Orlando Bull

So... we're just not going to call the facemask when BB broke out of the pocket? Cool cool. 

Didn't love the play calling, would like to see us pretend like we belong and run an aggressive offense. 

In any event, need another defensive stand, liked the effort on that side of the ball on the first series. 

9 minutes ago, Friscobull said:

A serious question, has anyone ever remembered a USF team going into a game so overmatched, if so when?

Probably the last time we played Alabama. 

Can you imagine though... if he was here, this would basically be our play-in game for the playoffs. He would win every other game with ease and if he could have won this one, no way we wouldn't be the talk of the nation and a lock for playoffs. Oh well, let's hope no one gets injured tomorrow. 

Say what you want about BB, but several moments when we have needed a play, he's made it. That 3rd down to Atkins was huge and obviously that last throw was clutch. I'll take it, let him grow and see what we have. 

Just now, Outlaw said:

The pocket is so small and the offensive line isn't holding versus an fcs team. Bama is going to eat all day. We may need see 4 Quaterbacks.

It's brutal. Hopefully Browns night is done. All QBs need to get time because this OL isn't going to o protect one guy for a full season, multiple QBs will absolutely be needed. 

Just now, G25C said:

Now Three missed TDs.

I mean, I would like to see the wr put his hands out, didn't miss it by much. But, you keep pointing out every incompletion if it makes you feel better. 

We're going to blow this open in the second half, they are going to be fatigued and not able to keep up. I like the pace, makes up for some talent gap. Our defense is going to be gassed by the end of the first next week. We'll have a lot of 3 and outs and they will be on the field a lot. 

For our conference, if we clean it up, we can hang with most teams I think. 

Just now, slowdown said:

These throws may be a little off but these WRs have to make the play

Yeah, that was a bad bad throw, but there was no defender and the ball was up there for enough time to adjust. Totally on Brown, but we as fans put too much on the QB, there are 10 other guys out there that can make a play. Not saying he should have caught it, but he had time to adjust, sit there, and catch the ball. 

I'll also say that as fans, we see that as a BB miss, but for all we know, the play was to run 15 yards and settle, receiver may have seen green grass and adjusted for the home run, but we don't know one way or the other for certain. The way BB ripped it, it didn't feel like a home run ball type throw. 

Just now, 94 Bull said:

Why the long pass on 4th? Get the first!

Why not, the play was perfect, ball has to be caught. I get it, but the play was there, guys have to execute. 

42 minutes ago, bullsbucsfan426 said:

Brown needs to get his deep ball fixed. That wide open overthrow to tie the game is lingering in my mind. He's a redshirt freshman, I trust him to get it right with coaching, but he does need to fix it. We know he's got the ability-just needs consistency. The fumble TD was a blindside hit, I would put that more on the OL than on him, but the INTs could have been avoided. 

This team's biggest weakness is the OL and I know it was a point of priority in the off season. A more experience OL coach would have been preferred, but at this point Hoodie is going to need to coach them up. he definitely has some recruiting ability to get the players that came in (even with CAG's assistance). 

Keep seeing this mentioned, not just by you... and he needs to hit it, but... he hit Brown early in the game on one. He also hit Simmons on the left side, but for some reason, Simmons jumped for the ball instead of just running under it and taking it in for the score. Simmons jumped for another one later in the game that also didn't require it, kid's eyes may need to get checked for depth perception. I don't mean that as a joke, he really appeared to have misjudged 2 catchable passes.

Every QB misses passes, some are magnified because of the situation, but don't discount the ones he made where someone else missed their assignment, or the OL needed to give him another second to make a good throw.

I think we're really going to miss Weaver and Horn this year. I think between weak OL and WRs that can't get open quickly (Horn) or catch contested balls (Weaver), it's a bad combination.

6 minutes ago, TheUpperHand said:

He's making $5.5 million vs Golesh's $2.5 million. His assistant pool is slightly higher ($5 million vs $4.5 million). His buyout is $15 million vs Golesh's $3 million. Other stipulations:

1. Sanders is permitted to wear Nike on the sidelines vs CUs Under Armor. We have an Adidas contract. Would we have risked our contract with our apparel provider?
2. Guaranteed contract renegotiation after Year 3.
3. $200,000 private jet allowance.
4. $100,000 for six wins (Golesh gets $10,000 for eight wins).
5. $100,000 more for each win after six (Golesh gets nothing more).
6. $75,000/$150,000 to play/win conference championship (Golesh gets $25,000/$50,000)
7. $150,000 for a bowl appearance (Golesh gets $25,000/$50,000 to appear/win)
8. $75,000 for conference coach of the year (Golesh gets nothing more).
9. Sanders' son must be allowed to be the starting QB

Let's say in an alternate timeline, we bag Deion Sanders and he wins 9 games, a conference title, and win a bowl game. That will cost us $11.5 million. If Golesh does the same, it costs us $7.1 million. Plus a much larger buyout if he fails to perform as well as a possible bent over the barrel situation after Year 3 during contract negotiations. That's not even taking into account the fact that we would have had to beat not match CUs offer to Saders. That's a lot of risk to put into a guy who has performed only at the FCS level. 

After Game 1, I think it's clear that Sanders performed well above expectations and it's looking like a real smart move. Would I prefer to have him over CAG right now? Probably -- his ego rubs me the wrong way as well as the way he played the negotiation situation. But he got results and he overhauled the team with some great talent. But time will tell down the stretch whether it would have been worth tying over unheard of resources in him.

Also, consider this: the ceiling for CU is a lot higher than USF. They've got Oregon, Utah, USC, etc. on their schedule. If they win 10 games, they're a Top-10 team. We have Charlotte, Rice, FAU, etc. If we win 10 games, we might be Top 20 at best. Do we need an $11 million+ per year staff for that type of schedule? I don't know that the payoff in the AAC would be worth it.

