Kizarvexis

Lol 4-4. Lay off the pipe.

I did say 'if' and that it would be a 'great achievement'. I don't know enough about the other teams this season to say what I expect USF to do, but 6-6 is looking like the best I could see them doing if everything went USF's way.

The last loss to a non-BCS team was Memphis in 2004. (ended at 16 wins in a row)

The last loss to a MAC team was at N. Illinois in 2001 the week before the Pitt win. (ended at 4 wins in a row, out of 6 total MAC games)

Skip's teams have been trending down since he arrived.

2010 USF 8-5 and 3-4 Big East

2011 USF 5-7 and 1-6 Big East

so far

2012 USF 2-2 and 0-1 Big East

total USF 15-14 and 4-11 Big East

Things aren't looking good for the FSU game. At Louisville, Syracuse, UCONN, @Miami, @Cinci and Pitt could be problematic as well. Who knows what @Temple will be like as we have never played them before. Based on what I have seen so far, if USF goes 4-4 the rest of the way, it would be a great achievement.

I suspect he will just stay away from the public view.

I certainly hope so.

Here are the three all-time losing streaks for USF that are on the line Thursday.

4 I-A home losses in a row. The last win was vs UTEP (52-24) on Sat, Sep 24, 2011

5 Big East home losses in a row. The last win was vs Rutgers (28-27) on Wed, Nov 3rd, 2010

6 BCS home losses in a row. The last win was vs Rutgers (28-27) on Wed, Nov 3rd, 2010

We are 2-5 vs Rutgers (1-2 at home and 1-3 on the road) with the last win vs Rutgers being the one above in 2010. We are 21-27 vs the Big East and it is time to start turning that around.

Where's the NY Times article? All I get when I Google "UCF NY Times" is articles about violations ...

Look under Bianchi's article in the sentinel from earlier this week or last...he links everything there.  Look I don't want into the Big East, now.  It's not going to exist, anymore.  It's the principle of everything.  My question is...why does any of this surprise you?  You knew Genshaft's agenda vs. UCF since USF began football.  Other school presidents are aware and her tactics may cause USF a conference.  Why did Pitt and Cuse want out so bad?  The went to the ACC, not the other way around.  The ACC just figured, we better be sure.  The Big 12 presidents are football minded and are fighting to stick together for the benefit of all of the schools.  Do you think they want to deal with Genshaft??  They know how she works and how selfish she is.  At least they're going to now....thanks to UCF!!!  hahahaha!!!  

I'm not going to Bianchi's site, Goldie ... Please supply the link.

Good luck on that part.

And how could anyone forget the streak that now continues from last week

UCF now has 4 consecutive games without a TD pass..

Games:           4

Passing TD:     0

I think its 5 or 6 games if you look at least season.

It is 5 games. UCiF's last TD pass was Jeff Godfrey to Latavius Murray for a 5 yd TD pass in the final SMU game last season (Dec 4th, UCiF 17, SMU 7).

Are you kidding me?  They are comedy gold.

Yeah. And clubbing the baby seals can be fun.  ;D

USF started FB in 1996 as a I-AA independent. (I don't do FBS and FCS, they are I-A and I-AA as God intended .) USF became a I-A independent in 2001. USF moved to C-USA in 2003 and the BE in 2005. So that is four years as a I-A team, before moving to a BCS conference.

UCF started FB in 1979 as a D-III team. In 1982 they went to D-II. In 1990, UCF went to I-AA. In 1996, UCF became a I-A independent. In 2005, UCF joined C-USA.

So, if you want to compare USF's first four years, with UCF's first four years, then you are comparing USF 2001-2004 vs UCF 1996-1999.

This info on USF and UCF is not hard to find.

USF media guide - http://www.gousfbulls.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=7700&KEY=&ATCLID=204909597&SPID=2981&SPSID=96971

UCF media guide - http://ucfathletics.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/2010-media-guide.html

For FB records check out http://www.cfbdatawarehouse.com/

UCF BCS games 0-14

1996

Lost at 6-5 S. Carolina

Lost at 9-3 Ga Tech

1997

Lost at 8-3 Ole Miss

Lost at 5-6 S. Carolina

Lost at 12-0 Nebraska

Lost at 9-3 Auburn

Lost at 7-4 Miss St

1998

Lost at 8-4 Purdue

Lost at 3-8 Auburn

1999

Lost vs 7-4 Purdue

Lost at 9-3 Florida

Lost at 8-3 Ga Tech

Lost at 7-4 Georgia

Lost at 5-6 Auburn

USF BCS games 1-5

2001

Won at 6-5 Pitt

2002

Lost at 9-3 Arkansas

Lost at 10-2 Oklahoma

2003

Lost at 4-9 Alabama

2004

Lost at 6-5 S. Carolina

Lost vs 8-3 Pitt

If you want to extend this out to games over I-A opponents with a winning record, it gets worse for UCF.

