gobulls83

Except, continuing to buy tickets and such can contribute to turning things around at USF through both financial contribution and fan support that attracts a higher quality of student athlete. Giving your kid donuts in no way helps combat his obesity. It's more like not giving your kid any food at all to combat their obesity.

Though I do agree with you that it's stupid to try and define good fans vs not-good-enough fans. It's all up to a person's own judgments and situation. It's dumb to try and make one rule about it that covers all situations.

Graduate level.

"Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. Fool me three, four, five times, and you should put me in a ******* mental hospital."

Quadratic formula? I think he's more likely gunning for high school math teacher.

It's a math teacher at UCF. I know, weird that he would teach math at UCF and be an assistant coach at USF, but then, Woolard never has been someone whose decisions made much sense.

 

 

I predict a 12 game season.

I have zero expectations. 

 

Obviously NOT buying season tickets.

 

We are buying season  tickets, have since day 1 and will make our annual donation too!

 

Years from now, when USF is winning its seventh consecutive national title and running its winning streak to 80 games, those of us who kept contributing through this rough time will be so glad we did.

I haven't lived in Florida for almost five years, and I almost stopped buying season tickets before the 2012 season, but decided to keep it going and do my best to find buyers for each game - easier said than done at the moment. But I am totally confident I will live to be grateful for my decision to stay on board.

And just like that he leaves to go to Louisville. So I'm glad still we did not go that ridiculous route that many of you screamed for.

Bingo, a perfect illustration of why any school is silly to hire this guy. Thank you for dragging this thread up. I bet Western Kentucky are really thrilled they went that route now. And in a year or two, when Petrino is sneaking around trying to find yet another job, Louisville will be wondering why they went back to him.

USF could have had Petrino, but then right now the university would be going through its third head coaching hire in four years. I'm not totally convinced Taggart is the man to lead USF to glory, but he's a hell of a lot better than Petrino, that is for sure.

Well in that case, congratulations on your grasp of the obvious I guess?

I guess I just made the mistake of believing you were trying to contribute something to the conversation. I think it's impossible to read that story (which I'm pretty sure you didn't) and not see this as a very strange decision by Jurich. Doesn't mean it's wrong, but it pretty clearly shows why it's risky. Jurich already trusted him once, and was wrong. Arthur Blanc, owner of the Falcons, trusted him, and was wrong. Arkansas trusted him, and was wrong. Western Kentucky trusted him, and he bolted after a year, though that one is far less shocking or unusual. What reason is there to believe it will end any differently this time?

 

 

I guess you and one of the top ADs in the country will have to agree to disagree.

Amazing that ADs are only infallible when you agree with them. I guess I must be wrong that Steve Kragthorpe was a bad hire for Louisville. After all, Jurich hired him.

Really? You've now decided Jurich isn't a good AD because of that hire? Give me your list of better ADs, just for comparison sake.

 

Where did I say that? Did you actually read what I wrote? You implied that I must be wrong because "one of the top ADs in the country" has a different opinion. All I said was, just because he's the one who made a decision doesn't mean it was automatically the right one - he made a catastrophically poor hire in the past. What a baffling response.

And in addition to the poor hire of Kragthorpe, his decision to trust Bobby Petrino in the past was also a poor decision, the very thing that led to Steve Kragthorpe: Louisville head coach.

Jurich's own words are right there in the story. His actions now are not only contradicting my opinion, but his own words then.

I'm sure we'll hear what he has to say about it eventually.

I guess you and one of the top ADs in the country will have to agree to disagree.

Amazing that ADs are only infallible when you agree with them. I guess I must be wrong that Steve Kragthorpe was a bad hire for Louisville. After all, Jurich hired him.

On the other hand, USF did have two very memorable wins over Petrino's Louisville, coming in USF's first games in Conference USA and Big East coincidentally enough. It's a shame they're leaving and we won't get to renew that tradition.

