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3 minutes ago, smazza said:

we need fresh new leadership at the helm

The problem is that throughout the entire athletics facility, there are tons of people who have been there for 15+years. Thats not 15 succesful years. Its the entire time it took to put the entire program in the toilet.  The entire admin needs a washing, excluding softball and WBB.  People need to stop saying that Kelly is driving these facilities- its the board and Law working together. 
Kelly has struck out on scott, and there is no sport better now than when he got here. Its easy for him to claim we need to extend everyone to show stability when he is running a program that has one of the highest budgets among its conference mates, and has been absolutley abysmal in terms of actual on field results. 
 

Social media lacks any creativity, the uniforms/promotions are just boring and tired. Excuses abound everywhere because nobody in that building can look at themselves in the mirror and acknowledge they just are not good enough. 

32 minutes ago, Triple B said:

Is my memory failing me or was Roberts not roasted on this board when he was here? As far as the staff being held accountable for them leaving, they're pretty much getting slammed for everything. Is there really a need to get into minutiae like that? Who knows why those players left to begin with and if the staff even had a chance of stopping them ...

Roberts had attitude issues, Sanders did not get a chance here - just casted off.  I think the problem is this fan base slamming them for everything.  I totally understand GB going down and taking losses if the backup is not as good.  The problem that we have as a fanbase is the maniacal anger across the board. Instead of Screaming for CJS the press should be asking him why there is one side, or even more specifically group that has totally failed to progress during his tenure?  What is being done to rectify that?  Why would a player like Sanders who by all accounts was a good kid and played well here choose to go to NV when he is a "Bay Made" guy?

I agree that we are close, and still invested in this program, but it seems like Scott is 3-4 steps behind on personnel decisions- both player personnel and definitely on the coaching personnel side. How can he sell building a culture, if he cant bring in, retain, and develop his players? Making a change at DB coach or even DC during the off week would send a strong message to the team and fans that these results are not USF worthy.  Letting this simmer to the offseason will only result in losing talent and fans. 

I am worried that the Injured players excuse is being accepted way too easily by everyone.   The offense has lost a starting OL, their projected top 2 RB, and 2-3 of their top 6 WR's- Trickett and Co has found a way to make it work.  The defensive side has injuries and lack of depth up front- but somehow they are not a glaring weakness.  The DB's are just bad, and its probably not the players that are bad, they are not being coached up and put in a position to be successful.  Scott's patience with these coaches- Shoop (DC and Safties) and Barlow (CB for past two seasons) will kill this programs potential and all progress he has made. 

17 minutes ago, lotsofbull99 said:

Agreed, team looks better than the last two years, Saturday’s don’t seem completely hopeless 

The offense has been hiding the defensive issues.  Once GB was injured, the D was exposed again.  Its clear to see that Scott has increased the talent on both sides of the ball, but his DB's are going to get him fired if he does not address.  The D line is now getting pressure, and it seems like the LB's are decent to good when we get Gordon and Grier back.   But the fact that there is maybe one serviceable DB on this team is extremely bad. Especially when Nick Roberts and Bentlee Sanders are at other D1 programs and are very successful.  Sanders Leads D1 in interceptions.  Why is this staff not being held accountable for this talent going to lesser programs and being better than what is on the roster?

2 hours ago, Gatorbull325 said:

 I think the problem is that Spencer and Shoop aren't big recruiters. Spencer really is not a good recruiter and left us NOTHING to work with. That is my biggest issue with CJS. He favored the offense waaaay too much when recruiting and left the defense bare. And on top of it, our offense is still not that great. I can't wait until Darrien Grant graduates. It's time for some new blood on our defensive line. When Clyde Pinder and Ash didnt work out, we should have went harder in the portal to replace them. I knew losing those two would come back to bite us in the a$$. 

