Plantation Pete

I doubt the program is ruined. Last I checked we're not being demoted back to FCS status. Or being kicked out of the Big East. That's pretty much everything Leavitt worked for. He didn't get much further than that.

Hilarious. The man went from a trailer park to BCS #2 status in 10 years. Yeah, thats all Leavitt worked for.

Rankings only count at the end of the season.

Uh...And where does USF rank right now? When you're the doormat of the League you don't have to wait until the end of the season.

IT HAS NOW BEEN DESTROYED COMPLETELY.

and all it took was a chokeslap

In reality, it was a chokeslap that never happened. What it really took was Doug Woolard orchestrating a lynching.

we all read the reports with poorly redacted names. revisionist history is better known as mythology.

And who wrote that report?

Hmmm?

the program isn't destroyed, but keeping Skip any longer than this season will absolutely compound the problem.

IMO, the best way to send a message is to shitcan this bum RIGHT NOW. Kevin Patrick interim... seriously, Skipcan **** Holtz and even if we lose the rest of the season nobody will sit back and say "well if we had Skip we would have won." it's a no-lose situation for Doug Woolard.

Get rid of Woolard and Skip will follow.

IT HAS NOW BEEN DESTROYED COMPLETELY.

and all it took was a chokeslap

In reality, it was a chokeslap that never happened. What it really took was Doug Woolard orchestrating a lynching.

A perennial losing football team is a culture...a mindset that is developed over time. It happens when a team no longer believes in themselves and they find ways to lose. They'll sometimes hang in a game and put up a good fight, but always wither and die in the 4th quarter because they expect lose. It's a self-fulfilling prophecy.

Perennial losers believe in moral victories and make statements like,

"There's no shame in losing to a better team."

A great man from a great state once said...

"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics."

Those statistics include players that have gone on to the NFL before graduation as well as transfers.

She works for a Fortune 75 company and went to a multi company brainstorming session. She got to meet founder Kevin Plank. She really likes the people that work there and said its a very cool place. So, she told me, she has a contact high up there. Maybe, I could send a uniform wish list from fan and alumni up there. But the real reason I posted is because I thought it was neat that she said it was such a cool corporate HQ.

Oh and we were in a restaurant watching TV and the new Clay Matthews Fat Head commercial came on. And, lol, she said that AU was making Fat Heads of all those who came to the seminar so my wife is going to be on the wall at their HQ in Baltimore, lol.

Sorry to burst your bubble (not really), but Plank is a Leavitt supporter and played a part in Leavitt spending some quality time with Jim Harbaugh while he was still at Stanford.

Did you post in the wrong thread because what you wrote makes no sense at all. I doubt that Leavitt's head is a viable option on the side of next year's helmet. I did ask my wife to relay the ideas posted here for next year's uniform.

I think the point was too subtle for you and flew right over your pointy head.

She works for a Fortune 75 company and went to a multi company brainstorming session. She got to meet founder Kevin Plank. She really likes the people that work there and said its a very cool place. So, she told me, she has a contact high up there. Maybe, I could send a uniform wish list from fan and alumni up there. But the real reason I posted is because I thought it was neat that she said it was such a cool corporate HQ.

Oh and we were in a restaurant watching TV and the new Clay Matthews Fat Head commercial came on. And, lol, she said that AU was making Fat Heads of all those who came to the seminar so my wife is going to be on the wall at their HQ in Baltimore, lol.

Sorry to burst your bubble (not really), but Plank is a Leavitt supporter and played a part in Leavitt spending some quality time with Jim Harbaugh while he was still at Stanford.

First of all, if Skip was so hot, how come no other FBS school wanted him? He had a 1-3 Bowl Game record that was telling.

Second, Louisville is not as good as their ranking and the rest of the season will bear that out. I expect them to get thrashed by Rutgers, but will most likely lose at least one game before they travel to NJ at the end of the season. And Bridgewater is no where close to being one of the top QBs in the nation. I take it you missed K-State and Colin Klein completely and embarrassingly dismantling WVU and Geno Smith?

