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3 minutes ago, OhioBull said:

Trust me, there isn’t racism at work here. College football is huge business with tons of money at stake. No one cares about a persons skin color when hiring, they only care about winning and winning big both on and off the field. Is a black coach gets wins then so be it. If they are yellow or purple no one cares. Players also want to play for winners more than they want to play for a person based on skin color. College football is truly a meritocracy both in the view of fans and players. Like I said, hire the best people and win and this discussion becomes moot. It’s truly a waste of time and drags identity politics into a discussion about sports. Drop it.

So you’re saying that white coaches are just more qualified? How else do you explain the drastic differences in %s?

4 minutes ago, Bull Nut said:

You are making the assumption that all players make good coaches. I've worked in sales all my life and can tell you from experience that all sales people do not make good managers, and all managers do not make good sales people. 

Whatever % of them that don’t make good coaches is probably the same regardless of their race. Are you suggestion that black players are less likely to make good coaches? Based on what evidence?

9 minutes ago, MSBulls said:

Went to sleep, woke up, went to work, logged on, read through what I missed. Yep, OP has got to be a troll. Chumming the waters intentionally. Anyway, hope everyone has a great day and enjoys the weather we have rolling in!!

Side note - Saw a comment in here somewhere about the Little Mermaid. I'd like to clarify if we found someone that identified as her, and could develop, coach and recruit... Get her on staff ASAP

If this thread was created by a troll, why are you wasting your time here?

9 minutes ago, Bull Nut said:

Black Americans make up approximately 12% of the US population. From your numbers, black coaches make up approximately 10% FBS head coaches so there's a little room for improvement in that department. 

6 minutes ago, Bull Nut said:

Black Americans make up approximately 12% of the US population. From your numbers, black coaches make up approximately 10% FBS head coaches so there's a little room for improvement in that department. 

That's not the relevant pool. The coaching pool typically is made up of previous players.

There are several exceptions (e.g., Mike Leech) but for the most part coaches are previous players. The pool is the 53% not the general population‘s 12% (e.g., women, children, non-players).

3 minutes ago, OhioBull said:

Who cares what color a persons skin is. I don’t look at it and don’t care. Seriously people this was settled decades ago. Most people are over this. I certainly am. Let’s talk credentials and skill not skin color 

With all due respect that just isn’t the case. 53% of FBS players are black. Has been that high for decades yet there are only 13 black head coaches in all of the FBS. Without Deion joining the fold this year it would have been 12. Clearly not AG’s problem to fix, I’m simply responding to your comment that this is settled business. It isn’t and still will be in the minds of parents hence why I think that showing up with all white staff is tone deaf.

5 minutes ago, Bull Nut said:

I'm not the one that created an all white coaching staff thread when the coaching staff hasn't even been completed. Furthermore, the coaching staff does have people of color. You're just refusing to acknowledge it because it doesn't jive with your agenda. 

I created it because it is the case. Which one of these guys do you consider to be a POC? Looks like all white guys to me. I even posted the photos. Hopefully, AG hires at least one of the speculated POC coaches mentioned in this thread but until then it’s all white guys. If that offends you, then go back to making your hypotheticals and pretending they are real.

9 minutes ago, Bull Nut said:

You forgot to read this part of my post... "Take DS out of the equation, insert black coaching staff names here, would a thread like this still exist here? I truly believe it would not."

You're seeing want to see and it's clearly black and white. 

You’re not dealing with reality. You keep trying to compare something that actual happen to these hypotheticals you keep creating. At the end of the day, AG’s staff is currently all-white, Deion’s staff is as diverse as his players are. Your what-if analysis is pointless when we have actual data on what has happened.

37 minutes ago, Bull Nut said:

Colorado University, the PWI of all PWIs... I just visited their fan forum website and a thread about the skin color of the coaching staff doesn't exist. 

Why would that thread exist? The football coaching team Deion is building is super diverse. The coaching team looks like the players. You’re making it seem like the observation that Alex G only has hired white people came out of nowhere.

3 hours ago, JTrue said:

You're plenty clear. We're hiring 3 black coaches, making us 33% black. But, since they aren't officially coaches, you're mad today and we should be, too. Also, if we were better at football, diversity doesn't matter.

Also, saying black kids only want to go to better schools "from a football perspective" is pretty racist.