In a word... yes to all of it. We are a program on life support. Forget his record at JSU, the fact that he brought in the number 1 recruit to play at an FCS school tells me what I need to know. People want to play for him. Fans want to cheer for him. In this conference, you recruit well enough and you win. CWT showed us that. CWT is not a good coach (FSU-CWT proves this).

In your scenario above, his value ($$) almost certainly makes up the ~$4M delta between him and Goach. What's the value of potentially getting in on a conference realignment vs staying where we are? If there was ANY scenario where VPMK could have made him come here, we better not find out that there was some sticking point that held it up.

Desperate times call for desperate measures. Ladies and gents, there has never been more desperation than there was this past off-season. I'm not ready to say Goach will be a bad hire, I saw some good things, but we needed a home run, not a solid single to start the inning. After Prime went to CU, we really should have turned to Leavitt. We simply cannot endure another losing season, losing fan base, losing hope. We can't.

Just now, hm101 said:

WHY IS BB STILL IN THE GAME

I'm about to throw my laptop in the river 

Maybe coach wants him to have to get a new kidney?

Receivers look like they are jogging in their routes right now. I know the game is over, but show a little desire. 

What's with Simmons jumping about a half second early instead of just running to the ball?

1 minute ago, Rocky Style said:

That's going to kill us this year.

Seriously, Alabama may quite literally take a life

Glad we're the same as always. How many of you expected to win? How many think changing QBs every week is the answer, the other guy is always better right? It's ugly, but when the OL doesn't block, it's hard as hell to evaluate the rest of the team.

Great job there 70, not many people can miss a block and a tackle on the same play. 

Late to the party, watching on my phone until now. Glad coach Go went with Brown, kid is going to be fine, o line needs to give him some time. 

Just now, Bull Matrix said:

Why would he want to go to a G5 job over a P5 job? 

I get it, but at the time, the talks were that he wanted to much control, too much money, etc. Just saying that nothing should have been too much to actually be taken seriously on the football field again. 

We should have sold our souls for Prime. I don't care even a little bit about Colorado, but they are exciting. We need exciting. We need people to watch us and think they have been missing out. The way people did when we were good, when random people would tune in and see a tenacious defense take control of a game. 

Hope coach Go has something for us to be excited about today. 

Its hard to compare.

Holtz - got left with a talented roster, but some players and certainly a ton of us fans were not happy with how he came to be our coach. I supported him and hoped for the best, but in the end, when things started going south, it was too easy to say that we should have never fired CJL.

Tags was a good fit here, he's a bad coach in my opinion, but he knew that he could recruit better talent than our opponents in most cases. He was very close to shooting himself in the foot by holding on to his own offense for too long and not letting Q do his thing. His teams out-talented their way to most wins, not some masterful coaching by him.

CCS - I was a fan of this hire. I think Strong is a decent coach and was at one time a tremendous recruiter. I think the Texas job was bad for him because his recruiting ties were to Florida. At UL, they are fine with recruiting FL, but in Texas, there is plenty of local talent, why come to FL to get players. I think he failed there because he couldn't quite get his footing. When he came here, I hoped that he would work hard and use his connections to get back in the game, but I think he looked at this job as "beneath" him and not worthy of working hard for. I would bet that he negotiated against himself saying "i am not going to waste my energy recruiting that guy, he's going somewhere better". His heart wasn't in this job, and that was clear pretty much from day 1. I think as a coach, he had the chops to succeed here, but you can't force someone to actually apply themselves.

CJS - I don't know. CCS didn't leave him much, but he never really fit in here. Ultimately, we need someone maybe a little rough around the edges and he's too "clean" for our program. We're surrounded by talent, but would Q or JPP, or Mack, or DJ, or anyone else really... have been wowed by Jeff Scott? Then, he couldn't settle on any real scheme, didn't seem like a teaching style coach. Maybe good for donors, but showed no progress on the field. Definitely our worst hire. The others probably all could have been successful under certain circumstances or attitudes, I think that no amount of change around this guy would have made him successful here.

Ian Randolph, Skinny Raymond

Amarri Jackson for one glorious game that signaled that USF could be something, I thought for sure he was going to be a star for us.

I'm with the Sheriff on this one, I don't continue to hold a grudge, but when I see him playing, I automatically think about that fumble. In every game, there are moments one can point to that was huge one way or another, but Q was the most clutch player I have ever witnessed. The kid could go 5-20 in the first 3 quarters and then flip a switch in the 4th and make crazy plays to lead his team to a win. In my soul, I will always believe that he would have scored a TD on that drive if Wilcox didn't fumble that ball... is that the reason we lost? Maybe not, there are possibly other reasons, but I would argue that he took away the chance for Q to take it and go WIN.

21 minutes ago, Brad said:

And don't forget the portal...my point before.  We've not had a coach leave after USF SUCCESS in the era of the Portal and with the player no longer having to sit.

Deion could take everyone he wants with him as could Golesh.  It's a brutal stepping stone life.

The only thing with this is that often times, the coaches with big egos tend to look down on their current situation. I would guess that if Tags could have taken Q to Oregon, he probably wouldn't have... his ego probably made him feel like Q is a nice player in the American, but in the PAC, I have Justin Herbert... while this may be true-ish, I would be willing to bet that Q would win more games than Herbert, even in the PAC. When coaches are looking at a job as a stepping stone, most will only see the smallest percent of their current players as being worthy of taking with them to their newer better job.

Sanders may not be that way because he's going to be punching above his class with recruiting.

BUT... I don't know about Golesh, the only comparison I have is to Taggart and my gut feel on how he felt about this program.