The bottom line is the team with the most talent on the field lost the game. That's damning.

Duke's team was total garbage for years. Huge blow outs. USF has a wave of anxiety about getting wins, INTs etc that is affecting how they play. That is the deal. If they were poorly coached they would be constantly blown out. That's not the case at all. That is why Skip got a raise because other programs were coming after him big time and letting him go last season when it seemed he is so close to putting the team in a BCS bowl didn't seem wise. The team gets emotional and someone blows a key play. They don't think about the play and are more worried about expectations and losing streaks and what people think than concentrating on execution. It isn't all game long, its at the end when the anxiety to win in a close game keeps coming in and its not every player. But for whatever reason, one or two players on one or two plays is killing USF and just can't be shaken. Getting all these seniors out and starting fresh may be just what's needed. Or a coaching change. Or mass hypnosis.

Yes, taking a Senior laden team with 15 returning starters was a really bad deal for Skip. He needs a chance to get some underclassmen in skill positions and in leadership roles.

**** that **** !!!!! We should have won that game an all the rest going back to last year some one has gotten to these players!!!! Tmaobk or vegas there is no waY we should be losing these games!!!

A wise old college football coach once told me...

"These are the kind of games you *have to* win."

Then we get what we are paying for.

We are getting screwed!

You pay a prostitute to leave...

"Here's your money. Now go."

It was a valiant effort, though, and a good moral victory. Hang in there. You'll get 'em next time.

Go suck an egg Peckerwood Pete!

Now, now...We should remain positive and commend the boys on their effort.

Before the game, everyone said we would get blown out. We just lost by two points on the road to the #16 team in the nation. Our best game of the year, by far. The coaching staff made several positive adjustments during the break. Our running game with Lamar and Shaw was terrific. The defense played a very good game, completely shutting down the run and getting Bridgewater off his stride in the second half. Even special teams played well.

Nothing to be ashamed of today.

Absolutely!

Valiant effort and a moral victory!

It was a valiant effort, though, and a good moral victory. Hang in there. You'll get 'em next time.

You laugh like Old Joe Biden, but O'Leary is 66 and has an up and down .500 record. Don't shoot me, I'm just reporting things I'm hearing.

I've heard that Mark Stoops has already been offered and he's already accepted the DC/HC in waiting job here. They're going to give Skip at least 1 more year, but they have demanded that he allow Stoops to be the DC and HCIW. Just reporting what I've heard. Or am I??

BTW IF you were a "fan" of USF back when CJL was here, then you'd know that if he were to accept the job at ucf that he would be going against everything that he stood for here. Would he then call us "The school to the West"?

From Leavitt's perspective USF now stands for lack of moral character for railroading him after all he sacrificed. Betrayal has a way of changing people's perspectives.

If true, then so be it, move on.... Jim was the architect of this program, but did not win ****.....

I respect him for what he did, but move on...

You mean move down not move on, right?

I've heard that Mark Stoops has already been offered and he's already accepted the DC/HC in waiting job here. They're going to give Skip at least 1 more year, but they have demanded that he allow Stoops to be the DC and HCIW. Just reporting what I've heard. Or am I??

BTW IF you were a "fan" of USF back when CJL was here, then you'd know that if he were to accept the job at ucf that he would be going against everything that he stood for here. Would he then call us "The school to the West"?

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Do you have any proof? Or are you just blowing smoke?

He's just making **** up because Mark Stoops has absolutely no interest in such a deal, especially under Woolard.

We can add you can't read to the list of why you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.

"USFgrad and Hem my previous post was pure unadulterated sarcasm. Hence the "or am I". I know just as much as peepee. It's just that easy to spread internet rumors by stating that you know someone who knows someone. It's the " Um, he's sick. My best friend's sister's boyfriend's brother's girlfriend heard from this guy who knows this kid who's going with the girl who saw Ferris pass out at 31 Flavors last night. I guess it's pretty serious." "

Thanks!

