coast offense where most of his packages were wildcat.  He started one game the day after he found out his brother was dead (having lost his other brother, mother, and father to death) and people are trying to use last season to gauge his overall talent.  I think that kid has a iron resolve and where you see him lagging, I see something special in a guy who has managed to make it through that and to be honest, he's one of the top 3 athletes on the team overall and you're putting in him an offense he was raised running and saying, "just play ball."

 

Bench is not starting.  Flowers was clearly the better guy in the spring.  I think Taggart didn't want  bench, his senior, to keep his head in the game.  The QB position is Flowers to lose, I think he will excel.  He displayed a good arm in the spring... sure there was the windy spring game but he made some big throws in a gusting wind that I thought were nice.  He's a true soph... I look for him to make mistakes, but he's going to go HAM. It's one of the reasons I think Woulard wants in now... Flowers could create a strangle hold on the QB spot for the next three years.  

 

I guess it is a matter of perspective.  He did not just start one game.  HE WAS NAMED THE STARTER FOR THE REMAINDER OF THE SEASON, did not finish the game and never started again (did he even see the field again).  I agree, 100%, that the QB position is Flowers to lose.  It is not Flowers' fault, but CWT is in win now mode.  

 

He should have stuck with Flowers last year.  I do not want to hear about all of the emotional trials,  many of the kids have a story of overcoming, if that makes me sound like a jerk then I am sorry, USF football is business.  CWT will make the business decision of going with Bench at some point.  Flowers is not ready and does not have the fortune of working through growing pains this year.  Tough spot for the kid for sure.  I saw plenty of the spring game and I have seen NOTHING from Flowers that makes me think he is ready to lead this team.

 

dude... I don't think you even understand what I'm getting at.  I'm not looking to attach blame or anything.  You sound stupid.  READ my comment and understand what I'm saying.  You don't know anything about resolve?  Tenacity forged from loss or desire to not fail?  Mental toughness?  You have to be a weak person to not see what I'm talking about... so forget it... you could never understand my point if that is the case.  Nothing you mentioned had anything to do with what I was getting at.

 

 

I did not mean to hurt your feelings, but there is no need to go on a tantrum and try to make things personal by name calling.  Saying things like "you sound stupid" and "you have to be a weak person" makes you sound like someone who is just hurt that someone else absolutely disagrees with you.  

 

Again, I don't intend to sound mean by disagreeing with you but you are basing your whole argument on Flower's "resolve", his "mental toughness", and that he is "special", oh, and a windy spring game.  All of those things are great, but they don't score points.  People are gauging his overall talent on last year because that is the only game time situation people have.  Using anything else is just guessing, hoping, and like California Bull said, relying on his 247 ranking coming out of High School to justify using words like "high ceiling".  

 

Do you really think that anyone on this board wants USF to fail?  Of course not, but some, like myself, simply don't have as rosy outlook as say, you.  I wish I could live in the world of conjecture and hyperbole (at least I hope it was hyperbole..forged in loss or desire not to fail...  rooooaaaar).  Was that a line from Rocky?

 

Either way, don't get so upset when people disagree with you and realize that everyone who does disagree with you on this particular point really does hope you are right.     

 

I still believe, based on facts, CWT hot seat, Bench being a Senior, Flowers' limited real college experience, that  Bench will either start or be starting by the end of the Memphis game because CWT needs wins.  Flower's still needs another year, which is also the reason I think he will transfer if he does not go Dan Marino and lock up the position.  

 

I'm not relying on his 247 rating... that's just silly.  He's a better fit and QB than Bench.  He's a better football player than Bench.  OK... Taggart is on the hot seat... So he's going to play Flowers because he's better and gives us a better chance to win.  Seems to be what analyst think too... I'm just saying.

Sry to disrupt the Bench no Bueno harmony but.... I am not sold that M. White was our best option last season. There were games were Bench was put in begrudgingly by CWT and played better than White. As I and others have stated, Bench has not been given a fair shake by CWT. Even when White had that sprain, Bench did not get first team reps. I would like to see him get in sync and timing down with the offense then we can make a true decision on his ability. 

Anyone who thinks Mike White was our best option really shouldn't be taken seriously.  I can see what you mean about Bench... Maybe he can be serviceable.  Because he's serviceable at best.  He's not going to overwhelm anyone with athletic ability but he's serviceable.  If Flowers does what I think he can do in this system, he can be big time.  

