dclenden

BB came to play - currently 6 for 6 and 54 yards. Nice work.  

6 hours ago, Rex Havoc said:

St. Pete is definitely changed a lot in the last decade or so. 10 years ago people would have laughed at you if you’d tell them condos downtown would be selling for 600k plus. It used to be a ghost town after dark. Now you have to have some big $$$ to live there. 

The ‘empty butts in the seats’ argument for relocating from StP was incredibly overstated.  It’s expensive to move teams and the Rays new it.  Plus butts in seats for a team don’t account for much

Truth is empty seats or attendance has very limited effect on the bottom line.  In aggregate, an MLB team’s ticket sales only account for ~30% of total revenue.  

Luxury box sales are a part of this 30% and is what really influences the bottom line and casts the greatest financial shadow.

Somewhere between 5-20% of TOTAL revenue are now represented solely by luxury box ticket sales and a lesser and lesser fraction of the bottom line is contributed by the average MLB seat.

The Rays got their new stadium and  ultimately what they were really after- new luxury boxes.  Glad to see it get done.

6 minutes ago, puc86 said:

This has always been the way the failure starts at the top and every single year combined between football and basketball has been worse than the year before it. It’s a straight downward slope. He got his hire in CJS and it failed more miserably than any coach in history. Then he stood behind all of them and said these are my people and a core of my vision here is stability and gave everyone an extension, less than a year later he has fired that coach and will be having to fire the basketball coach shortly. He has not had success in expansion and the coaching search went about exactly as you should have expected in continuing to make sure we never get out of a hole. Every second that he is in charge sets us further back and I’m not sure the unconscionable decision to let him make another long term decision hasn’t set back the next person that will be replacing his failed leadership and should have been able to build things in a forward facing direction instead of being given more things to unwind as they have to find their guys. MK is awful by any measure and we should have stopped pretending a long time ago. 

Well said. +1M.  MK is telling you who he is, listen USF.

MK has 24 months and is on an ultra short leash and like it or not so is Golesh after these last years of gross negligence and deplorable USF football performance.
 

USF fans largely gave MK and coach Scott an ‘innocent before guilty’ approach but now both MK and Golesh are overtly on a ‘guilty until proven innocent’ standing with the fan base with good solid reasons to support it.

They’ve literally got 24 months in my mind to put out this dumpster fire.  My personal odds are 3:1 both Golesh and MK get flushed with a full revamp leading into the OCS timing and effort.  For me, MK proved his worth with these last 3 or so coaching searches.

People try and tell you who they are and what they’re about and worth, whether you choose to listen is one thing.  MK has been consistent telling and showing us,  if nothing else.  
 

Guilty until proven innocent means, fan attrition will continue IMO.  They’ve held out long enough in their mind and won’t come back until there is a product on the field to not be grossly embarrassed about.  Let’s be honest fans aren’t asking USF for much more than ‘please give me a reason to take the brown bag with the eyes cut off of my head’ at USF games. Until then, you’ll continue to see fewer continued circular conversations about the ‘value of a coach’, value of intangibles, etc like the pass that Scott received for 3 years.  No more circular conversations and mental masturbation about anything other than performance.   Wins and losses matter and taking this virtual brown bag off our heads matters and nothing else.  
 

Put up or shut up MK.  You’d have been fired in virtually any other field for this horrible performance.  

1 minute ago, Jim Johnson said:

 

My goodness this rabbit hole again- I’ve got to believe even at my own dismay that Mike Kelly actually formally asked if Golesh actually knows how to coach this time (see x-Scott)?

Mike Kelly honestly revealed how grossly unprepared he was for this coaching selection and this moment.   Instead of actually acquiring a coach, he acquired a reputation for being ill prepared for the big moment.  When he’s not getting caught up in being enamored by coaching lineage instead of more important things like failing to ask if the coach can actually  ‘coach’ (see Antigua and Scott) he’s being outgamed by a SWAC (Southwestern Athletic Conference) coach who playing him like a puppet.  This is probably an argument that the SWAC or less is where he belongs.

21 minutes ago, belgianbull said:

What excited me the most about Deion Sanders would have been his recruitment power. Also the excitement and national attention it would have brought to to the program. I think it would have been fun, and that he would have been successful here.

Recruitment would have been rocketed into another mode IMO.  That said, Prime has yet to really face formidable competition be it veteran coaches or similar quality DI players.  I wasn’t sold on this Prime move either.  It felt a bit like we were chasing ‘lore’ again like we did with x-Antigua or x-Scott.   Victory through association doesn’t work.  How about victory through fundamentals, high quality execution and wildly being detail oriented and instilling this ethic.     No doubt Prime gets set back when he’s forced to play a legitimately talented team.  Let him ride the wave until then. Congrats Prime, now go out and show us your true ‘Taggart’.

1 minute ago, Bulls On Parade said:

Like Herman who is probably better....oops FAU got him in less than a week 

 

I would have been impressed with a Herman hire, no doubt.