	Year	Coach	Def Co.	Wins	Losses	Rank by Yards per game	Rank by points allowed	Total Yards	YDS/G	P YDS	P YDS/G	R YDS	R YDS/G	Points	PTS/G
1	2004	Leavitt	Burnham	4	7	76	94	4383	398	2728	248	1655	150.5	351	31.9
2	2005	Leavitt	Burnham	6	6	20	14	3443	313	1858	168.9	1585	144.1	202	18.4
3	2006	Leavitt	Burnham	9	4	24	24	3563	297	2119	176.6	1444	120.3	213	17.8
4	2007	Leavitt	Burnham	9	4	21	26	3921	327	2577	214.8	1344	112	248	20.7
5	2008	Leavitt	Burnham	8	5	13	30	3501	292	2329	194.1	1172	97.7	246	20.5
6	2009	Leavitt	Tresey	8	5	24	19	4183	322	2422	186.3	1761	135.5	257	19.8
7	2010	Holtz	Snyder	8	5	17	22	4133	318	2500	192.3	1633	125.6	260	20
8	2011	Holtz	Snyder	5	7	39	37	4216	351	2928	244	1288	107.3	272	22.7
9	2012	Holtz	Cosh	3	9	67	57	4822	402	3023	251.9	1799	149.9	329	27.4
10	2013	Taggart	Bresnahan	2	10	21	74	4209	351	2532	211	1677	139.8	343	28.6
11	2014	Taggart	Bresnahan	4	8	74	68	4837	403	2642	220.2	2195	182.9	324	27
12	2015	Taggart	Allen	8	5	37	23	4334	361	2647	220.6	1687	140.6	253	21.1
13	2016	Taggart	Woody	11	2	119	86	5785	482	3322	276.8	2463	205.3	372	31
14	2017	Strong	Jean-Mary	10	2	14	37	3768	343	2378	216.2	1390	126.4	248	22.5
15	2018	Strong	Jean-Mary	7	6	104	91	5303	442	2367	197	2936	244	378	31.5
16	2019	Strong	Jean-Mary	4	8	74	75	4777	398.1	2274	189.5	2503	208.6	347	28.8
17	2020 (9gms)	Scott	Spencer	1	8	91	118	3973	441	2062	229	1911	212.3	359	39.9
18	2021	Scott	Spencer	2	10	118	109	5657	471.4	3170	264	2487	207	417	34.7
19	2022	Scott	Shoop	1	6	120	119	3415	487.9	1869	267	1546	220	263	37.5

It's not the players that are recruited. We have d castoffs that are playing well elsewhere. 

The defensive staff, particularly shoop and the db coach can not coach. 

On the other side of the ball, Trickett can put up points EVEN WHILE dealing with injuries and recievers who are having issues with drops. He has figured out how to use motion, get guys in space and open up the running game.  Players are developing and improving on offense. It's a stark contrast from 2019 and 20 where we couldn't buy points. 

Our secondary is just flat out bad. How many drops did Tulane Wr's have last week? At least 4. How many times do we see DB's attacking and breaking up passes? Never.  Every opposing qb is completing 65-75% of passes against us. This staff has a ton of DB's and can not get more than one to be serviceable.  Even worse, it seems like the DB's we get to come in via transfer regress over their time here. On top of this we still have DB's getting burnt downfield. May as well play to defend short medium passes and take your chances with a lower percentage completion downfield.  

Not sure why we don't see shoop gone, and have Sims and Daprato share DC duties to close out the year. It can not get worse than it already is. 

Gotta say, its not the players. Shoop cant coach. Scott is soft, this team takes on the jeff scott aww shucks mentality. 
 

Kelly hired Scott. Scott botched his coordinator hires. If kelly cant clean this mess up, sweep him out with the rest of the garbage.  The OCS is all weatherford and law.  Kelly is just the athletics face. 

Clean house and hire Derrick Brooks to replace Kelly, he can be the bew version of LRS. 
 

The excuses have to stop. This team needs to harden up.  

Bohannon should be completing 62%+ of his passes. 

I really think that these 4 pre conference games were needed to get him on the same page with the WR group. Probably will see some more issues on sat, but I really believe he will find what works and who works by Oct 1st. 

Seeing him run has cemented my opinion that the choice to go with him over TM was right. We went to the game, the poise GB showed was great. He has to clean up his accuracy, but he finishes his runs like a power RB. 

To think that by Oct 1, or at latest the 8th at Cincinatti, we will have Joiner back, Horn should be healthy- two huge weapons on offense that will help spread the field out for the passing game to improve. If this team can continue their trajectory AAC play will be a fun time. 

2 minutes ago, Outlaw said:

for once I can say I am **** proud this is my coach. Did he talk to Jim before the game or what? I saw him screaming at the refs all night.

If and only if. Time will tell. Switch to the spread option all season. Battie is our RB1, Gerry B can run the RPO and option. The receivers and passing game need work. The defense is  big question but they did their part tonight.

The fact that he went with battie has me sold.

In the past they would roll with mangham just based on liking him.  Theybput their best guys out there. 

