bullsfan1983

It’s basically an extension of the current medical redshirt rule which allowed a player to play in 4 games, have an injury and then have 4 more years of eligibility. 

Worth a flyer. Transfers rarely amount to their high school projections. I’d imagine two time transfers even less so. Can’t hurt to have another QB on the roster. It will be an uphill climb for him to start this year after missing all spring. 

Assume this is for the CFP national champion and not a mythical proclaimed championship. In that case it is a suckers bet to bet on any team outside of the P5. 

ECU, UConn, and USF are solidly in. Houston and UCF are probably in if season ended now with their good wins and UCF RPI up to 37. Wichita has great RPI but 5-10 in conference probably leaves them out. 

14 minutes ago, NewEnglandBull said:

And if I am not mistaken the AAC actually had more picks in last year’s draft. 

You are correct. 

They will fill with their yearly FCS. Florida is now scheduling 2 FCS opponents per year. 

Looking back at the original rankings. So Texas Tech, Arizona, and UCLA are better than any team in the American. Despite all these teams losing to American teams last year. Baylor is 9 spots higher than the top American team. They were 1-11 in 2017 with a lone win over a Kansas team that has 1 FBS victory since 2014. Heck, Kansas is actually ranked over teams like SMU who would probably be double digit favorites in a head to head. Not sure who compiles this ranking or what the inputs are, but they seem highly questionable. 

The FPI is basically garbage. Duke ranked 20-40 spots ahead of 3 ranked AAC teams. I don’t even know what they base 2018 numbers on before a game is played. Recruiting?

21 hours ago, NewEnglandBull said:

****, I did not know they won a National Championship in basketball too...

2 of them

https://www.sbnation.com/2018/2/20/17032600/louisville-vacated-national-championship-ucf

1 hour ago, chapelbull said:

Lol, every one of those teams finishes in the top half of the AAC.  Maybe even top 3 

Arkansas was curbstomped by a .500 Sun Belt team but would be competing for top 3 in the AAC. I love it. 

17 minutes ago, chapelbull said:

Lol, every one of those teams finishes in the top half of the AAC.  Maybe even top 3 

Based on common sense. 

15 hours ago, chapelbull said:

and Bama, Auburn, and Georgia's schedules were ranked higher.  What's your point? 

Yeah playing in the SEC championship and/or playoff/peach bowl did bump their ranking up but still 11 of the 14 teams in the SEC (including Alabama) has sechedules ranked outside the top 35. There are 13 other teams in the SEC and they play 8 conference games so there is no guarantee of a tough schedule in a year where only 5 teams are any good. My point seemed pretty obvious, but I’ll explain further. Some teams that played “SEC schedules” had worse strength of schedules than UCF. They didn’t go undefeated. SEC east was the 9th toughest division in football. Followed (narrowly) by the AAC West. 2 of the 3 teams you mentioned (plus Arkansas) are the only SEC teams that played very difficult schedules. This isn’t a typical year. Florida, Tennessee, and Arkansas were all looking for coaches. Vandy sucked. Missouri, TAMU, and Kentucky got fat on weak OoC schedules to barely get bowl eligible. Outside of the 3 you mention, the SEC was nothing special. 

Are we the groupies?

19 minutes ago, puc86 said:

This is better 

That’s basically the American with UCF and Navy replacing Louisville and TCU. 

3 hours ago, chapelbull said:

It's based mostly on common sense, but we could look at the 3 SEC teams in the top 10 of Sagarin's rankings plus the 2 more just behind UCF's.   I appreciate the homerism and would love to see an 8 team playoff including at least 1 G5 school, but comparing an SEC schedule to the AAC is a little farfetched.

So “common sense”. Like I figured. So Missouri playing in the SEC and having a weaker schedule than UCF in Sagarin doesn’t matter because of common sense?

8 hours ago, chapelbull said:

Of course it's speculation, they didn't actually play.  But even an ounce of realistic, nonbiased assessment tells us that the "weak" SEC this year was far superior to the AAC.  The fact that the SEC was "weak" this year is why UCF or USF may have had a shot at .500 this year.