2 minutes ago, CousinRicky said:

Someone asked what would be an equal hire to Chadwell. Toledo coach? FAMU coach? There are others out there not named Chadwell.

Fully agree- there are others out there who have incredible potential not named Chadwell.  Truth is most of us follow teams and not coaches or coaching pedigrees to know who has the likelihood for success.  After all, who following CJL’s announced hire replied ‘oh this guy will take us to #2 in the nation’.  Certainly not me

38 minutes ago, CousinRicky said:

Sunbelt? Conf USA? Whatever conference Coastal is in.

See respectfully,  this is where I think a little differently.  While i would love to be enamored by a hire from a ‘respected’  conference, it’s not critical in my mind.  Conference lineage is important but not essential and at the cost of everything else  to a USF HC hire.  Being effective at one’s job is far more critical than former conference lineage.  If USF’s former coaching hire gaffs, Antigua and Scott aren’t the purest example of this, then there isn’t one.  Also, Prime was about far away from meaningful conference lineage as there is.  

I don’t see a substantive amount of chatter about Chadwell, seems like this is where we’re headed IMHO

Now that Deion is dust, have we conflated the ‘Chadwell is absolutely not coming to USF’ story a bit?  Why exactly has Chadwell’s name fallen off from USF so much?

11 hours ago, TromBull12 said:

It seems pretty simple to me. When you hire someone to build a program back up, you can't then fire them, without giving them time to do so. 

CCS started with CWT's recruits and Flowers. Over time he lost the team and didn't recruit well. So CJS started with a mentally downtrodden team during covid with no depth to speak of...

This year was the first year going in, that we actually had skill at all of the skilled positions. Then injury after injury after injury. How can anyone hold that against a coach? Whether you like him or not, he can't win without his starters. 

When you fire coaches knowing they never really had a chance, it looks terrible. Especially when they look worse for being associated with your program. The job then goes from being desirable, to a death nail to anyone's career. 

So, contrary to popular belief, actually look at the team play, and not at the win loss column. They have been playing worlds better. The offense looked functional even with a backup quarterback. The defense looked great until they had to live on the field. 

I'm not sold entirely on CJS, but I don't believe anyone could've done better with the hand that he's dealt right now. 

You’re seriously kidding, right? (Insert dumpster fire gif)

12 hours ago, Rocky Style said:

True just because someone is good doesn't mean they can coach, and actually vice versa.

This nonsense about hiring former players as coaches to make you feel better about this stain of a program is comical-  it’s how we got here to this listless position to begin with- you don’t hire on ‘gut’ you hire someone that empirically shows evidence of competence- MK is on the steep slope of learning -enough  of this bullshi*.

1-23 or whatever we are…ambivalence.

Burn it down. Get rid of this flimsy goon coach and send him to be a high school linebackers coach and actually learn and study from the beginning where he belongs.  
 

This is done. Anyone arguing anything else isn’t looking.  He should be fired.  Talking around it in circles is losers fodder.  Fire Scott now. 

1 minute ago, TheUpperHand said:

I've heard the argument that 2020 shouldn't count since it was CJS' first year. But there are at least 8 coaches who were hired the year after CJS, took over a team worse than 4-8 and has accumulated more wins than CJS has in less time. And most of these are teams that are either in a smaller conference or are the small fish in a power conference. There's no reason, CJS shouldn't be able to recruit enough talent for us to win 5 or 6 games while playing in the AAC by now, and even that's setting a low bar.

Now, I'm not trying to compare us to these teams, I'm just saying there are a good amount of coaches who have just as hard (if not harder) job in rebuilding their respective teams in their respective conferences and have done more in less time. There's no excuse for, at game 25, us still looking like we've never seen a football field before.

Jeff Scott
2019: 4-8
Since: 4-21

Blake Anderson, Utah State
2020: 1-5
Since: 12-4

Shane Beamer, South Carolina
2020: 2-8
Since: 8-8

Josh Heupel, Tennessee
2020: 3-7
Since: 10-6

Bret Bielema, Illinois
2020: 2-6
Since: 8-8

Lance Leipold, Kansas
2020: 0-9
Since: 6-10

Kane Wommack, South Alabama
2020: 4-7
Since: 7-8

Terry Bowden, ULM
2020: 0-10
Since: 5-10

Clark Lea, Vanderbilt
2020: 0-9
Since: 6-11

Agreed.  Explaining Scott’s failures are a failure in search of an explanation. He is USF’s worst coach by any objective analysis in USF’s  history.  It will take his firing for some of you to acknowledge it but trust me, we’ll get there.

1-21 and there are still ‘Branch Davidian’ style adherence to this joke of a coach after 3 years. I’m literally choking laughing and crying at the same time that people log into this MB to defend the 4% winning record. Burn it down, Waco style.

2 minutes ago, dclenden said:

The law of unintended consequences of this hyperopic consolidation of big school names is that while intending to pool the ‘big money’, they neglect to acknowledge the negative influence of unpairing decades of intermediate football rivalries attempt to disrupt the Goliath (Duke vs FSU, et al).  An attempt to only pool the perennial schools underscores the power brokers misunderstanding of the essential cog that makes the NCAA system appeal to so many outside of Austin and Gainesville.  The lack of David vs Goliath stories will have a greater effect than they give credit to.  
 

