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2 minutes ago, Triple B said:

Zero or one, two, or three conference wins this year, does it really matter?

If the one win was over UCF it might matter

3 minutes ago, Triple B said:

The second worst team in the conference only has two wins .... both against us ... so thank you for your valuable insight, Captain Obvious.

and one of those wins was by 38 points ...... 

10 minutes ago, Bull Daly said:

That has been my argument since they ever stated this BS P5 4 team playoff format. For now, just call it what it is. G5 teams are pretty much excluded from it.

It's always been that way.  We didn't have a playoff at all until just the past few years.  Obviously most teams went into the season without a shot at the title hence the bowl system. 

4 minutes ago, bullsfan1983 said:

Most years I agree this year the SEC was horrible and many teams had lame duck coaching situations. Missouri finished above .500 and their wins were Missouri State, Idaho, UConn, Florida (with interim coach), Vanderbilt, Tennessee (with interim coach), and Arkansas (with lame duck coach). If you don’t think UCF could have pulled that off I’ll have some of what you are smoking. There were 3 excellent teams in the SEC this year, 2 other teams that on a game to game basis could give a top team trouble and then garbage. 

LOL, you're leaving out UGA, Bama, Auburn, USC, Miss St., LSU, etc.  Even if they had all those "weaker" teams on their schedule they're not running the table against them, when they have to play them week to week.   I'm definitely not the one smoking something.  

The argument should be the CFP should be expanded to 8 teams and include a G5 team or teams like USF, UCF, etc should be added to one of the P5 conferences. 

1 hour ago, bullsfan1983 said:

They wouldn't need to go 13-0 to get in the playoff in the SEC so the argument whether or not they could is not logical. Alabama's "SEC gauntlet" was Vanderbilt (5-7)-Ole Miss (6-6)-TAMU (7-6)-Arkansas(4-8)-Tennessee(4-8) then they had a couple close wins, their best wins over LSU and Miss State, played a FCS cupcake in the middle of the conference schedule and then lost their only game vs a top 20 opponent. Here is sagarin elo rankings for some sec teams. It is basically 3 great teams in Auburn, Alabama, and Georgia, a couple other fringe top 25 teams in South Carolina and Miss State and then garbage.

florida 91
tennessee 119
arkansas 102
ole miss 106
texas a&m 46
lsu 34
vanderbilt 105
kentucky 73
missouri 78

Every one of those teams finishes in the upper half of the AAC.  Heck, most of them probably have a good shot at winning it.  And the argument is UCF should be CoChamps or have a shot in the CFP because they went 13-0 so saying they wouldn't be 13-0 in the SEC is "logical".  But I'll take it a step further and say they would have been lucky to finish .500 in the SEC this year.  And I'm not an SEC shill in the least, but realistically we and UCF are not built to withstand the grind of a week in, week out SEC schedule.

29 minutes ago, Bull Daly said:

I agree that I no longer buy the argument that Auburn had nothing to play for. They were playing for SEC pride and they let all of the SEC down. UCF called the SEC out and backed up their talk. No one is going to tell me Auburn was no up for that game. UCF was the better team and it remains to be seen if they were better than both UGA & Bama. To say that UCF does not deserve a share of that national title is just being in denial. 

Actually, saying UCF is in the same class as Bama or UGA is being in denial.  Again, we can argue that there should be an expanded playoff format that gives a team like UCF a shot at winning a national title, but under the current format there is no way they deserve to be CoChamps.  Just not realistic. There is literally no way they go 13-0 playing an SEC type schedule.

USF may be better than Texas Tech, but then again TTU was 3-6 in the Big 12 and 6-6 overall, 8th best in the Big 12.  UCF isn't better than Auburn overall, but was in the Peach Bowl.

USF and UCF are probably 3-5 loss teams in any P5 conference this season.  It's one thing to get up for 1 game when you have the likes of Tulsa, Tulane, ECU, UConn, etc. on your conference schedule.  It's another thing to have to line up agains Bama, Auburn, LSU, UF, UGA, etc. or Oklahoma, Ok State, Texas, TCU, etc. or FSU, UM, Clemson, UL, Va Tech etc.   

Now you put us in one of those conferences and income changes as well as recruiting and then that starts to change things.

Bottom line is UCF and any other team outside the P5 really shouldn't be in the CFP in any given year under the current 4 team format.  You change that to an 8 team format and I think that G5 conferences should earn a spot.

Attendance was up in 2016 and greater than UCF.  Not sure about 2017 numbers.  I don't know how anyone thinks this program is about the fold though. An OCS may increase student interest and attendance and you can build a more intimate stadium that that won't look half empty when there are only 35, 000 people in the seats.