Is the non biased assessment something like Sagarin which shows Missouri played a weaker schedule than UCF or is it some sort of “eye test”?

Hell I’d take 5 or 6 conference wins even. It would be the first time since the big east split. 

4 minutes ago, chapelbull said:

Every one of those teams finishes in the upper half of the AAC.  Heck, most of them probably have a good shot at winning it.  And the argument is UCF should be CoChamps or have a shot in the CFP because they went 13-0 so saying they wouldn't be 13-0 in the SEC is "logical".  But I'll take it a step further and say they would have been lucky to finish .500 in the SEC this year.  And I'm not an SEC shill in the least, but realistically we and UCF are not built to withstand the grind of a week in, week out SEC schedule.

Most years I agree this year the SEC was horrible and many teams had lame duck coaching situations. Missouri finished above .500 and their wins were Missouri State, Idaho, UConn, Florida (with interim coach), Vanderbilt, Tennessee (with interim coach), and Arkansas (with lame duck coach). If you don’t think UCF could have pulled that off I’ll have some of what you are smoking. There were 3 excellent teams in the SEC this year, 2 other teams that on a game to game basis could give a top team trouble and then garbage. 

3 hours ago, chapelbull said:

Actually, saying UCF is in the same class as Bama or UGA is being in denial.  Again, we can argue that there should be an expanded playoff format that gives a team like UCF a shot at winning a national title, but under the current format there is no way they deserve to be CoChamps.  Just not realistic. There is literally no way they go 13-0 playing an SEC type schedule.

They wouldn't need to go 13-0 to get in the playoff in the SEC so the argument whether or not they could is not logical. Alabama's "SEC gauntlet" was Vanderbilt (5-7)-Ole Miss (6-6)-TAMU (7-6)-Arkansas(4-8)-Tennessee(4-8) then they had a couple close wins, their best wins over LSU and Miss State, played a FCS cupcake in the middle of the conference schedule and then lost their only game vs a top 20 opponent. Here is sagarin elo rankings for some sec teams. It is basically 3 great teams in Auburn, Alabama, and Georgia, a couple other fringe top 25 teams in South Carolina and Miss State and then garbage.

florida 91
tennessee 119
arkansas 102
ole miss 106
texas a&m 46
lsu 34
vanderbilt 105
kentucky 73
missouri 78

Tacko fall out for season. 2 other starters out for this game. Do we have a shot?

10 hours ago, raptorcj said:

AFC-NFC is an interesting analogy, but I don't know if completely segregating is the right move here. UCF doing this whole "champions" thing is hurting more than helping IMO--it's like declaring that G5 is separate division which i don't like, since that would play into the P5's hands.

G5 is a separate division as long as there in no seat at the table for a P5 national championship. I’m sure in the committees eyes it is a separate division. There is no way to schedule good enough in G5 because 2/3 of the schedule is out of a teams control. 

The SEC schedule argument is crap when the SEC east was atrocious this year. Per sagarin UCF SoS was 70. Missouri was 72. Ole Miss 67. Vandy 66. As it ended up Alabama played the 38th toughest schedule but it was in the high 60s before they played 2 playoff games against top teams. 

At least it’s not a billboard proclaiming to be national champs. If they can get a series with Alabama who never plays true road games out of conference then more power to them. All AAC teams should call out P5 teams when they refuse to schedule us or buy out the games on years where we are good. 

Anyone who says Auburn wasn’t motivated is just regurgitating ESPN talking points. Anyone who watched the game and their near comeback, block fg, running back throwing defenders off, d linemen body slamming UCFs running back, etc. would not share the opinion that Auburn wasn’t motivated to play. I think Auburn is just a very different team outside of their home stadium. They were 3-4 when not playing at home. I honestly think Alabama offense with Hurts was nothing special so not surprised they could lose to Auburn. 

Future expansion for the P5 will almost certainly come from the American or BYU. Don't think a fake championship declared by UCF will change that. When the last talk of expansion came about, 8 of the 12 announced candidates were from the American. The others were BYU, Rice, Air Force, and Colorado State.