From Leavitt's perspective USF now stands for lack of moral character for railroading him after all he sacrificed. Betrayal has a way of changing people's perspectives.

Really? Cause that's not what he said on the radio a couple of weeks ago.

You're full of **** Pete... and the more you post the deeper you get.

Yeah...Folks always say what they really think to the media. Just ask Obama.

Seriously. Can we ban this Pete guy for a month? He is obnoxious

Truth = Obnoxious?

I've heard that Mark Stoops has already been offered and he's already accepted the DC/HC in waiting job here. They're going to give Skip at least 1 more year, but they have demanded that he allow Stoops to be the DC and HCIW. Just reporting what I've heard. Or am I??

BTW IF you were a "fan" of USF back when CJL was here, then you'd know that if he were to accept the job at ucf that he would be going against everything that he stood for here. Would he then call us "The school to the West"?

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Do you have any proof? Or are you just blowing smoke?

He's just making **** up because Mark Stoops has absolutely no interest in such a deal, especially under Woolard.

Sounds kind of dumb. You only name a HCIW when a coach is nearing retirement. Not for poor performance. No coach in the prime of their career would agree to something like that.

So...A .500 overall record is considered prime by USF fans now? DOH!

Shoop, like Trip said logic has little to do with this board. Some like to point to stats to try to say that certain players are great, but in the next sentence, bad mouth the coaches that called the plays allowing them to gain the yards. No matter what Skip or anyone else on the coaching staff says they will not be happy. Hell, I'd bet $$ to donuts that if he resigned those same people that want him fired would call him a quitter and say that he abandoned his team.

The funniest thing on this board has been people like you or the OP who use strawman after strawman in attempt to make the fans on this board seem unreasonable or ignorant

We didn't need to make some of them look that way. There was no straw man needed. They did a fine job all by themselves talking about wearing bags and the program spiraling downward after the ******* 3rd game of the season. We're halfway through what's been a train wreck of a season so far. It's not often that coaches are let go after just one train wreck, much less 1/4 or even 1/2 a train wreck so unreasonable and ignorant is a pretty accurate description. I believe the strongest message out of Shoop's post was patience ... he should have known better.

5-7 is **** close to a train wreck. 7-5 the year before was certainly not above expectations.

programs' like ours have to build for an experienced team once every 4 or 5 years. This was his year to proive he was right for the job. we don't reload but we should expect to conted for a league title when we have 16 returning starters, 24 seniors and a 4 year starting QB.

we will be starting over next year. Patience is fine and I have said he should get 1 possibly 2 more years if he can pull this program out of this nosedive this year but he has shown nothing to suggest he is a coach that can take us to the next level (I mean up obviously- he has shown he can take us down a level). If he loses this team and we finish 1-6 in big east again then I could see us cutting him loose.we have to start over again next year anyway. might as well do it with someone that can piosssibly take us to next level. plenty of coaches have success before their 5th year which is what we are realistically looking at with all the seniors leaving.

If we finish strong and he proves he can turn a team around in the face of adversity then he should get a reprieve but finish at or below last year and he should be gone.

the expectations of our program were never high and that is where our problems started

if usf cant get in a big 5 conference i dont see the point in even maintaining the program.how can you justify paying a guy 2 million and you arent even competing for the big prize

it is ironic that usf stopped playing the orlando school years ago because of ego and that school has passed us by------

If you think UCF has passed USF by just wait until they hire Leavitt.

Ya RIGHT! funny

You laugh like Old Joe Biden, but O'Leary is 66 and has an up and down .500 record. Don't shoot me, I'm just reporting things I'm hearing.

I've heard that Mark Stoops has already been offered and he's already accepted the DC/HC in waiting job here. They're going to give Skip at least 1 more year, but they have demanded that he allow Stoops to be the DC and HCIW. Just reporting what I've heard. Or am I??

BTW IF you were a "fan" of USF back when CJL was here, then you'd know that if he were to accept the job at ucf that he would be going against everything that he stood for here. Would he then call us "The school to the West"?