The proper nomenclature for is Terribad 

If you guys want to be on the Flowers band wagon thats fine. But im with armybull on this one. Flowers cant throw at all at a D1 level. To say that he has a higher ceiling than bech is crazy, because ive never even seen the spectacular play from flowers that makes you believe that. Bech has an arm, he has the legs, and I think hes serviceable at best. Which is better than flowers

This tells me you are not an good evaluator of qbs because what you're saying is crazy.

 

Flowers was a true freshman getting spot play in a west coast offense where most of his packages were wildcat.  He started one game the day after he found out his brother was dead (having lost his other brother, mother, and father to death) and people are trying to use last season to gauge his overall talent.  I think that kid has a iron resolve and where you see him lagging, I see something special in a guy who has managed to make it through that and to be honest, he's one of the top 3 athletes on the team overall and you're putting in him an offense he was raised running and saying, "just play ball."

 

Bench is not starting.  Flowers was clearly the better guy in the spring.  I think Taggart didn't want  bench, his senior, to keep his head in the game.  The QB position is Flowers to lose, I think he will excel.  He displayed a good arm in the spring... sure there was the windy spring game but he made some big throws in a gusting wind that I thought were nice.  He's a true soph... I look for him to make mistakes, but he's going to go HAM. It's one of the reasons I think Woulard wants in now... Flowers could create a strangle hold on the QB spot for the next three years.  

 

I guess it is a matter of perspective.  He did not just start one game.  HE WAS NAMED THE STARTER FOR THE REMAINDER OF THE SEASON, did not finish the game and never started again (did he even see the field again).  I agree, 100%, that the QB position is Flowers to lose.  It is not Flowers' fault, but CWT is in win now mode.  

 

He should have stuck with Flowers last year.  I do not want to hear about all of the emotional trials,  many of the kids have a story of overcoming, if that makes me sound like a jerk then I am sorry, USF football is business.  CWT will make the business decision of going with Bench at some point.  Flowers is not ready and does not have the fortune of working through growing pains this year.  Tough spot for the kid for sure.  I saw plenty of the spring game and I have seen NOTHING from Flowers that makes me think he is ready to lead this team.

 

AAAAAAND.. he only started 1 game.  SMU.  Did you miss the end of the season or something?  I guess you had an eye injury where you couldn't even read stats... or see games... must still have it too.  

How about this... Mike White just was not a very good QB and Steven Bench is serviceable at best.  White was an interception machine and Bench couldn't win a game to save his life.  He has been forced to play musical chairs... Matt Floyd? Bobby Eveld? Mike White? Steven Bench?... White was a take because there wasn't anything available that year.  Bench because we literally had no QBs except an incoming freshman and Bobby and Matt.... Flowers is the guy Taggart was banking on.  He was the big get.  He's the first serviceable QB to put on a USF uniform since B.J. Daniels left.  The system is a run option system, something he excelled at in High School.  He's not throwing the ball 30 times a game.  He will be running... a lot.  Passing also.  I'm wondering if any of you even understand the offensive system is different.  It's almost like you're inventing things in your head to rationalize you wanting the school to be terrible.  The past two seasons? Yeah I can see it... but this year... I'm like... "Do you not see what's going on?"  

 

Flowers was a true freshman getting spot play in a west coast offense where most of his packages were wildcat.  He started one game the day after he found out his brother was dead (having lost his other brother, mother, and father to death) and people are trying to use last season to gauge his overall talent.  I think that kid has a iron resolve and where you see him lagging, I see something special in a guy who has managed to make it through that and to be honest, he's one of the top 3 athletes on the team overall and you're putting in him an offense he was raised running and saying, "just play ball."

 

Bench is not starting.  Flowers was clearly the better guy in the spring.  I think Taggart didn't want  bench, his senior, to keep his head in the game.  The QB position is Flowers to lose, I think he will excel.  He displayed a good arm in the spring... sure there was the windy spring game but he made some big throws in a gusting wind that I thought were nice.  He's a true soph... I look for him to make mistakes, but he's going to go HAM. It's one of the reasons I think Woulard wants in now... Flowers could create a strangle hold on the QB spot for the next three years.  