Maybe this will be the case. Just hasn’t happened yet. It isn’t just about the #s the roles should be considered as well.

1 hour ago, goingbackbull said:

It's all about the best coach to help your child grow, black white yellow green ect. If a parent doesn't feel that way then they are ****** parents

They aren’t just football players. They are kids that are there to learn how to be men. Football is just the setting. What impact do you think it has on POC when they look up at leadership and none of them look like them. What do you think that does for their self-confidence and future aspirations? 
 

As a black parent, why would I believe this is the best place for my kid if black coaches aren’t employed? Who cares what he says, look at what he does and who he hires. If you ever play sports you’ll know that the coach is like your away dad while you’re on campus. If the coach is already showing bias for being around white coaches, why wouldn’t I think he has the same bias for mentoring white kids?

7 hours ago, MSBulls said:

Time will tell how it plays out. By your measure, Scott's staff had exactly what you're looking for and look how much of a disaster their recruiting and developing was. Not worth wasting time baiting with a post like this in my opinion. You're literally implying this staff can't coach, recruit and manage student athletes because there's not enough diversity on staff for you. 

We'll see how Golesh and this staff do, and hope for the best. If this is the best staff we could assemble then let's get behind and support. If it isn't, then that's an issue for MK and Golesh to fix. Only time will tell.

This post is BS. You equating diversity with incompetence. They are not linked in anyway. 

1 hour ago, Bull Nut said:

I agree with most of what you said... I just feel the op pulled out the race card prematurely. The final staff isn't even assembled, so let's all pump the brakes before making accusations about the coaching staff and its whiteness.

 

And to play devil's advocate and echo what others have said: let's say we hire Deion and most of the staff was black, this thread or one like it wouldn't exist. Which brings up the issue of reverse discrimination towards a predominantly white coaching staff. 

 

I don't care if the coaching staff is made up of unicorns and elves, just win for the love of God! Go Bulls! 

First off, nobody pulled any race cards. I simply pointed out a fact that literally you and most of the commenters couldn’t handle. All Alex G’s coaches have been white up to the date of this post. He named 6 key coaching spots and every single one is a white male. There is 1 non-position coach left and both OL and DL is filled. I’m not saying that he won’t add more POC at some point but it hasn’t happened and key roles are getting filled.

Regarding your point about waiting until the damage is done to say something. IMO that is dumb. Awareness should be raised while there is still something that can be done. Maybe an email to MK or AG is warranted before we continue down the road we are on. 
 

Your hypothetical is BS. I would prefer that my kids go to a school with diversity instead of one with just people that look like me. You, and several others in this thread, have been trying to twist my POV using ridiculous hyperbole and hypotheticals because you don’t seem to have anything intelligent to add to the conversation about the point I made. Alex has to walk into black, brown, and white homes with a team composed of all white dudes and try to convince the parents he is going to take good care of their kids. Most kids aren’t making the league so it isn’t all about football like many of the people here seem to think. They have no idea of the commitment that is made to the parents and what that expectation looks like. It has very little to do with winning when your kid isn’t a high stared recruit with league or nothing aspirations.

I want him to succeed but I don’t think he is going to win many hearts and minds of people showing up with a team that looks like a boardroom from the 1970s.

12 minutes ago, Brandon_Bull said:

I guess evaluation of qualifications and past successes are not high on your selection criteria list.

Of course it is. What are you suggesting? 

Feels like you are suggesting that this group represents the best of the best and making it more diverse would lower its quality.

13 minutes ago, JTrue said:

You're plenty clear. We're hiring 3 black coaches, making us 33% black. But, since they aren't officially coaches, you're mad today and we should be, too. Also, if we were better at football, diversity doesn't matter.

Also, saying black kids only want to go to better schools "from a football perspective" is pretty racist.

You said that not me. I honestly find it a pretty silly thing to say since many of our students are black and we are pretty bad at football. If I remember correctly we were 3 away from being the worst in FBS.

3 minutes ago, JTrue said:

 

But... he's only been in shadows. And, he can't go into black recruits' homes and recruit them!

To be clear, approximately 40% of the coaching staff at UT was non-white males. So the potential concern I’m raising didn’t exist at UT. Furthermore, it is a better school from a football perspective.

4 minutes ago, MaBull said:

The dumbest most useless thread I’ve ever seen in this blog. A waste of time and energy.

Then why are you here posting on page 9?