Because he's hiring a football coach, not a priest. He knows exactly what he's getting and so does the president of the university.

Total garbage. If his dishonest, scumbag behavior were irrelevant, he never would have been fired at Arkansas. You don't think that had a negative impact on the future of their football team? Of course it did. And his first job after that humiliation wouldn't have been at Western Kentucky.

And then of course there are the countless other coaches in the history of the sport forced out because of their unacceptable behavior and questionable morals.

Just to clear up a fact I got wrong: Petrino only signed one contract extension with Louisville, six months before he walked out on it to join the Falcons. But it was three consecutive offseasons that Petrino interviewed for other jobs, including interviewing at Auburn in secretive, shady fashion at one point. If you doubt that Tom Jurich is failing to learn from a mistake here, check out what he and Petrino had to say at the time Petrino signed that extension:

LOUISVILLE — University of Louisville athletic director Tom Jurich does not expect suitors to stop pursuing football coach Bobby Petrino despite the 10-year contract worth at least $25.5 million the coach signed Thursday.

 

But he does expect Petrino to stop listening after becoming one of the highest-paid coaches in college football.

 

"I fully expect him to turn his back on other jobs," Jurich said.

 

"Granted, if it's the New England Patriots and its $10 million or something, he needs to take it. ... But we've spent a great deal of time talking about this. I know that some great jobs are about to come open and he's going to be at the top of a lot of lists. It's my job to put together a package that's attractive enough to keep him, and that's what we've tried to do. He put a lot of thought into this. I truly believe this is where he wants to build a legacy."

 

That was Petrino's message Thursday.

 

"For me and for my family, Louisville is home," he told Louisville's athletic board.

 

The coach, who has interviewed for other jobs after each of his three seasons at Louisville, said the new contract is intended to send a message.

Jurich offered to do deals with shorter terms, but said Petrino in the end wanted the long-term deal. And Petrino insisted on including a $1 million buyout clause, the first buyout that Jurich ever has put into a Louisville contract.

 

"We did want to make a statement," Petrino said. " ... I also wanted to make sure that everyone understood — and I know I've said it — that this is where my family wants to be and where I want to be. But I want everyone to really believe it when it is said."

 

Asked later if he was emphatically telling other teams not to pursue him, Petrino said, "Yeah. That's why we did the buyout. That's why I wanted the buyout, so everybody understands that."

 

Petrino will make $1.6 million in base salary next season. But he'll also have more than $700,000 available in performance incentives, plus a $1 million loyalty bonus if he's still the coach through next June. Those bonuses and incentives could push his compensation to a level occupied by only a handful of college football coaches.

 

His base salary will rise steadily to a maximum of $2.6 million in 2016. His incentive package will be worth a possible $1 million at that time. The contract also offers million-dollar loyalty bonuses to be awarded in 2010 and 2013, and a $2 million bonus if he completes the contract.

It is a dramatic turn in what has been a sometimes-strained relationship.

 

Near the end of his first season at Louisville, Petrino interviewed secretly with Auburn while that school still had a coach, and while denying publicly that he had spoken to the school.

 

After his second season, Petrino interviewed with Louisiana State just a week after agreeing to a contract extension that raised his guaranteed salary to $1 million. That prompted a tense period in which Jurich admitted to thoughts of not retaining Petrino as coach.

 

This past spring, Petrino interviewed with the Oakland Raiders but wound up turning down a four-year deal worth a reported $20 million. And that offer, according to both Petrino and Jurich, forced the coach to weigh whether he truly wanted to move on.

Jurich said any tension the two have had in their relationship is in the past.

 

"You know me, I can get mad, but I can also forgive," Jurich said.

 

"... I said before that I think he loves the chase. But he's not the same person he was. In these talks, he's been a different guy. I've been wrong before, but I believe in his desire to be here. I believe he's genuine about not wanting to be an NFL guy. And, if you are going to leave for another college job, where is it going to be? I honestly believe we're making this into one of the best in the country."