 

I guess it is a matter of perspective.  He did not just start one game.  HE WAS NAMED THE STARTER FOR THE REMAINDER OF THE SEASON, did not finish the game and never started again (did he even see the field again).  I agree, 100%, that the QB position is Flowers to lose.  It is not Flowers' fault, but CWT is in win now mode.  

 

He should have stuck with Flowers last year.  I do not want to hear about all of the emotional trials,  many of the kids have a story of overcoming, if that makes me sound like a jerk then I am sorry, USF football is business.  CWT will make the business decision of going with Bench at some point.  Flowers is not ready and does not have the fortune of working through growing pains this year.  Tough spot for the kid for sure.  I saw plenty of the spring game and I have seen NOTHING from Flowers that makes me think he is ready to lead this team.

 

dude... I don't think you even understand what I'm getting at.  I'm not looking to attach blame or anything.  You sound stupid.  READ my comment and understand what I'm saying.  You don't know anything about resolve?  Tenacity forged from loss or desire to not fail?  Mental toughness?  You have to be a weak person to not see what I'm talking about... so forget it... you could never understand my point if that is the case.  Nothing you mentioned had anything to do with what I was getting at.

Flowers was a true freshman getting spot play in a west coast offense where most of his packages were wildcat.  He started one game the day after he found out his brother was dead (having lost his other brother, mother, and father to death) and people are trying to use last season to gauge his overall talent.  I think that kid has a iron resolve and where you see him lagging, I see something special in a guy who has managed to make it through that and to be honest, he's one of the top 3 athletes on the team overall and you're putting in him an offense he was raised running and saying, "just play ball."

Bench is not starting.  Flowers was clearly the better guy in the spring.  I think Taggart didn't want  bench, his senior, to keep his head in the game.  The QB position is Flowers to lose, I think he will excel.  He displayed a good arm in the spring... sure there was the windy spring game but he made some big throws in a gusting wind that I thought were nice.  He's a true soph... I look for him to make mistakes, but he's going to go HAM. It's one of the reasons I think Woulard wants in now... Flowers could create a strangle hold on the QB spot for the next three years.  

 

 

 

 

Lanaris is my all time least favorite USF player. Me and my friends used to watch him during plays and the only thing he ever did successfully was jump on the pile AFTER someone else already tackled the guy. Hopefully Auggie proves me wrong but he's shaping up to be somewhat similar.

We use to watch games and single him out... He often looked completely lost.  He'd make tackles 10 and 15 yards down field, no bueno for a MLB.  I've seen Auggie... I've done the same with him.  He's waaay more athletic and bends easily at the hips.  He meets the runner at the line and has a nose for the ball.  It's crazy because last season was his freshman season, and he started and played well.  He's a guy who can develop into something special.  I think he really is that good.  Now only a Soph at 6'2 241, we should see continued improvement.  It's only his soph year.  

 

 

He was a redshirt freshman last season .... but he spent 2013 as a fullback. Smart decision to move him back to LB ...

 

Yeah I knew he was a redshirt freshman.  But he's still a freshman playing wise.  His first season of on the field and he performed better than anyone at any school could have asked a guy to play.  He got turnovers as well as created them, recovered fumbles, scored once, hand an int, second in tackles on the season.  I mean come on, the kid had a good season considering how young he was.  

 

 

You'll get no argument from me. I like the kid .... how can you not like someone called "Auggie" ... but just to be accurate, he was 4th on the team in total tackles on the season, which is still darn good.

 

Oh... he was 4th?  I stand corrected.  I misread.  Good catch, but yeah that is still really good.  I like the kid a lot.  I think he's going to be one of our better MLBs if he keeps developing like he is.

 

 

Lanaris is my all time least favorite USF player. Me and my friends used to watch him during plays and the only thing he ever did successfully was jump on the pile AFTER someone else already tackled the guy. Hopefully Auggie proves me wrong but he's shaping up to be somewhat similar.

We use to watch games and single him out... He often looked completely lost.  He'd make tackles 10 and 15 yards down field, no bueno for a MLB.  I've seen Auggie... I've done the same with him.  He's waaay more athletic and bends easily at the hips.  He meets the runner at the line and has a nose for the ball.  It's crazy because last season was his freshman season, and he started and played well.  He's a guy who can develop into something special.  I think he really is that good.  Now only a Soph at 6'2 241, we should see continued improvement.  It's only his soph year.  