Thwy did this without their 3rd best offensive player - horn was out there but he has to be hurt. He would have made a difference in the running and passing game. Bohannon has poise but has to work on not locking on a wr, and also he is missing his guys high. 

If they play well a next week, the BYU game looks as if it may have been a combo of jitters, and figuring out who are practice all Americans and who are actually gamers. 

The 2nd half defense may have been this teams "syracuse" moment. It seemed like something definitely clicked for this team out there today. 

11 minutes ago, Bull Awakening said:

I couldn’t stomach watching college football following the loss to BYU. So next weekend I expect USF to win big. Then I can enjoy college football again

Same here- Tried watching FSU/LSU and it just made me think about the gap that this program faces.  But then I think about how the rival team up the road dealt with multiple 0 win seasons only to come back stronger, and feel a bit better because it is possible to come back from terribleness- we just need the right hires.  

At least we will know by mid October one way or the other if we have the right people in place to turn this thing around.  I feel like the fan base needs to sit tight until then- if this team looks like they did Saturday on Oct 15th against Tulane, then by all means go into full revolt.  

25 minutes ago, bulloni said:

Finally saw some details, that Battie's dad was with 8 players after the game and they aren't happy with the coaching staff.

 

Its not a good look on the parents to be on twitter airing complaints after the first game.  At the end of the day, these kids are 17-22 years old, an age where being measured and composed after emotional events is not possible.   Going on to twitter after the game to let angry fans know that these kids said was just irresponsible and did nothing to help.  If anything the "twitter herd" set themselves back with what went on in that group chat- I think the leaders solution was to call up the Coastal Carolina or App State coach and ask them to take USF job.  This was just a bunch of sad fans who needed to vent.  Do these people really think that somewhere out there Rhea Law is listening to the twitter space, and considering firing VPMK or CJS?   You want to have a successful program? Then stop acting like a bunch of middle school kids who need to vent and cry when things don't go your way. 

Former players on twitter talking smack also shouldn't get much attention- especially when they came from a USF group that was way more broken than this one.  At this point, the best thing to do is to support the team.  It was one terrible game. Yes the staff should be held accountable.  Players too.  But it was one game.  The game was over after the reversed replay TD call.   Any results after that should have been viewed with a healthy dose of skepticism.  

Suck it up, support the team, and try to affect change at the end of the year- Nobody is asking for a Jeff Scott fan club.  This is the team we have for this year- we are fans its our job to Support them, if we are looking for in season firings go find a P5 team or NFL team to support.  It aint happening here for the foreseeable future. 

Totally disappointed in this fan base.  This loss is not as bad as McNeese State, its not even as bad as getting the doors blown off at Tulane last year.  I get that we all were hyped up by this admin this offseason, and really the past three years, but going off the deep end like these people are doing is pretty extreme. 

31 minutes ago, Bulls On Parade said:

We heard all off season OC was going to get playmakers in space and an aggressive defense then that pathetic showing not doing either.

All I can hope for is a tremendous improvement vs Howard...we pound them 50+ to 3 like score....not a 31 to 17 type score. 

This team is now mostly 90% Scott's guys. Talent exist on the team..time for these coaches to use it.

If at some point this team doesn't have its 2015 Syracuse game where it starts clicking and this team goes to win multiple games he has to go. 

My young kids and I stayed until the end of the game hoping for the "Syracuse moment".  Seems like Trickett shut it down the last 2 drives of the game. 

The circumstances of this game have allowed me to stay somewhat positive for another week, my wife and I will be on vacation for the Howard game, so my 8 year old son will be giving me updates.  This game needs to be 40+ to 17 or less or else this team is in trouble. 

Again, looking back- you had the jet sweep TD, the pick 6, and the blown coverage TD all in the first 6 minutes of this game.  Hard to keep composed with that happening- in the past we would have seen a penalty fest ensue- these kids stayed disciplined and tried their best to recover.  Have to hope that this game did not break them mentally.

But I will die on this hill, any USF offense that does not feature at least 2-3 Jet sweeps and 2-3 bubble screens a game will not be successful here.  UCF built their entire success on fast plays and players.  You can beat a better team using speed.   This school is not going to get a bunch of huge, physical, technically sound guys- so they need to literally run other teams off of the field.  CJS has been resistant to do this with his hires, and here we are.  Michael Kelly is doing huge things on the administration side, but his biggest failure has been not realizing where we are and how we need to play in order to win.  With all this talk about being in alignment- he is not aligning his football hires with this in mind.