 

The salary increase also represents the school's most significant financial commitment to football since the building of Papa John's Cardinal Stadium.

Petrino's base salary when he was hired for the 2003 season was $450,000. John L. Smith was making $800,000, including incentives, when he departed in 2002. Louisville assistants received a significant boost in pay after last season and are due for another raise this month.

 

Jurich said that the athletic department is well-situated to handle the added expense. Louisville athletics ran a $2 million surplus last season, its first in the Big East, and Jurich said much of that will be plowed directly back into Petrino's compensation. Louisville received bonuses from the Big East this past season for its second-place football finish and its appearance in the Toyota Gator Bowl.

 

"We've had some good years financially," Jurich said. "We had some good revenue from television and from the Gator Bowl. We're only scratching the surface financially with the Big East. And the new revenue, to a large degree, is going to be based on how the football program does.

 

"It behooved us to invest in the football program at this time. Expanding Papa John's Cardinal Stadium is now our top priority, but this plan was put together without figuring that expansion in. It's something we felt we could do and needed to do."

 

Louisville president James Ramsey said he hopes the contract ensures stability. "This is a very important day for the entire university," Ramsey said. "... It makes a huge statement, not just to Bobby and athletics, but to our long-term goals at the university. Stability in the athletic program is absolutely critical to me. ... For all the things we're committed to, we need the best people. We want to go out and get them, and when we get them, we're going to keep them."

This was six months before Petrino walked out on the deal. SIX MONTHS! Anyone who trusts this guy is a fool. For Jurich to do it after already having egg on his face from trusting him in the past is baffling.

 

Well, the crow I'm eating is delicious, thanks. Looks like Petrino is heading back home after all.

 

I still don't think it will end well for Louisville, and I have to wonder about the balance of power between the administration and Petrino - this really feels like an endorsement of his slimeball behavior. I have no ill feelings toward Louisville, but no respect for Petrino; I really hope this blows up in Louisville's face. Time will tell.

 

It's probably true that Petrino burned fewer bridges in leaving Louisville than he did the Falcons or Arkansas, but he left that team in such poor shape... Maybe it was all Kragthorpe, I just think Petrino has a track record that suggests he probably should at least share the blame.

 

I think a LOT of it was Kragthorpe. The cards went from Orange bowl champions  (just missing out on a NC shot) to 6-6, to 4-8 in his final year. It says much that Kragthrope has been demoted from an OC to an admin assistant at LSU since. I heard he also has Parkinson's, which probably has something to do with it (not making light, it's very sad). 

 

Yeah I would be inclined to believe that, if the Falcons and Arkansas (7-17 since Petrino left) weren't so poor after Petrino left too. But it's not something that can be answered definitively. I agree that at least it was more Kragthorpe than Petrino, if Petrino is to blame at all.

There's also the fact that for two straight offseasons, he leveraged other job offers into improved contract terms from Louisville, then walked out on his long-term contract anyway the next offseason. And the slimy way he left Atlanta. And the scandal that forced his exit at Arkansas. The guy's a liar, a jerk, and an embarrassment to his employers.

Someone on Around the Horn just made an interesting point: Louisville's outgoing coach, Charlie Strong, is a winner who has a near-universal great reputation as a coach and as a person. I've never heard a bad thing about Charlie Strong. He wins, and is a positive face for the university's athletics. Bobby Petrino is the total opposite: He may win games (we'll see if that continues), but there is a greater chance that he will do something to embarrass the university than there is a chance that he won't.

Well, the crow I'm eating is delicious, thanks. Looks like Petrino is heading back home after all.

I still don't think it will end well for Louisville, and I have to wonder about the balance of power between the administration and Petrino - this really feels like an endorsement of his slimeball behavior. I have no ill feelings toward Louisville, but no respect for Petrino; I really hope this blows up in Louisville's face. Time will tell.

