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15 hours ago, Bull Matrix said:
That is just a reality and that is nothing to be ashamed of because many programs are stepping stones. What USF will need to do is get ahead of it by making sure they have a coach in waiting on the staff.
I agree 100%. It's early but Golesh's offense is very promising. Reminds me a lot of C. Florida's offense, which was very successful (I think I threw up a little in my mouth).
Taggart was successful but it seemed to me (not trying to open up a can of worms here) his success had more to do with exceptionally talented players just doing their thing. So it was less important to keep Taggart's system when he left. But even the relatively little continuity we had, we lost, when Strong showed up and started talking about 'slowing the offense down a bit to benefit the defense.' Major red flags went up, and we were right to be worried, as it turned out.
I think ideally, assuming Golesh turns this thing around as it appears he will, continuity in offensive philosophy will be very important. You can hire outside the building if there are no obvious internal candidates (don't know much about our titular OC), but if you do, you should hire someone who isn't going to tear everything apart. Why fix what isn't broken (setting aside ego)?
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1 hour ago, Bull94 said:
with that mindset, why would Taggart ever leave his cush job at WKU? His alma mater.
Might as well stay a position coach or coordinator. why take the risk of being a HC
Plenty of people are happy working in a cubicle their entire lives.
Some people want to run the biggest and best companies they can. They tend to be risk takers. Extremely competitive.
WKU is not one of the top tier G5 programs. I would define a top tier G5 program as one located at an academically top-tier university in a large market with lots of upside (like USF), where you can get lots of exposure if you win and millions of dollars to coach. Taking the risk of being a HC makes sense because it pays far more than being a position coach or coordinator and gives you greater control of the program. And anyways, there's no job or financial security for position coaches/coordinators.
No one said anything about not pursuing greater opportunities if you want to (taking the risk is fine, I respect that) - I just made the observation that you can definitely have a great career even if you're not coaching in a power five conference, and that it might actually be easier to rack up a lot of wins that way if you're a great coach. You can still become a legend and make millions of dollars (maybe not as many millions, but at some point money is no longer the primary motivation).
I acknowledged your point about some people being uber-competitive in my original post. I agree. However, to suggest that a coach deciding to strategically remain at a top tier G5 school (at least for more than the standard 2 or 3-year stint) means you're not competitive or a risk taker is a mistake IMO. Not all opportunities in a "power" conference are as good or better than coaching at a top tier G5 school. I completely understand why a very successful G5 coach might want to leave to coach at UF, Georgia, or Ohio State. Harder to understand why he'd want to leave for a "power" school that is almost never in the CFP conversation and is highly unlikely to ever be.
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Looking forward to talking some trash to UAB fans this week on social media, like we did with Rice.
I thought this past week was kind of muted. Can't really talk trash with Navy. Or at least, I think many people feel bad doing it.
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On 9/30/2023 at 11:45 PM, Gismo said:
But I do have to wonder if guys like Taggart or Frost or Herman ever regret their moves. They both flopped at their next stop. They both built more competitive teams at the USF and UCF and Houston than they did at FSU or Nebraska or Texas.
It's a good point. I would think that the best college football coaching job in America would be to coach one of the top G5 programs. So long as you have access to the CFP, you've got a much easier path to getting there than say, at Purdue in the B1G. Rack up wins, and you could become a god at your school and still make many, many millions of dollars doing something you love.
I understand the counterargument of course, - that these coaches are usually hyper-competitive types who do it not just for the money, but also the ego boost of competing at the highest levels of college football. But based on recent experiences (Taggart, Frost, Herman, etc.) it seems way more likely that you'll end up losing too many games and getting fired pretty quickly at a place like FSU, Nebraska, or Texas, because the expectations are so ridiculously high and largely unachievable.
Just my opinion, but it seems the ideal situation is one where you coach, say, USF to multiple AAC championships, which eventually gets USF into a top-tier conference, and you try to make your mark from there - a platform where you are already beloved and less likely to get curb stomped in a year or two if you don't win 10 games each year. In the meantime, you're set for life financially.
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I'd love to see USF play my other school, UF, in the Gasparilla Bowl and win. Both because I prefer USF over UF (by a lot), but also because it would very likely involve Napier getting fired, which I think may benefit UF in the long-run.
EDIT: We have a history of getting coaches fired for other teams. It's a service we do.
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1 minute ago, Bull94 said:
ND played 4 away games against acc opponents this year. all tv money from those games go to the conference.
Fair enough. That still does not make them a member of the conference for football. But anyways, again, if you want to include ND for purposes of the original prompt (i.e. what is the most significant football program after FSU and Clemson between the ACC and Big 12), then we agree - ND, then Miami.
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6 minutes ago, Jim Johnson said:
How do you define "a member"? I suppose if the being a member means they play a full conference slate and are eligible for the ACC CG you're right. They only play a half conference slate and are eligible for ACC bowl games... that kinda sounds like a "half member". Plus they do have a vote on football-related conference decisions.