9 hours ago, beastiebull said:

So we couldn't run the table with our best player ever against the weakest schedule ever but we are gonna start talking about running the table..in 2 years mind you.. against a tough schedule without the aforementioned best player ever/magician/savior of our program from the doldrums of the G5? 

Stop the madness. 

The threads about USF crashing the CFP in 2019.  Running the table is what it would take to have a shot hence the discussion.  It's not a prediction thread .... lighten up Francis.

2 hours ago, DontPushMe said:

Horrible. A 2-1 with Louisville? We shared a conference with them for years. I doubt there's another p5 school that has a better relationship with us and even they won't do a 1-1 with us? This G5 thing sucks. I'm almost ready to shut the program down if we don't get into the p5 on the next round of conference expansion. 

Calm down there skippy.  It will be OK.

1 hour ago, George_Bullnard_Shaw said:

 

They were given an expansion draft with rules orders of magnitude better for them than any expansion team in NHL history. Along with making deals to take good but overpaid players due to having a blank slate for the salary cap they got to skip the franchise building years and got backstopped by a great goalie the Penguins wrote out of their plans.

Owners pay too much money these days to stink out loud for several years while building up their franchise.  Jaguars and Panthers were able to compete quickly as well in the NFL when they joined.

15 hours ago, NewEnglandBull said:

Actually what helped them was that each nhl team had to make players from specific positions available. In the past it was just players only. 

They are definitely not a typical expansion team.

9 hours ago, NewEnglandBull said:

This! Many on this board are still under the delusion that the CFP is for all teams. The cartel will never...never...ever let a team from the kiddie table play. Too much money to lose and they ain’t sharing no matter what. Just take a look at the conference representation who are a part of the committee each year...they are there to protect the the P5’s cash cow. 

The vast majority of years, a G5 team does not belong in the CFP.  If the Bulls run the table in 2019, then they will at least have resemblance of an argument with W's over multiple P6 schools

If we run the table in 2019 and we have a chance at the Final Four.  

28 minutes ago, raptorcj said:

Were it not for them, I'd be completely bored this time of year.

Don't worry, baseball/softball are right around the corner

1 hour ago, Apis Bull said:

On paper, 2019 looks like the best OOC slate

Run the table that year and we'll be in the Final Four ...

I'm thinking this is more of a talent issue than a continuity/chemistry issue

I wonder how we'd feel if a 2 loss Bulls team won the title in a relatively weak Big 12 Conference and were then passed over for the CFP final four so an undefeated Boise State could get in

1 minute ago, Brad said:

Was it really 38 passes, 55 rushing?  That's not close to a balance.

Sounds pretty similar to the overall season ratio.

2 minutes ago, Apis Bull said:

You post just proves that Sterling changed the offense for the game.  Flowers threw 38 times.  The stats don't agree with your assertion that we took that ball out of his hand too often.  2/3 of the offensive plays we passes of Flowers runs.  He wasn't effective as a runner and if he had passed like he did in the previous two games, Houston would have routed us.

I'm not going through the entire game log, but if we want to play the stats game we scored two TDs below our average on the season.  If we get close to that, then the last play is meaningless .... 

I think the point really is that there were far more factors than the last play that led to that loss, a loss that we should not have had

6 minutes ago, Apis Bull said:

Flowers average 0.5 yards per carry in that game.

OK, and he threw for 325.  My point was that I felt that the ball was taken out of our best player's hands too often at times.  Just an opinion, not the end all be all.

16 minutes ago, SANJAY said:

The offensive play calling leading to the field goal on our penultimate drive was key to that loss. I turned to my kids when they ran the HB dive on 3rd down and didn't attack the edges with Q and said we were going to lose. Although I didn't see the 4th and 24 failure. Enough blame to go around for that loss. 

This was kind of my issue with play calling.  They seemed to take the ball out of Q's hands too frequently at times when he was the best player on the field.  And in the Houston game it seemed to finally rear up and bite us.

On 1/14/2018 at 5:19 PM, brybull1970 said:

Pitino would be guarteeed to do three things at USF:

• Get us to the NCAA tournament
• Get the program on probabtion
• Fund college for several aspiring escorts (allegedly)

I see nothing wrong with 1 and 3

On 1/15/2018 at 6:22 AM, Bausfkid said:

And if we would have beaten Houston 100 - 0 at home how would the season be different?  And Gilbert has what to do with the defense? 

And at some point 11 kids on a team need to make a play on 4th and 24.  If God was coaching the team on 4th and 24 and the offense picked it up it would still be on the 11 kids on defense to make a play.  

You said they didn't lose to any teams that they should have beaten.  They should have beaten Houston.  You didn't quantify your statement with "because of Gilbert"