Seeing only the big winners play each other will be attract many, though over time the elimination of the chance an up and coming to excel against a Goliath is essential in the NCAA system of appeal and will tire the average consumer.  America likes the undergoes- always has.   I believe this missing key element will eventually come at a cost. Most in the US don’t watch college football from Ann Arbor, Gainesville, Austin or Big Bend.  Instead the majority of college football is watched from an aggregate of places like Boise, Duluth, Memphis  and Lubbock.  Over time this will result in a greater cost than originally intended IMO.

The MLB recognized this aggregate value in the 1990’s when they instituted revenue sharing nearly 3 decades ago with great success.  College football has decided to go instead into left field by aggregating the equivalent of LA Dodgers, Yankees and Astros into a single division.  It will blow up in their face- not immediately, but slowly over time through apathy and attrition.  Even the MLB recognized this.

Sorry fellas that I accidentally abbreviated then duplicated my post trying to fix it.

The law of unintended consequences of this hyperopic consolidation of big school names is that while intending to pool the ‘big money’, they neglect to acknowledge the negative influence of unpairing decades of intermediate football rivalries attempt to disrupt the Goliath (Duke vs FSU, et al).  An attempt to only pool the perennial schools underscores the power brokers misunderstanding of the essential cog that makes the NCAA system appeal to so many outside of Austin and Gainesville.  The lack of David vs Goliath stories will have a greater effect than they give credit to.  
 

Seeing only the big winners play each other will be attract many, though over time the elimination of the chance an up and coming to excel against a Goliath is essential in the NCAA system of appeal and will tire the average consumer.  America likes the undergoes- always has.   I believe this missing key element will eventually come at a cost. Most in the US don’t watch college football from Ann Arbor, Gainesville, Austin or Big Bend.  Instead the majority of college football is watched from an aggregate of places like Boise, Duluth, Memphis  and Lubbock.  Over time this will result in a greater cost than originally intended IMO.

The MLB recognized this aggregate value in the 1990’s when they instituted revenue sharing nearly 3 decades ago with great success.  College football has decided to go instead into left field by aggregating the equivalent of LA Dodgers, Yankees and Astros into a single division.  It will blow up in their face- not immediately, but slowly over time through apathy and attrition.  Even the MLB recognized this.

The law of unintended consequences of this hyperopic consolidation of big school names is that while intending to pool the ‘big money’, they neglect to acknowledge the negative influence of unpairing decades of intermediate football rivalries attempt to disrupt the Goliath (Duke vs FSU, et al).  An attempt to only pool the perennial schools underscores the power brokers misunderstanding of the essential cog that makes the NCAA system appeal to so many outside of Austin and Gainesville.  The lack of David vs Goliath stories will have a greater effect than they give credit to.  
 

Seeing only the big winners play each other will be attract many, though over time the elimination of the chance an up and coming to excel against a Goliath is essential in the NCAA system of appeal and will tire the average consumer.  America likes the undergoes- always has.   I believe this missing key element will eventually come at a cost. Most in the US don’t watch college football from Ann Arbor, Gainesville, Austin or Big Bend.  Instead the majority of college football is watched from an aggregate of places like Boise, Duluth, Memphis  and Lubbock.  Over time this will result in a greater cost than originally intended IMO. 

19 minutes ago, Friscobull said:

Just one question, where the hell is the 20% that does not meet this criteria?  I agree though that we were very bad at the very worst time which didn’t help our plight, sometimes it is better to be lucky than good and unfortunately we were neither.

 Agreed.  

Historically some poor choices by USF but also some bad timing and bad luck. Timing remains critically important.  USF football remained largely on its back when it needed to be appealing, high performing and wildly  successful during realignment discussions.  The fact that this realignment stream is 80% nonsense, noise or impotent bickering amongst Bulls reveals exactly where we are.  

9 minutes ago, Rocky Style said:

Considering getting some property up there...  It was quite nice.

Pretty place- though as most places prices for lakefront are awfully expensive.  My wife and I have discovered this this year as we have been in search for a place.    Good luck in your search Rocky.

Just now, NewEnglandBull said:

Yeah those times seem long ago dc. We are on this downward turn and cannot get out of it. You are a good fan for hanging in there. Hopefully something better happens soon. 

You too.   My wife and I as I think I previously mentioned to you years ago used to live in Boston- now were in St Pete, however, are currently in Gilford, NH, for the summer, in the Lakes Region (wife grew up here)- not terribly far from you!  Here just for the summer on Lake Winni- beautiful place, to be sure.  Used to shiver at the UCONN FB games watching our Bulls sometimes win.  Never been to Amherst but have driven past many times on 93 on my way from Boston.

Just now, USFBULL_08 said:

I still think this a UCF troll account.

That matters. A ton.