12 minutes ago, TromBull12 said:

I mean there really is hope for the future. Did y'all see that Louisville score? Maybe going up against (hopefully legit) top 25 competition will give us added fuel to keep pushing. Once we turn the corner this will all be worth it. 

Howard, Louisville,  East Carolina,  Tulane, Temple,  Tulsa, are all wins if the second half team comes out and plays a whole game. 

Shoot I appreciate the fact that GB didn't have to run for his life all night. Unless I missed something, there were no sacks. That's a huge win. I can't remember the last time a qb had time to go through his progressions. 

1st half was all of the bad we have to suffer this year put into one game. 

I like the positivity.  Ive been fooled many times by this team so I am jaded. 
 

After reflecting on this:

I think what makes this loss so bad is that this year there are players.  In the past there has been a severe lack of talent. This year we returned almost everyone- and look worse for it. 
Khafre Brown and Jimmy Horn are blazing fast, yet we got to see BYU torch us for a jet screen- something this offense should be able to do. 
 

My fear is we have another oc out here running plays that only work when you have a top 10 offensive line.  You say the run game was shut down? ********. Why was no attempt made to run outside creatively? The one time they did that battie had open field and ran in for a TD. 
 

On defense, we got caught with our pants down. Either that gets fixed at the UF game, or its a long season.  Tackling is still a huge issue.  
 

Adrenaline  is a hell of a thing  and its totally possible this team was amped and that delay just did them in.

Positives?  Tramell Logan played great on the edge and was active all night.  The d line was not as terrible as they have been in the past.  Weaver is still good, but dropped a TD pass.  Jimmy Horn is a beast but totally under utilized. 
Student section showed up, CJS should be begging them for another chance to come back.  More usf fans than byu fans, but I must say the die hard older guys who are always positive left shaking their heads after the third score- cant lose those loyal guys. 

Next three weeks will make or break this program for the next 3 years. If they look this inept again, its going to be a real long term problem. 

 

I have to say  its not the DL, its not the OL, not the secondary that is bad. 
Its the fact that on defense the calls were coming in right as BYU was snapping the ball. That is on the DC. And Scott hired the DC, this is on him. 
the offense was not creative at all. There was no use of our speed. Running plays were bland. Bohannon missed 4-5 wide open throws, he didnt see 4-5 other guys who were wide open.  This staff put their money on GB and right now, that looks like a bad bet. 
 

Someone in this thread said these things are correctable- and maybe they would be for another staff. This staff had the same correctable issues last year and it took until the ucf game to try to fix. 
 

Outside of Da Prato, Simms, and Mogridge, this staff is not good. The new hires have just laid a big fat turd at raymond james stadium. This is on CJS. 
 

I am sure we will hear about injuries in the next few days, but until there is some serious self reflection by the coaching staff, its going to be a long year. 
 

These players are good enough to win. This staff is not good enough to win. 

42 minutes ago, 79 Bull said:

Same here in south Tampa.  Torrential downpour today with lots of lightning from 5:30 to 7:30.  Same timing tomorrow could make for an interesting second half that would start around 8:00!

GO BULLS!

Not a drop here in Clearwater.  Hopefully rain goes south and we just get cloudy hot humid nastiness. 

10 minutes ago, Brad said:

Gotta have some dogs, we're gonna find out soon if we do.

If we do I think its going to be Ray Thornton or DJ Gordon that brings them out.

6 minutes ago, Bull Gooner said:

So if the playoffs expand and all conference winners get a ticket to the dance, do we still want to be in the B12 or ACC?

Assuming the program finishes the long, slow turnaround, would we be cool with staying in the American if it meant the conference champ made the playoffs? It would make the "irrelevant" games against Tulsa or ECU much more fun if the chance to make the playoffs were on the line. (and then we'd have to pray for mercy against 'Bama or Ohio State) 

If this happens, we could see the AAC become like the mid majors in basketball.   A program like Gonzaga or Villanova in Basketball is 20x smaller than Kansas, Bama, etc. but pulls in players because they know they will have a line to the postseason and the exposure that it brings.   Selling USF to a local kid over Mid to low level Big 10 or SEC schools becomes a lot easier when you have the facilities and an easier path to the postseason every year.  Realistically a player could get more national exposure in an extended playoff scenario with a G5 school than he would playing at the Vandy's/Minnesota/Missouri's out there. 

1 hour ago, Brad said:

But can you teach that?