 

 

He was a redshirt freshman last season .... but he spent 2013 as a fullback. Smart decision to move him back to LB ...

 

Yeah I knew he was a redshirt freshman.  But he's still a freshman playing wise.  His first season of on the field and he performed better than anyone at any school could have asked a guy to play.  He got turnovers as well as created them, recovered fumbles, scored once, hand an int, second in tackles on the season.  I mean come on, the kid had a good season considering how young he was.  

2010 was full of 1st year starters that over achieved and won 8 games.  

We beat teams like Clemson with guys like Mo Plancher at RB with a rebuilt knee and walk ons starting at WR. and BJ was terrible that year

 

and now we've got all these hot shot recuits and can't win 6 games in the AAC.

Now we're lucky to beat Temple with a guy like Mack.

No excuse not to be as good as 2010 other than lousy coaching.

 

2013, and 2014 are in a class all by themselves.

2004 was like 2012.

Why did they get better after 2004 and worst after 2012...  2011 we sucked also. 2004 was followed by progressively better seasons that began when the team bottomed out the year prior.  That 2010 had scattered 1st year starters... BJ had one of his his best season statically in 2011.. I mean none of what you're saying makes sense... because it isn't true.  You realize this information is posted right?

Literally you give the evidence that this team is closer to 2004 by making up the stuff you did.  You demonstrated a trend upwards after bottoming out.  So I'd expect this team to actually win 7-8 games this season.  I'm not sure what you expected in 2013... but Matt Floyd and Bobby Eveld were the QBs we had with experience.  Lemme guess... you like skip holtz.

19-10... USF

Lanaris is my all time least favorite USF player. Me and my friends used to watch him during plays and the only thing he ever did successfully was jump on the pile AFTER someone else already tackled the guy. Hopefully Auggie proves me wrong but he's shaping up to be somewhat similar.

We use to watch games and single him out... He often looked completely lost.  He'd make tackles 10 and 15 yards down field, no bueno for a MLB.  I've seen Auggie... I've done the same with him.  He's waaay more athletic and bends easily at the hips.  He meets the runner at the line and has a nose for the ball.  It's crazy because last season was his freshman season, and he started and played well.  He's a guy who can develop into something special.  I think he really is that good.  Now only a Soph at 6'2 241, we should see continued improvement.  It's only his soph year.  

I don't buy what some of you are selling.  I'm not calling anyone out but I remember those who hated B.J. and I'm pretty sure that some of you, without saying names, use to be all over Gregs blog hating on Grothe.  So when I see a lot of those people who have trashed the program since I can remember, going on about how bad things are now and who's good and not good... I'm like meeeh.   Just the fact that they are saying we're terrible this year based on last year, is probably a good thing.

No matter what, this USF (2015) team would struggle with any prior USF team... and I mean struggle.

You have not seen this team play one down so that tells me a lot about what you're  basing it on.  

I don't know but I'll say there are a few of us in California that will be there.  

 

I don't even know if he will be allowed in the booth.

there was an article where CWT was saying he wasn't sure whether he would be on the field or in the booth

 

That's not important to Deldabull... that's simply a fact you are giving.  Del, he/she, simply just pulls it out of thin air without realizing that the narrative in his/her head is false.  Doesn't matter what the Kinnan, the school, the head coach, the AD, and what's been reporte... Del simply says it because if he says it, that makes it true.  

I think in a more traditional D Auggie would be fine but a lot is on his shoulders in this defensive scheme...somehow he reminds me of Lanaris who was also more suited for stopping the run but hurt me more than once...

Sanchez reminds me nothing of Lanaris.  Lanaris had no hips and couldn't play either the pass or the run.  He was simply a Holtz favorite.  He was super slow and not athletic at all.  The only reason he started was Holtz... Leavitt had no confidence in that guy and he never even saw reps... but Holtz in his clever talent evaluation did not play the three best guys when he was there.  Lanaris was terrible, he played on skates and couldn't make a tackle within 2 yards of the line of scrimmage to save his life.  You want to see something funny, look at the highlights of other teams we played and I'm sure you'll see him running around in the middle like a weeble wobble 

Well the 05 team went 6 and 6 after that bad 04 team lets hope we turn out like 05 team.