From 1996-1999 UCF beat Toledo twice when Toledo had a winning record.

From 2001-2004 USF beat 8 teams with winning records, which includes the above Pitt win and a win vs #25 (ESPN) Bowling Green.

Currently, UCF is 3-45 all time vs BCS teams with none of them being against a BCS team with a winning record. USF is 29-36 vs BCS teams all time and includes wins against ranked BCS teams with winning records.

Since both teams went to I-A, USF has 22 wins over I-A teams with a winning record (at least one every year for 10 years) and UCF has 11 wins over I-A teams with a winning record (spread across 7 seasons in the 15 years UCF has been I-A).

BTW, the BCS stats do not include the 2 games each vs Louisville, Cincy and UConn before they also became BCS teams.

188 pages on UCF??????? Don't you guys know they aren't our rival. - dumb USF fans

Can we stop being pusses and schedule them in football already?

You do realize that this thread was started in January of 2008 and has had many other UCF threads merged into it to keep the board clean?

why usf isn playing u instead of 1aa teams like wku and stoney brook

You do know that WKU completed the move to I-A in 2009 and played as a part of the Sun Belt Conf, right?

if we post enough we can get to the next page

Excellent plan.

why would someone quote it, and force us to see it twice

Because they are EVIL.

My EYES! I have to scoop out my EYES to stop the pain.

When we hire Charlie Strong it's over for you boys.  Make book on it. No flame, but those are the facts.

Isn't that what Gnats fans said when UCiF hired O'Leary O'Liar? How's that working out?  ;D

Kizarvexis

a wins over Alabama in 2000 I would put on the list....but I know UCF administration has made mistakes in the past pre-oleary that really slowed the growth of the program....there's a lot of history to that you can look up but UCF could have been in a much better position a long time ago. But they aren't, the only thing that can be done is for the current administration to try to get it right which in part they have by building up the athletic facilities/athletic village and having Keith Tribble as the successor to AD Orsini. The coaching situation is questionable, we all know that but we'll see how UCF leadership decides to act for the future of our program. USF has made some quick leaps w/ some good leadership at the top starting w/ lee roy selmon and had some fortune roll you way also w/ the last Big East shakeup where you had the larger basketball arena at the time which was a big factor in their decision. USF has done more starting w/ less and I give you're administration credit, now we'll see what UCF will do in the future w/ the investment that has been put into the football program.

If you'll notice, 'significant wins' were wins over I-A programs with a winning record. Alabama was 3-8 in 2000. They are included in the wins over BCS record that UCiF compiled.

Kizarvexis

Having said that, any team could fashion a winner if lucked into a BCS conference.

You so don't want to go there.

Here are the comparisons of USF and UCiF from the start of I-A play to the end of 2004. In 2004, USF was in the 2nd season of C-USA play and UCiF was in the 3rd season of MAC play.

UCiF compiled a 46-55 (45.54%) overall record from 1996 to 2004. Their record vs I-A teams was 32-55 (36.78%) and were 4 of 37 (9.76%) vs I-A teams with a winning record. UCiF was 1 and 29 vs the BCS (3.33%).

UCiF's significant wins were the following:

1997 -  9-3 Toledo (not ranked when they played UCiF and they lost the MAC Champ game)

1998 -  7-5 @Toledo  (lost MAC Champ game)

2001 -  6-5 UAB

2002 -  7-5 Miami (OH)

USF compiled a 28-16 (63.64%) overall record from 2001 to 2004. Their record vs I-A teams was 20-16 (55.56%) and were 8 of 13 (38.10%) vs I-A teams with a winning record. USF was 1 and 5 vs the BCS (16.67%).

USF's significant wins were the following:

2001 -  7-5 @Pitt (Won the Tangerine Bowl)

2002 -  8-4 N. Illinois

2002 -  7-5 @N. Texas (SBC Champ and won the NO Bowl)

2002 -  7-5 So Miss (Lost the Houston Bowl)

2002 -  9-3 #26/25 Bowling Green (AP/Coaches Polls)

2003 -  9-3 Louisville (Lost the GMAC Bowl)

2003 -  8-4 @Memphis (Won the NO Bowl)

2004 -  7-4 UAB (Lost the Hawai'i Bowl)

So, better winning percentages in all facets of the game. In 2002 USF won the same number of games vs I-A opponents with a winning record as UCiF did in 9 years of trying! USF even beat a I-A opponent with a winning record in their worst season, 2004! Not to mention that USF's BCS win was over a bowl winner.

Kizarvexis

Cinnci for homecoming again!  Last time we played them during homecoming didn't it go into 2OT?

Cincy homecoming last time was moved to Friday night 10/31 Halloween for tv.  It kind of put a damper on the festivities and attendance.  Hopefully, tv will not care about this game and it can be held on Saturday night at 7pm - that will draw a huge crowd if we are playing well.

