slowdown

1 minute ago, ForestBull said:

Uhhh Tice?

DJ had a couple nce runs in Q2, we just didn't string them together

Just now, DELdaBull said:

On pace for 40 to 14. Take it 

Amazing right.  I would also suggest that our run game was quite good that second quarter and will be as the game goes on

Just now, Orlando Bull said:

O line sucks again. Standing around watching. Should have been PI on the pass to Salomon. 

Would have been if he had made more of an effort

Salomon has to make a better adjustment there

Found a USF player that can catch

1 minute ago, Gismo said:

Our offense is really under performing so far. They have had great field position all game. Dumb play calls and false starts. Shame.

I assume all the play calls on the false starts were winners though

2 minutes ago, OJayCee said:

Play action would have been an amazing call

I would not say amazing. It would have been an easy one.  We didn't need an amazing call there

Just now, ToroDeFuego said:

At what point do you stand up against bad officials?

False starts and delay of game is not debatable. Not sure about the call on Q

2 minutes ago, El_Toro_86 said:

May be sacrilege but Tice > DJ 

Get dj involved in other ways.  That's how he has the most value and wrs have issues catching anyway. It's nice to rotate them fresh but also nice to have your best players out there together

1 minute ago, slaterson said:

temple just wore down. keep pounding the rock.

This is why I don't get as frustrated as most with the seeming lack of variety in the run game.  Our best weapons run the ball and they will break

9 hours ago, Apis Bull said:

It looked like he hit with his facemask to me, which is not targetting

https://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2016/9/7/12829482/targeting-penalty-rulebook-ncaa-football

It wasn't particularly nasty but it definitely qualifies him for the ejection. Also I was not seeing Senats point about the hands.  Why would you ever explode through the QB with your hands.  He must've knew it was late or he would've been tackling him.  He's playing too aggressive.

Sawtelles call was total BS

7 minutes ago, JTrue said:

I have no experience flying a plane, but I can still tell you when it's not working. The skill lies in keeping it in the air.

I have flown a lot.   there are always some crying babies and people freaking out about minor turbulence 😀

2 hours ago, Mama_Bull said:

Joey Knight‏ @TBTimes_Bulls  34m34 minutes ago

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#USF OC Sterlin Gilbert on the offense: "There's stuff that's still coming to be implemented and installed..." (Just as I suspected)

Oh that sounds great but did you see that one play he called against Baylor last year?  Clearly there is no hope for this offense

10 hours ago, Bull Daly said:

This!! I just think it may take a few seasons before this staff gets to where they want to be. USF fans will need to be patient 

Look at Gilbert's track record at Texas, Tulsa, and Eastern Illinois they all saw huge improvement in year one. The other coaches in this offensive tree have seen similar year one improvement at Houston, Baylor, and Syracuse. There is overwhelming evidence that it doesn't take a few seasons.

Maybe tellingly, that did not occur so much at Bowling Green where they had a pretty good offense the year before, but took a small step back in year one.  

This offense might look better in a couple years but that doesn't mean it can't be good this year.

1 hour ago, Flowers4Heisman said:

 

Wow, an obsessed fan found a bad play.  Definitive proof that Gilbert is an idiot.

Other things that guy left out:

1. Texas went from 92nd in total offense in 2015 to 16th with a true freshman QB in 2016.

2. Texas scored 35 points in this game, had 548 yards offense, and won

3. They scored twice on that play, out of that formation, in that game.

4. The running back there had a career high of 250 yards that day

If you take a snapshot of anyone in this world you can make them look as bad as you want.  It's what this offense does over the course of the season that is going to matter.

55 minutes ago, El_Toro_86 said:

Watch the offensive highlights from the UT/ Notre Dame game.  It's the same plays we've seen already and I doubt he was playing close to the vest against ND.

first game in new offense, true freshman, im sure no one would ever call a conservative game in that situation.  

you should find a better example of how terrible he is than that time they had 500 yards and 37 / 50 points. 