From Leavitt's perspective USF now stands for lack of moral character for railroading him after all he sacrificed. Betrayal has a way of changing people's perspectives.

What would coming out with new details change? Is Jim going to get his old job back?

They're not new details. They were reported in the media. I'm just tormenting the nippleheads that wanted him fired and were just as giddy as a schoolgirl when Holtz was hired. They thought is was all so simple. LOL!

Plantation Pete, or Ron Diaz or Will Florin

Dude will you just go away. You talk about a "moral compass" then you gloat like a 13 year old girl. Look we know you feel that you have to defend Leavitt. But the fact of the matter is he got himself fired. It was the cover up and not the crime. Hell even if there was no crime he still disobeyed his superiors. From the people that I know who were there contradict what you say. So unless you are going to actually put your name up and offer up some details then please,

STFU and get out.

How does a 13 year old girl gloat and how do you know this?

You must be a mushroom because you were fed ******** and kept in the dark.

There was no crime and there was no cover up. I'll take the sworn word of an FBI Agent over any friend of yours.

Look I didn't think Jim should have been fired but what is done is done. $2.75 was probably cheaper than going to trial simple cost benefit analysis. Since I was told the exact same thing from two different people who there I take their word for it especially since one has Jim's cell number.

All of the player's had his cell number. I have his cell number. So that make me more credible than you, right?

I am not the one screaming for credibility. My experience tells me that often times the guys screaming the lowered have the most to hide. Like I said either drop new details or STFU and get out.

LOL! No, you're the Simple Simon that thinks this mysterious friend is credible because he had Leavitt's number. With logic like that you must have attended UCF...or maybe no college at all.

Shoop, like Trip said logic has little to do with this board. Some like to point to stats to try to say that certain players are great, but in the next sentence, bad mouth the coaches that called the plays allowing them to gain the yards. No matter what Skip or anyone else on the coaching staff says they will not be happy. Hell, I'd bet $$ to donuts that if he resigned those same people that want him fired would call him a quitter and say that he abandoned his team.

The funniest thing on this board has been people like you or the OP who use strawman after strawman in attempt to make the fans on this board seem unreasonable or ignorant

We didn't need to make some of them look that way. There was no straw man needed. They did a fine job all by themselves talking about wearing bags and the program spiraling downward after the ******* 3rd game of the season. We're halfway through what's been a train wreck of a season so far. It's not often that coaches are let go after just one train wreck, much less 1/4 or even 1/2 a train wreck so unreasonable and ignorant is a pretty accurate description. I believe the strongest message out of Shoop's post was patience ... he should have known better.

5-7 is **** close to a train wreck. 7-5 the year before was certainly not above expectations.

programs' like ours have to build for an experienced team once every 4 or 5 years. This was his year to proive he was right for the job. we don't reload but we should expect to conted for a league title when we have 16 returning starters, 24 seniors and a 4 year starting QB.

we will be starting over next year. Patience is fine and I have said he should get 1 possibly 2 more years if he can pull this program out of this nosedive this year but he has shown nothing to suggest he is a coach that can take us to the next level (I mean up obviously- he has shown he can take us down a level). If he loses this team and we finish 1-6 in big east again then I could see us cutting him loose.we have to start over again next year anyway. might as well do it with someone that can piosssibly take us to next level. plenty of coaches have success before their 5th year which is what we are realistically looking at with all the seniors leaving.

If we finish strong and he proves he can turn a team around in the face of adversity then he should get a reprieve but finish at or below last year and he should be gone.

the expectations of our program were never high and that is where our problems started

if usf cant get in a big 5 conference i dont see the point in even maintaining the program.how can you justify paying a guy 2 million and you arent even competing for the big prize

it is ironic that usf stopped playing the orlando school years ago because of ego and that school has passed us by------

If you think UCF has passed USF by just wait until they hire Leavitt.

Ya RIGHT! funny

You laugh like Old Joe Biden, but O'Leary is 66 and has an up and down .500 record. Don't shoot me, I'm just reporting things I'm hearing.