We seem to be out of the dive years 2012 and 2013 and 2014 did show improvement we will find out soon.

2011 was the start... we were 5-7, then 3-9, then 2-10, 3-9, and then 4-8.   The nose dive started with a thrashing from Pitt in 2011.  Have people forgotten when the terrible started.  I think we win at least games simply because of recruiting.  I know everyone wants to be downer don... but this team is underrated for a change.  I think this team is in the position of Memphis a couple of years ago.  I wouldn't be surprised if they won the conference.

I agree that's is most like the 2014 team. Otherwise, perhaps the 2004 team that went 4-7. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_South_Florida_Bulls_football_team)

I'd say this team was actually closer to the 2005 team.  

 

 

 

Taggart hasn't shown the ability to get plays into the huddle on time on a consistent basis.

What's the relevance of your post to this thread?

So what if Kinnan is a special whatever. CWT has a slow delivery

Hyberbolic much... smazza... I mean Delda ;-)

In all seriousness, it easy to see where his impact could be tremendous, including game planning opponents, implementing the entirely new spread offense, real time gameday adjustment, situation play calling, a voice of reason when CWTis wrong, etc etc

 

You are making too much sense... brain overload... rational thinking... no place here.  

 

Does not sound good...

Collin Sherwin â€@USFCollin 1h1 hour ago

A roster change forthcoming to USF Football. Not good for Bulls, but V5 policy is protect players until it’s official. Gonna hurt though.

While I wouldnt consider this 'hype' by V5, the entire qoute was 'dont believe the hype, WE'LL BE FINE.'

I would say the later half is the important bit...would you?

 

I concur 

 

 

 

Running the Bulls â€@USFBulls_Rivals  24m24 minutes ago

#USF RB signee Trevon Sands will delay his enrollment due to an  academic issue, but will join the program in '16. https://usf.forums.rivals.com/threads/trevon-sands-to-delay-enrollment.2031/…

 

This one doesn't hurt...I didn't see him making an impact in 2015.  Hopefully he's not another academic casualty, no matter if he comes to USF or not.  I hate to see kids with a chance to get a free ride in college not be able to take advantage.

 

What's tough about him is that he appeared to be fully committed to us for almost a year ... love that long term dedication.

 

I thought Sands committed in 2013.  I think he's been committed for 2 years actually.

 

 

March of 2014 ....  http://247sports.com/Player/Trevon-Sands-34397/TimelineEvents  You may be thinking of Marquise Bryant who committed in 2013 .... but then committed other stuff.

 

Yeah... I could be wrong.  But you're right, the kid was committed for a while and literally USF was the school he wanted to play for.  He grew up a fan... Those are the kids we need.

 

Running the Bulls â€@USFBulls_Rivals  24m24 minutes ago

#USF RB signee Trevon Sands will delay his enrollment due to an  academic issue, but will join the program in '16. https://usf.forums.rivals.com/threads/trevon-sands-to-delay-enrollment.2031/…

 

This one doesn't hurt...I didn't see him making an impact in 2015.  Hopefully he's not another academic casualty, no matter if he comes to USF or not.  I hate to see kids with a chance to get a free ride in college not be able to take advantage.

 

What's tough about him is that he appeared to be fully committed to us for almost a year ... love that long term dedication.

 

I thought Sands committed in 2013.  I think he's been committed for 2 years actually.

 

 

 

Got to feel a little bad for Kennard ... Are there any opportunities at all for him to get on field, non special teams ... barring rash of injuries?

Hey... I checked out the offense from the spring and he'll actually be on the field a lot on 1st and second downs.  The fullback is a H-back and subs in for one of the slots when they run.  They also do the same with TEs... He'll see carries too.  He runs too good not to.  He just has to hold the ball this year.

 

This isn't a passing spread... it's a run first spread.  It's more Auburn than Mizzou

 

I attended a few of the open spring practices and the final scrimmage and I remember seeing him of the field quite a bit.  I'm not sure the spread we run is exactly like Auburns but they are pretty similar. 

 

 

Glad to hear that ... I liked the way he caught the ball ... but only if ....

 

yeah dude... me too...  but only if he doesn't fumble... because he had a case of the dropsies last season.