1 hour ago, Hem said:

 

I could be the OC at USF right now. Replace Rodney Adams with Barr or Solomon, lets Tice and DJ do their thing, and repeat 2016 plays. No need to reinvent the wheel here. 

lol, Barr can't even catch the football and we saw several times last year he can not create like Rodney on the hitches and jet sweeps.  Solomon is a completely different type of WR. Tice and DJ have never shown the ability to score at any time.  We went from having three players who could score at any time, with a nice assortment of players around them, to having one player who could score at any time and mostly the same assortment of players around them, except with less talent on the line.

It totally changes everything when you don't have 3 guys like that.  There is no way to defend 3 guys like that.  We could probably have run that same stuff as last year and have the athletic advantage to have performed better over the first two games, but that wouldn't hold true throughout the season.   You can't simply replace better players with worse, do the same things, and get the same results.

5 minutes ago, JTrue said:

On my list of things I'm concerned about with this team, the fact that Gilbert didn't photocopy plays for his offense ranks pretty low.

Hopefully the offense picks it up, but if not I really see the lack of physical playbook becoming this years, "DC Woodie not on the field" complaint.  

5 minutes ago, Gismo said:

We have seen the offense. We have played two full games where we struggled against much lesser opponents. Offensive staff is not performing. This offense may be good for 6-8 wins this year. 

we also saw 1 quarter where they kind of opened it up.  we scored 28 pts. I'm not convinced our coaching staff is unaware of that.  

49 minutes ago, Bull94 said:

I said he wasn't all that effective and I should have put "compared to him running in the GCO" but I assumed you knew I was comparing pre offense change Mack to post change Mack.

 

Obviously he is better than who we have but it's also obvious that he/they were/would be far more effective in the GCO.

 

 

 the thread was about missing Mack so I would think the more relevant discussion of effectiveness here is Mack vs who we have now.  I would also say that within the objectives of that offense, his numbers were still very effective, in 2009 5.5 ypc got Gerhart a runner up to the Heisman.   Mack was almost there as a true freshman before the team actually had talent around him.

And an interesting note: Tice and Johnson's YPC numbers in the GCO were actually still less than Mack's were before the GCO.  

1 minute ago, Bull94 said:

and yet his YPC went up almost 2 full yards per carry from his freshman year to his junior year. take out that 275 yard game in his first ever game where he averaged 11.4 ypc and his yards per carry his freshman year would have been 4.3 ypc vs 6.8 ypc his junior year.

 

maybe you forget that the first 4 games in his 2nd year he had 73 carries for 393 yards. sure that was over 5.3 ypc but then he exploded for games against Syracuse 20 for 184, Temple 21 for 230 UConn 13 for 117.

he went 137 for 988 the rest of the way which was 7.2 ypc.

I forgot nothing. You said he wasn't effective.  He was, period.  Maybe more effective after the offense was opened up, but our two backs just went for 1.8 ypc. 

44 minutes ago, Bull94 said:

sorry but Mack wasn't all that effective against a stacked box either. their safeties this week were no more than 7 yards from the line. the reason Mack had so much space to run in was because we stretched the field. safeties couldn't play in the box against us. yes he was a tremendous back but our offense allowed him to run free in space a lot of the time. we didn't just run him up the middle into a stacked box all game every game.

Totally inaccurate.  Mack was an effective player from his first game here, and we did not open the offense up until game 5 of his second year. (17/36).  Half his career yardage was actually in that terrible offense where the box was always stacked. 

and Amichia and Threat.  We lost three of our better players ever in Mack, Adams, and Amichia.  When you have 3 players who can score at any time it certainly helps.  When you have one, that can be gameplanned against. Underrated factor on the message boards, IMO.  

Doesn't mean the gameplans havent been lacking so far though.

1 hour ago, BrowardBull17 said:

Hard for me to see a guy riding with his wife and kid being the aggressor but who knows?

If non aggressive people shot people over traffic incidents we'd be burying half of Florida in a week. 

10 hours ago, Triple B said:

Was 3rd and 23 from the 1, thanks mainly to Mr Norman. While QF probably wasn't getting a first down, he probably wasn't throwing a game ending pick either .... but part of the blame there goes to the calling of a pass play for a cold qb, especially at that field position.

Don't forget the blocking wasn't good on that play either.   No doubt we would all rather have had QF in there though.