BullEE

The intent of the students was not to destroy property. Therefore why does the police have to treat them like they were. I guarantee you there are college football fans in the PD who have seen storming from the fans onto the field either because they were there or at least saw it on TV. Those who haven't I assume that they have been briefed on the phenomena. The comment about about having soccer hooligans go against TPD and TSA, I should have elaborated on a little more. I saw cops and rent-a-cops treating a bunch of students who just wanted to celebrate with their fellow school mates like they were hooligans. My point is that TPD and TSA were bullying students who in their minds were not going to do anything wrong. They were not going to destroy property or fight. I would like to see the TSA and TPD officials have a "come-uppance" (sp?) by having to deal with real hooligans. People who would storm the field to fight, riot in the stands, and through fire bombs and other object at opposing players during a match. I do applaud European police for having to deal with this on a weekly basis during soccer season. It seems they can get a lot of it under control before people seriously get hurt or killed. Sometimes these riots will spread throughout a city very quickly. The police and TSA officials were treating the students like they were going to do the same. We have never had any incidents involving riots after a sporting event in this city as far as I can remember. Why do they think that it would happen now. The TSA should have not been involved at all. The "professionals" were there so let them handle it. The police have the authority if they are properly trained they will deal with it. TSA's involvement is what is making me angry at the incident. The cops were bad enough in their behavior, but TSA was completely out of line. The TSA officials who were involved need to be punished. If they are not fired outright, then they need to be reassigned to other duties, like trash detail. The cops did not have to use such force. If it was such a crime why didn't they just go to the 4 access tunnels and the 4 staircases and wait for the offenders. Where were the students going to go. Where they going to reclimb the wall to escape? As far as the students getting what they deserved, several members of this board and probably a bunch of lurkers who read it charged the field and got away with it. Do you people think that someone like B. Diddy or DMince needed to be beaten because they broke the rules. What about some of the students who were jawing with the police and were swiped at by batons and had tazers point at them? Do some of you honestly believe that the students deserved broken hands if the cops were successful with their swipes or tazered because the cop had an itchy trigger finger. John Q Law has to follow the rules as well. They are supposed to "serve and protect" not "brutalize and maim." They should have seen this coming. Authority figures are not alow to bully people. Remember, in this country everyone is free AND EQUAL. The authority figures are the same as us. They must follow the same laws. THEY ARE NOT ABOVE US NOR SHOULD THEY ACT LIKE IT. Any cop who acts like they are superior to the populace needs to have their badge taken away. These guys give the rest of the police force a bad name. It seems that the administration who paid to rent the field, the taxpayers who pay for the field who were in attendance (students, alum, and fans), and even the team wanted the students to come onto the field. The cops should have known that if USF won the students were going to charge. If they had a problem with this why didn't they choose an alternative to having the students jump the walls. Why didn't TPD come up with a solution such as allowing the students to come onto the field via the staircases along the corners in an orderly direction. The only stipulations being that there were to be no fights between students, fans, alum, players or TSA, and no property destruction. That would have been a lot more proactive. The cops would have been seen as good people, the students would have chance to celebrate with the players, no one would have been hurt, and everyone would have gone home happy. Maybe they should implement tis or something similiar, maybe that could be a tradition. After every home win allowing the students, fans, alum, etc. to go onto the field in a safe and orderly manner in order to celebrate the win. The cops can protect the goal posts and keep fights from breaking out. If there are too many incidents then the "privilege" would end for that season. As far as those who are so high and mighty getting on the students cases about storming the field and trespassing, I;m sure you are totally innocent of all crimes. I'm sure you never speed while on the road, or run the occasional red light. : I'm sure you never jay walked, changed lanes without signaling, or drove drunk. : And I am absolutely sure that you never did anything stupid when you were young. : Just because you didn't get caught doesn't mean you didn't break a law. So get off your hgih horses, you are just as guilty as everyone else. You are born into this world naked and crying, you pay taxes, you die just like EVERYONE ELSE. In the mean time you do good things and you do bad things, and in the end it doesn't matter one bit. In the end you will be judged, but it won't be by the people on this board or by any government authority so quit acting all high and mighty and please quit trying to vilify students who are just being people. Have a nice evening 8) PS: Jim, I see that you post quite frequently during the day. I hope that you are not working at those times, on break, or are self-employed. If you are, I hope you are not charging your company or your customers for that time that you are on here, because that would be a violation of ethics and/or stealing. I'll let Zonald fill you in on some of those laws. ;D Peace?

Okay, glad I was not the only one sore on Sunday and Monday. I wound up aggravating an old knee injury doing so much jumping up and down.

I need to get this off my chest... THIS TYPE OF $&*^ PISSES ME OFF!!! Everytime this is brought up my blood just boils. To see cops and wannabes on power trips against what is normally a bunch of law abiding citizens and treating them like a bunch of common criminals is just wrong. The students did not commit the crime, the cops did. All the students just wanted to do was celebrate with their fellow friends and classmates. We can debate the whether or not it is proper for students to jump on the field, and I do agree that the police do have a right to protect the goalposts, but the police should just let the students have this time to celebrate. Last time I checked Tampa is not a "safe" city according to some publications. There are criminals and gangs in E. Tampa, Ybor is not exactly safe, and if you want to see young people (although I'm only 24 myself) do stupid things go to Hillsborough Avenue on a Friday or Saturday nights between Dale Mabry and the Vets by the Sonics and tell me what you see. I just wish that the TSA thugs would of tried to bring down a student that knows how to fight. It would have been funny to see a thug get beatdown worse than Louisville or UCF did. Too bad Man U doesn't play in Ray Jay, it would be funny to watch the police and TSA go up against British soccer hooligans. ~End Rant~ I have a lot more to say but I wanted to get some of it off my chest. I do recognize that not all cops are bad and for the most part they are good people, but the ones at the stadium are nothing but a bunch of thugs and Nazis. The TSA needs to be in jail ALL OF THEM.

USF In a second week in a row, against the number 9 team in nation whose mascot is a bird, I am going with last week's score. 45 - 14 !!! 417 A. Jackson

OK Here goes.... USF wins (I cannot pick against my team) 45-42 (2OT) 400 Jackson

Bulls 30 - 17 375 Peyton

The "lack" of attendance was probably more on our end than FAMU's. FAMU has a lot of fans in this area who were excited to be able to see their team without having to travel +5 hours to Tally. On our end most of the fans were not willing to pay the money to watch a blowout. That was the excuse I had heard from fans that I know who were not attending this week.

I'm sorry to hear about your loss. I offer my most sincere condolences. You and your family will be in my prayers and thoughts. God Bless.

Bulls 42-3 450 Peyton

I might be moving to the Northeast in August. If I do, I'll definitely be going.

Nice job guys :D GO BULLS!!!!!!

WOOOOHOOOOO!!!! Great job guys!!!

Denson will play. Hill and Grothe will probably still be too "green" to lead the offense. It wold be a different story though if Denson was not here.

Thanks a lot guys. You did a great job. This was a million times better than last year's little fiasco.

If the Oracle is the second best in the southeast, I would hate to read the rest of them. Would it be cruel and unusual punishment to make inmates read the Oracle? :-/