Yes, the game was moved and it did go to two OT's. It was a USF win, 24-17, and the first homecoming game to go into OT. This year's game will be the first time that USF will have a repeat opponent for Homecoming.

After the end of the season.  :'(

1. Oakland Raiders

2. Detroit Lions

c3. Cleveland Browns

c4. Tampa Bay Buccaneers

5. Arizona Cardinals

6. Washington Redskins

7. Minnesota Vikings

8. San Francisco 49ers

9. Houston Texans

10. Miami Dolphins

11. Atlanta Falcons

12. Buffalo Bills

13. St. Louis Rams

14. Carolina Panthers

15. Pittsburgh Steelers

16. Green Bay Packers

17. Jacksonville Jaguars

18. Cincinnati Bengals

19. Tennessee Titans

20. Denver Broncos

21. New York Giants

22. Dallas Cowboys

23. Kansas City Chiefs

24. New York Jets

25. Seattle Seahawks

26. Philadelphia Eagles

27. Baltimore Ravens

28. San Diego Chargers

29. New Orleans Saints

30. New England Patriots

31. Chicago Bears

32. Indianapolis Colts

The Bucs and Browns will have a coin toss to determine who picks 3rd and who picks 4th. Trades are not included.

Kizarvexis

After the third round of the playoffs.

1. Oakland Raiders

2. Detroit Lions

c3. Cleveland Browns

c4. Tampa Bay Buccaneers

5. Arizona Cardinals

6. Washington Redskins

7. Minnesota Vikings

8. San Francisco 49ers

9. Houston Texans

10. Miami Dolphins

11. Atlanta Falcons

12. Buffalo Bills

13. St. Louis Rams

14. Carolina Panthers

15. Pittsburgh Steelers

16. Green Bay Packers

17. Jacksonville Jaguars

18. Cincinnati Bengals

19. Tennessee Titans

20. Denver Broncos

21. New York Giants

22. Dallas Cowboys

23. Kansas City Chiefs

24. New York Jets

25. Seattle Seahawks

26. Philadelphia Eagles

27. Baltimore Ravens

28. San Diego Chargers

29. New Orleans Saints

30. New England Patriots

31. Indianapolis Colts

33. Chicago Bears

The Colts and Bears order will be determined by who wins Super Bowl XLI. The Bucs and Browns will have a coin toss to determine who picks 3rd and who picks 4th. Trades are not included.

It will be the Colts vs the Bears; Tony Dungy vs Lovie Smith.

Kizarvexis

NO, not in football, but in WBB!

USF knocked off #15 Louisville 74-58 for the second highest ranked win.

USF is #33 in the AP with 12 points and #30 in the USA Today with 17 votes. The next poll is week 12 (22nd-28th). There are 5 four loss teams in the Top 25 with Georgia at #16. So BB Gurus, can the Lady Bulls make the Top 25?

Kizarvexis

He has done the things necessary to create championship teams.  He has brought in great coaches, set a plan to improve our facilities, and our budget is at an all time high.  These are the steps that we need to have a championship team.  Now it is up to the players and the coaches to make it happen

when is first one coming??

Dang you are impatient. Give the man some time to build something. Even more so in the fact that we need to build a lot of athletic facilities.

Kizarvexis

After the second round of the playoffs.

1. Oakland Raiders

2. Detroit Lions

c3. Cleveland Browns

c4. Tampa Bay Buccaneers

5. Arizona Cardinals

6. Washington Redskins

7. Minnesota Vikings

8. San Francisco 49ers

9. Houston Texans

10. Miami Dolphins

11. Atlanta Falcons

12. Buffalo Bills

13. St. Louis Rams

14. Carolina Panthers

15. Pittsburgh Steelers

16. Green Bay Packers

17. Jacksonville Jaguars

18. Cincinnati Bengals

19. Tennessee Titans

20. Denver Broncos

21. New York Giants

22. Dallas Cowboys

23. Kansas City Chiefs

24. New York Jets

25. Seattle Seahawks

26. Philadelphia Eagles

27. Baltimore Ravens

28. San Diego Chargers

29. New Orleans Saints

30. New England Patriots

31. Indianapolis Colts

33. Chicago Bears

Teams 29-32 are subject to the rest of the playoffs. When they exit the playoffs and who they exit with will determine the draft order for 29-32. The Bucs and Browns will have a coin toss to determine who picks 3rd and who picks 4th. Trades are not included.

Kizarvexis

K-L, are you going to respond?

Kizarvexis

K-L, since we are talking reading comprehension, having you found that information on the USF-WVU game actual attendance to back up your statements?

Kizarvexis

17 votes is the third most votes USF has received from the AP. The #29 AP ranking is tied for the highest USF has ever received from the AP. USF was #29 at the end of 2002 and at the end of the regular season in 2006.

Louisville is #6/7*, WVU is #10 and Rutgers is #12.

Kizarvexis

* (ap/coaches poll)