 

I think that is an attitude that has to be brought out.  If they can get out there, and one guy drops a huge hit it could be contagious.  The last time I saw anything remotely close to that attitude was Vincent Davis against UMass. Laid a guy right out on kick return and took the fumble 10 yards for a TD.  

Drop a guy like that in the beginning of this game will bring out a nasty side of the defense.  The past years they have played too timid to impose any fear in teams. 

6 minutes ago, Outlaw said:

Well not true all five  starting linemen are returning , several back ups for linemen, Weaver , Horn, Dollison, Carter, Atkins, Brown,Willis Brown, Seaborn, Berryhill, Reynolds,  Cucci, Williams, Magum, Joiner, Battie, Powell, marsh, and probably a few others were part of this offensive last year are back. The biggest issue is if we can run a scheme and plays that caters to our players with improved play from QB.  There is not magic wand that says just because a player has 1,2,3,4,5, or 6  years of college football experience they would turn into a better player. We have several solid pieces in each department Oline, receivers, running back, and hopefully  the new QBS(Gerry B,BB,Gunnar). We need improved coaching, improved QB play from Gerry B( I really think he is a big upgrade), improved play calling, improved schemes on offense to cater to our talent, and improved player development in year 3 from Coach Jeff Scott.  Now it looks like we will have some promising transfers (GerryB, Ajou,Dukes) but until we see results it is a guessing game. Lets just hope the new OC, Chad Morris advising, and Jeff Scott finally show us some elite offense this year.

This year basically comes down to how much of an improvement Shoop can make, and how much better can GB be than Timmy.   If Shoop improves to get the defense top 80 and GB is marginally better than Timmy, USF wins 6+ games this year.  

2 minutes ago, bulloni said:

https://www.npr.org/2022/08/28/1119848113/byu-duke-volleyball-racism-fan-banned

Not saying I don't believe you, but how did they figure out who was saying it and ban them then?

Oh I am saying I don't believe him. 

There is video of her serving, two of her teammates near her stopping and painting into the crowd.  And multiple Duke players complained, not just the one in question. 

This is the issue with BYU. Stop trying to defend the indefensible. 

11 minutes ago, bulloni said:

Another one is USF has never had a 3000 yard passer, Grothe and Flowers each threw for 2911 in a season. Gerry wasn't particularly close last year and I think we run the ball a lot so doubt that happens this year

I think Bohannon will surprise us with 2500+ yards passing this year.   I am willing to bet that we will see more 2 RB backfields and a lot more passes to them. That will help bump up the stats.  Expecting a big year from Bullspen RB Battie this year!!!

43 minutes ago, Brad said:

That's a meaningful stat?

Counting Ws, not receiving yards.

I think if CJS is going to be successful here, it may be.  His reputation is a WR developer- Renfroe, Martin, etc from Clemson.  Aside from Weaver and Horn, we have a bunch of guys with unrealized potential.  If he can develop one of these guys into a breakout season he can use that to bring in more higher end WR talent. If that happens, finding higher end QB talent will be easier because they will want to throw to the WR talent that is there.   

In the transfer portal era, we are seriously at risk of losing good players due to lack of stats.  If we see Weaver and Horn get 4-500 yards this year each, but have the talent to put up 800-1k somewhere else, there is a real risk of them leaving in order to put up stats and get drafted.  WR, RB, and QB all will be areas where we are at risk of this happening.  The incentive for a Weaver, Horn, Battie, etc to stay is that they will be able to put up the numbers to get noticed and have a realistic shot at being drafted.  Look at what strong did to D'ernest Johnson- if used the way he should have been, Johnson would have put up the numbers and most likely been a round 4+ draftee.  Instead he had to go RFA, and sit for 2+ years before getting his shot. 

Jet sweep. Gain of 8

10 hours ago, USFRaider said:

I will be very surprised if more than 30K come through the turnstiles. I am guessing it will be around 25k. 

If I remember correctly there were a lot of BYU fans in attendance back in 2019. 
I think we get them back again and hit 34k announced. 

Surprise of the day will be a pretty full student section- I feel like there may be some progress getting students buy in this year. 
 

Just now, CycleBull said:

One must ask themself, what is his skill set and why would they be of interest. I’d also say this is a clear indication that he thinks he can win a QB battle with whomever they get. This also doesn’t mean he made a bad move, maybe USF has a problem. 

Just objectively looking at the freshman qb who played at UCF last season, he was better than Timmy.  Is Timmy betting the backup does not develop?