5 minutes ago, olafberserker said:

Has he never recruited a "black" player before?

Has he really recruited anybody? This is his first head coaching job and he has been largely in the shadows. I’m concerned if he doesn’t show up to some of these parents houses with a diverse coaching staff he is going to run into issues.

7 minutes ago, deters- said:

Ironic the people who want race to not be important factors, seem to make everything about race.... You're inventing problems that aren't there and diversity is inherently racist to begin with. You're complaining too many white coaches, but what if it was all black? Would you complain still? If not, it's not about diversity and more about you just being anti-white. Humans in general aren't keen to diversity. Ethnic and racial groups tend to cluster naturally with similar individuals. No matter how hard you force it, it ain't gonna work out how you want it to. Focus your energy into something more productive and you won't be so angry at the world. 

“Diversity is inherently racist”. I disagree. I believe that diversity makes teams better.
 

“what if it was all black?”. Then it would be equally not diverse. 

2 minutes ago, BullsWinBucsWin said:

Should've posted this immediately after CAG was hired.  "All white coaching staff"!!!!

Didn’t need to rush. It is still true. Hopefully that will change at some point soon.

5 minutes ago, Grateful Dad said:

How do you know how much diversity is included in the group so far?  If you truly understood diversity, you would know that it extends much broader than black and white.

I was part of an all white six person work group in an HR dept.  My department head told me that one of the City Commissioners (who is African-American) publicly criticized us for a lack of diversity.  I laughed at him and explained that in just six people we had:

• Three males, three females
• Four of us over forty
• Three of us veterans
• One Hispanic
• One disabled
• Four w/college degrees, two without

I informed my department head that perhaps we didn't have the "right" diversity - You know, the only one that counts.  He didn't laugh.

To clarify, racial diversity.

11 minutes ago, Bull Nut said:

Then just say that you're a racist and we can all move on. 

More gaslighting? Lol If you don’t believe in diversity, fine. I’m not asking you to change. But I’m not going to respond to your obvious attempts to gaslight me because you have nothing intelligent to say.

9 minutes ago, Triple B said:

You're speaking for all parents and donors now? I'm sure there are plenty out there who have evolved and not noticing stuff like this. Diversity just for the sake of diversity is just plain wrong and counter productive ....... although I do get where it came from, considering that racism was rampant in this country for so long but at some point you've got to move on

Having said that, I'm sure there are, sadly, still cases out there where the lack of diversity is based on racism and those should be dealt with severely, if that is indeed the case.

All? Why not some. I’m certain there are many donors, stakeholders, and parents that don’t care at all about diversity, equity, or inclusion. You need to go no further than this thread to see that. Nothing but a bunch of gaslighting, assumptions, and angry people for just mentioning the fact that the coaching staff is all white men.

5 minutes ago, Triple B said:

You're speaking for all parents and donors now? I'm sure there are plenty out there who have evolved and not noticing stuff like this. Diversity just for the sake of diversity is just plain wrong and counter productive ....... although I do get where it came from, considering that racism was rampant in this country for so long but at some point you've got to move on

Having said that, I'm sure there are, sadly, still cases out there where the lack of diversity is based on racism and those should be dealt with severely, if that is indeed the case.

It is the case. Do you really think it is over? Wish I could live in your world. 
 

That is besides the point. I don’t know Alex G or any of his team. I simply know what has been announced. As of this moment (may change in the future), his staff is all white men. 

23 minutes ago, WhoRUSF said:

I would see zero problem if Sanders did that. I simply disagree that every group in society needs to be perfectly representative of demographics at all time.  Your focus is clearly not where it needs to be. 

On a rarely talked about aspect of that issue, maybe there is a chance of synergy with people of similar cultures? On the flip side, maybe it leads to comfortability which can be negative. I don't actually know the answer here, but neither do you. 

At the end of the day, society is trying to get rid itself of actual racism. And when you complain every time a group is not a direct representation of demographics, it honestly makes race relations worse. People start conflating actual racism with this type of micro management. 

You are missing my point and making another. I never said anything about racism just that having an all white staff may make it difficult to recruit POC. Think of it another way, if you were a black student getting recruited by an organization. One org has people that look like you in leadership roles, the other does not. Assume all else is equal which are you going to want to work for? Not that you want to work for people that look like you, just that you may think (right or wrong) that the one that is all white won’t promote you.