How much TV money does ND bring into the conference from football broadcasts? $0.00. If you aren't bringing any money into the conference from football, then you aren't really a member for football, regardless of how/whether the conference lets you otherwise participate in conference decisions/bowl games.
The fact they can vote on football matters while not being a member for football is a big source of heartburn in Tallahassee, as you might imagine...
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4 minutes ago, Bull94 said:
they are required to play 4 acc games every year. they played 6 this year
I stand corrected. 5
It's all good! I see what your point was. If we're including ND, then yes, they're ahead of Miami for sure. Then Miami.
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1 minute ago, Jim Johnson said:
ND has an agreement to play FIVE games per season against ACC teams... so that's about half of a conference season. In exchange they also get access to the ACC bowl tie ins.
I understand that. But that doesn't mean they're a "half member" in football. ND has an agreement to play a certain number of games with ACC football teams per year - that agreement was made necessary so that ND could park its other sports in the ACC. Notwithstanding its agreement with the ACC, ND is not a member of the ACC for football.
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1 minute ago, Bull94 said:
yes they are. may only be half but still a member
How is ND a half member in football?
Yes, ND is a full ACC member in other sports, but the original question asked about football, not other sports. ND is not an ACC member for football - they're fully independent in that sport.
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8 minutes ago, Bull94 said:
I would say Notre Dame, Miami, Georgia Tech
Not an ACC school in football. Otherwise, I would have put ND before UM.
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14 minutes ago, USFBULL_08 said:
After FSU and Clemson is Ok State the top football school between ACC and Big12?
It's debatable but I think it might be Miami in terms of branding, location, and history.
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38 minutes ago, TallyBull said:
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9 minutes ago, belgianbull said:
I would be surprised if WSU and OSU were invited to the Big 12. Cal and Stanford were much better programs ,and the Big 12 passed on them.
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22 minutes ago, belgianbull said:
Army would be a good addition.
If the AAC doesn't look Westward to add teams ( I still think they should) Appalachian State and Marshall would make sense as well.
Toledo and Liberty would be other teams that i would take a close look at.
Adding these teams would keep us competitive with the Mountain West, especially if they add WSU and OSU.
With respect to looking westward, would love to add CSU, and Air Force, to have all the military academies in one conference. Colorado's west, but not too far west and a good market.
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59 minutes ago, Triple B said:
Why would any G5 conference agree to a 12 at-large?
They wouldn't. But also, and perhaps more importantly, why would the Big 12 or the ACC agree to a 12 at-large? I don't see how the SEC and B1G could impose 12 at-large on the rest of college football, absent some major financial concessions (which aren't forthcoming). Yeah, they're powerful, but they ain't THAT powerful.
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2 hours ago, WoolyBully said:
So, if we were sitting at a felt covered table in the desert, would you slide all of your chips onto either (a) by the time U of SF is playoff material we are in a P(X) conference or (b) by the time U of SF is playoff material we are reliant on the throw-the-dog-a-bone eligibility clause?
I just want U of SF to have as many opportunities as possible before joining (if it ever does join) a power conference, regardless of whether it can actually take advantage of said opportunities. Not sure why that would be controversial. I don’t think it is, actually.
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54 minutes ago, CousinRicky said:
I love the way you guys and gals worry about making the playoffs. Makes me chuckle. For a team that has never won a conference you are so, so optimistic.
I think the hope is to make it one day. So today’s discussion is about preserving access for when that day comes. Can’t just focus on this season, but the long term.
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8 minutes ago, Peatearpan said:
The 12 at large teams would be 8-9 of the P2, with a few from the rest
Right, de facto relegating the B12 and the ACC into a kind of "super" G5 status.
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13 minutes ago, Bear said:
Wait, so, if the CFP stays at 6 highest champs + 6 at large...
Is it possible for two G5 Conference Champs to make it in... (especially if the Big 12 champ, for example happens to unranked)?Or is it directly the P5 champs + highest rank G5 champ?
What I've heard is that the expectation is that the PAC-2 will cease to exist (Wazzu and OSU will likely join the MWC), so two highest-ranked G5 conference champs will make it in for the next two years. After that, it's anybody's guess, but we're probably looking at a 5+7 setup (although the SEC and B1G have proposed 12 best with no auto bids, a proposal that seems to have little support among the other conferences).
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I'm thinking yes. There's potential for a significant turnaround this year (which I define as anything better 6-6). One could legitimately ask whether the turnaround would be as significant if we weren't the beneficiaries of a weaker schedule, but I belong to the "you play who's in front of you" camp of CFB, and we played well against a far more talented team in 'Bama.
WKU was a winnable game even though it was our coach's first game (new to us and to head coaching) and new offensive and defensive schemes.
I think this is evidence that there are indeed coaches out there that don't need a 3-year window to build a program before seeing success. Pick the right guy, and you can most certainly win right away, unless perhaps you have zero talent.