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Negotiating and settling is faster and cheaper than prolonged litigation in multiple venues. Incredibly deep thoughts for a Big 12 rumormonger. 

41 minutes ago, UCF_rustbucket said:

What would massively suck for them is if the ACC falls apart before they even get ACC tv payout. But I think some version of the ACC will survive.

If the ACC falls apart signifying USF is stuck in the G5 seeing SMU come crawling back to the AAC would be the only highlight for me. 

Imagine SMU agreeing to accept nothing and having to pay to get out to got to the B12. For having a bunch of rich alumni this sure would be a bad financial move. 

It’s a shame Gallagher passed before the NIL started. We’d have watermelon smashing money to fight off those billionaires.

My sources say  Karter is very concerned about the UV Index and local cost of healthcare so he’s going to Arkansas with Calipari over USF. 

If college football threatened the NFL the NFL could allow players straight out of high school to be drafted and setup a minor league feeder system for kids not ready for the NFL. They could also schedule games running against college games on tv. It’d be tough to compete. 

I read that it takes 8 votes to dissolve the ACC. I’ve seen Swaim speculate to: FSU, Clemson, UVA, UNC, NC ST, Miami, ND, Pitt, Syracuse, and UL all wanting out of the ACC. Based on his reporting they have the numbers to disband, so they should do that and avoid all this legal mumbo-jumbo regarding the grant of rights.

Unless they don’t actually have the votes and Swaim is making it up as he goes. 

Hopefully we spellcheck the presentation this time.

44 minutes ago, Cat941 said:

I await the day he's forced to walk back some of his hyperbole.  

Not to be morbid, but I think you mentioned he’s in Hospice. 

It’s hard not to laugh at the B12 supporters wishing death on the ACC. Are they really so dense that they think the P2 are done after destroying the ACC? If the ACC folds or gets relegated there will be the P2, the B12 alone in the middle cutting into P2 profits, and the G5. It’s not that hard to identify the next casualty. Adding a few ACC leftovers isn’t going to save them. 

The gatekeeper remains the GOR until a court says it isn’t. If a court affirms the GOR it’s unlikely many teams can afford to leave, so the ACC will survive in some form.

Sure FSU, Clemson, UNC, whoever else has invites waiting to the B1G/SEC can afford to pay a hefty negotiated buyout because it will still be profitable for them in the end. Schools trying to negotiate a settlement to get to the B12 are going to have a much harder time justifying it because the pot of gold at the end of their rainbow is much smaller. Especially since we have no idea what the future of college football is, and the B12 would be the last road block living on borrowed time to a true P2. 

As an aside, I think FSU’s motion to dismiss has merit, and their case ends up in FL state court. If that happens the ACC will likely be forced to settle to maintain the GOR or risk a court giving the death blow to the ACC. 

TLDR: Still waiting on the courts to determine GOR validity. 

Gotta love that Greg Swaim slings everything at the wall and claims victory when something sticks. Just this year he has predicted TAMU will leave the SEC for the B1G and that the SEC was targeting Kansas State, Ok. St., and Texas Tech amongst a few other more logical choices.

If he really has inside “sources” in any conference they’ve made a game out of feeding him bad information and watching him spread it.

There’s a market for NC St?

Personally, I think as more schools file suit the ACC should start negotiating reduced exit fees with schools that likely have spots in the P2. The absolute worst case scenario for the ACC is having a judge determine the GOR is unenforceable. If that happens it’s going to be tough to hold it together.

The ACC would get nothing from the schools going to the P2, and some schools will bolt for the B12 for stability if there’s no penalty. If there’s still a question of the enforceability of the GOR it will likely keep schools that may go to the B12 from challenging it as the reward doesn’t outweigh the penalty.

Admittedly, I would love for USF to get an invite to either the ACC or B12 for obvious reasons (wouldn’t we all?). I don’t think either really has a huge advantage over the other, and I’m probably bias growing up on the east coast. I remember seeing team TV ratings comparing the ACC/B12/PAC from last year, and they were pretty close to each other if you exclude FSU and UW/UO. 
 

My belief is they need each other to survive as the mid-tier conferences between the P2 and the G5. I hope we get an invite and they work cooperatively to distance themselves from the G5. 

I personally rank the ACC leftovers above the B12 on the field, and it’s close on TV viewership as well. That being said, it’s really splitting hairs and the P2 will eventually exclude both. 

If the B12 poaches the ACC it will start the countdown on their own demise. The B1G and SEC’s end game isn’t a triumvirate with them and the B12. Without any other middle conferences to be grouped with it’s just a matter of time until the B12 joins the have nots. 

Does this plan encourage more realignment, or does it bring some stability?

This is from memory, but I think the 99 year agreement cost OU and Texas about $50m each. I think that was negotiated from the original penalty of $80m each. It makes sense if a school is going to the B1G or SEC, but not so much to the ACC.

However, Utah didn’t agree to the deal when they joined. It seems like Utah really didn’t want to join, but had no other option. 

Even if the B1G and SEC broke off and made tons of money the rest of college football would be more entertaining without them. They should take their ball and go. 

What’s a “media legal expert,” and why would someone in that position know anymore about the FSU/ACC court proceedings and future hypothetical contract negotiations than the rest of us? I’m starting to think some of these guys don’t really have inside information and are just making up facts as they go. 

We probably haven’t heard much about USF recently because nothing is happening or people actually in the know aren’t tweeting about high level negotiations or plans. 
 

Realistically, nothing is going to happen this round until the FSU v ACC lawsuit is resolved. Obviously that could take time, and it’s still in the early stages of fighting over which court will hear it. The top ACC teams appear to be the big catch this round of expansion, and we’re stuck waiting for a lifeline when the dust settles. 

What’s really wild about NET rankings to me, besides how poorly we’re doing in them, is that beating the number 1 or 75 team on the road are both Q1 wins. Same with 30 at home, but 31 at home is a Q2. I realize lines must be drawn somewhere, but teams 1 place apart should count equally whereas teams 74 spots apart probably shouldn’t. 
 

The only solution is to win the AAC tournament.