It's probably true that Petrino burned fewer bridges in leaving Louisville than he did the Falcons or Arkansas, but he left that team in such poor shape... Maybe it was all Kragthorpe, I just think Petrino has a track record that suggests he probably should at least share the blame.

"It's just funny reading gobulls83 logic on why he will fail"

Repeating it over and over doesn't make it anymore true. I know trying to get a UCF student or alum to use their brain is like trying to get a fish to stay away from water, but maybe you can find someone who actually knows how to read words with multiple syllables, and get them to explain the content of this thread to you?

Oh, well if Paisa el Toro looked into his crystal ball and says it's so, I guess there's no arguing it.

Besides, on-field success is not the question. I don't think it's a given he will achieve what he did the first time, but even if he does, the point is, every head-coaching job he's had, he left the team in worse shape then he got it, burning bridges left and right along the way. Why would the end be any different this time? He's still the same **** he always was.

gobulls83 your logic on why he isn't an NFL QB makes no sense.

What logic is that? All I said is, watching him play, I don't think he's a star NFL quarterback in the making. The only faulty logic introduced into this thread was by one of you UCF morons who insisted that ESPN has reported that some NFL general managers like him so, hey, he must be a lock to be a star. There are more first round quarterbacks who don't become elite quarterbacks than there are first round quarterbacks who do. This is common sense - if all first round quarterbacks became elite, then more than half the starting quarterbacks in the league would have to be called "elite," and the word would be meaningless. All the stuff you said - there have been plenty of other guys about whom that has been said, who turned into busts.

I've also already said I think Manziel is more likely to be the flop than Bortles is. I've said Bortles' best case is to end up like Alex Smith, and Alex Smith has been a starting quarterback in the NFL for most of the past decade. Oh, how cruel and unfair I'm being to your star player.

Finally, the whole concept of "clutch" in sports is a myth. Get back to me in three years, and we'll see where Bortles' future is heading.

I thought we decided there was no way Louisville would ever want him back. We did a whole thread on it.

Maybe you need to learn to read, and you'll realize that not everyone posting in a thread necessarily agrees with every point argued in it?

Anyway, let's see 1) if they hire him and 2) how it turns out if they do. I still don't believe they'll hire him. But I don't know who they go after otherwise either.

Yeah, I'm shocked by it. But they haven't hired him yet. We'll see.

And if they do, I think it will be a poor decision. For one thing, he's a ****. But more to the point, I just don't think coaches returning to the site of their former glory works out all that often. Bill Snyder is the only recent example in college football that I can think of, but that was a disappointment. What's the saying? "You can't go home again."

If they hire him again, it will do more to change my opinion of Louisville athletics than it will to change my opinion of Petrino.

When did they start ranking football teams? Is this a new thing?

This is the FBS ranking. The year Appalachian State went into Ann Arbor and beat Michigan, the polls began allowing voters to include FCS schools. Appalachian State that year and a couple of other FCS teams since have cracked into the "others receiving votes" category, though none have ever actually cracked the top 25.

Ah, my bad then.

I'm sure the FSU AD had nothing to do with it. Why would he? I'm sure this was done by some company the university pays to handle these things for it. Even if it was someone at the university, it sure wasn't the AD. And, while it's embarrassing, you don't think firing the AD is a bit of an overreaction? I'd say hiring the coach that returned their football team to glory outweighs this, just a little.

I'm also sure that the next time some mistake like this happens related to USF, this won't stop some people from flying off the handle about it and insisting that only at USF do these mistakes happen. It turns out, humans make mistakes all over the place, not just at USF. Who knew?

Heath makes the tourney consistently...once every 10 years.

 

Stan Heath has made the NCAA tournament four times in his 12 years as a basketball head coach.

(USF has made the tournament three times in its entire history, including once with Heath.)

Wow. You lot are even more out of touch than I thought.

I'm actually a little bit concerned about your well-being.