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On 7/31/2006 at 1:39 PM, jdbash said:

Never said I was better than anyone. Actually, I said USF had the better football team and that in the future we will have the better program.

Ok...let's compare how many conf titles your team has since you wrote this post in 2006.

I am waiting.............

Still waiting.............

You still there????

I could start to list UCF's Conf Titles since then (let alone UCF's FOUR Conference Titles when the Knights and the cows have been conference members) but that might take too long to list them all.

Please tell us another story about usf's "future" success.

On 11/8/2018 at 8:15 PM, TexanMark said:

I'm looking for two tickets for the UCF/USF game.  I'll be rooting for the Bulls (I have never liked UCF and it goes back to the late 90's).  Any suggestions where to find some decently priced tickets?

I'm soooo glad UCF is always on your mind. Hope traffic was too bad when you left early in the 4th Q.

On 11/4/2018 at 11:56 AM, YouCantFinish said:

What's probably got them laughing is our nearly empty stadium yesterday.  We were a 7-1 team going into that game.  And there are some high schools in the Hillsborough area that had bigger crowds.   We were 7-1 yesterday, and that is the best we can do!

Its to a point where most UCF Fans probably aren't even laughing about the state of the s. florida program...its almost sad...as they have the silver spoon BCS Invite back in Nov 2003 and wasted it away. (Ok...I agree most UCF Fans chuckle at the thought).

Maybe that's why UCF is so hungry to always try and win their division/conf...because nothing was ever given to UCF...as UCF was the first school to win 1 (obviously they have 2), BCS/NYD6 Bowl wins that played in Div III, Div II, Div I-AA and Div I-A Football.

On 12/1/2018 at 6:38 PM, MikeG said:

what a team with a coach that believes in his team does in this situation.

Yeah...that was an ok 4th and 1 play when down by 6 pts that went 50 yds to the Memphis 2 yd line (UCF scored the winning TD/PAT a play later).

This was an even better 4th and 1 from UCF's own 29 yd line vs the same team from earlier in the season:

https://youtu.be/c3eFpje-FfM?t=120

On 11/30/2018 at 8:40 PM, Guest said:

USF will not play a bowl game in Tampa.

 

Oh so close with that prediction.

On 11/30/2018 at 10:19 AM, BiggTipp said:

The horns down......I hate that school so much. This should be up on the walls in the locker room.

A silly hand gesture upsets you?

Heck, ya'll used a shovel to dig up turf at UCF's stadium, that was even filmed by your athletic dept crew:

On 11/24/2018 at 11:13 AM, BulledOver said:

So, CCS says "we are not a good football team". Ok that's pointing out the obvious. Terrible injury to Milton and you can only hope the guy can get through it and come out ok. But, their starting qb is out and a freshman comes in..isn't that when you step up your game and change your D game plan? Problem as I saw it..we aren't as good as their 1st or 2nd team. Almost felt like the injury to their guy caused our players to play w/o emotion. You watch Heupel and he is active/involved on the sideline you look at CCS and he looks like he's leaving for a funeral. At least he didn't have his hands in his pockets. That's all the CCS slamming I will do. Something serious needs to change. The players reflect the mood of the coaches. If we go to the Whatever bowl and roll over again..then I will be a fan of a coaching change. 

While having some or even a lot of emotion on the sideline is a requirement to be a great HC, Heupel is still learning his role and yesterday, he became a "Maestro" in getting the UCF Fans into a frenzy:

https://twitter.com/UCF_Football/status/1069230706801418241

11 hours ago, El_Toro_86 said:

Pretty gruesome injury,  I guess he’s at TGH getting operated on.   

I hope has a full and speedy recovery.

Thanks for posting this and all who responded.

While he is a great and maybe once in a lifetime player for UCF, he is an even better person. 

https://www.clickorlando.com/news/happiest-girl-in-the-world-mom-tweets-after-ucf-quarterback-signed-gave-daughter-his-hat

12 hours ago, bowman1 said:

 

I did see a Pabst UCF shirt - I had to compliment the guy wearing it

I want that shirt!!

4 hours ago, LewSFBulls said:

.. losing to our hated rivals, by 4 touchdowns, at home, without their best player for the majority of the game. Something else has been bothering me, and here it is:

Oveido college has completely outdone USF in their ability to replace a coach when there's already a great team in place. They bring in a young offensive mind as first time coach. AND HE CHANGES NOTHING. 

 

 

Actually, Heupel changed quite a bit from what the ikd staff did.

1) He brought in Randy Shannon to change the defense from a 3-4 to a 4-3 who had lost their star players (Hughes and Griffin) and some DL Seniors.

2) Heupel really change the speed of offense with a.lot less substitutions, while changing a short passing game into a longer North/South passing attack.

3) He rotated out a very promising RB Otis Anderson and replaced with with former walk on RB McCrae, who lead the team in rushing while averaging almost 9 yds a carry without starting more than 1 game 

Good news is that those changes worked too.

16 hours ago, Turd Ferguson said:

Game, set, and match

I know...that's what happens when one post's facts of lots of teams in/near NFL Stadiums that have built new on-campus stadiums or have recently spent hundreds of millions of $$$ in stadium renovations vs moving "near-by" to the shiny but sterile NFL stadium in town.

I do hope though that usf leadership continues to think that staying in RJS for decades to come is the right move to advance their program as it will probably help grow the divide between UCF and that program even more so (and the campus too).

2 hours ago, GaUSFBull said:

They don't have an NFL team, just cartoon parks, so they will not be able to grasp what you are saying. 

Washington is located just 6 miles from the Seahawks NFL Stadium yet they choose to spend almost $300 Million to UPGRADE their college stadium.

Same thing USC is doing as they are spending $300 Million to upgrade the LA Coliseum that they own now instead of playing in the new $1.5 Billion NFL Stadium that will be located just 7 miles away.

Houston built a new 40,000 seat on-campus stadium instead of moving to the beautiful NFL Stadium just 3 miles away.

Ga Tech continues to upgrade their historic stadium vs move to the $1 Billion plus Mercedes Benz Stadium just a few miles away. (Heck, Ga State moved out of the "old NFL Dome" and instead of moving to the new NFL dome, decided to renovate old Turner Field instead).

Cincinnati spent almost $100 Million upgrading their on-campus stadium instead of moving to the very modern NFL Stadium for the Bengals just a stones throw away.

Stanford and Cal both spent Hundreds of Millions of $$$ to upgrade their on-campus Stadiums instead of joining the 49ers in their new one.

Heck, its funny because usf fans mention this stadium more than most but Univ of Minnesota moved OUT of a NFL Stadium and turned down an offer to join their new one...and instead they built a beautiful $280 Million on-campus stadium instead.

Weird...all of those college teams spent billions on their one stadiums, even though they have a NFL Stadium nearby....so maybe those schools KNOW something about the long-term impact that on-campus football means to their student body, alumni and maybe more important, FUTURE student body and future alumni.

4 minutes ago, puc86 said:

Just a little point of fact. Renting a stadium is preferable over owning a stadium whenever you can make that happen. 

Ok Jerry.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vn_PSJsl0LQ

19 minutes ago, puc86 said:

The ending of that story was you could win both and not get a NY6 game or victory in which case I wouldn’t care one bit about AAC championships just like the vast majority of the world.

I know...believe much of your reasoning is based on what you stated earlier that you are not an alum of the school you cheer for...as you don't seem to care about building blocks and/or trophies that players, coaches and fans at other schools seem to enjoy.

2 hours ago, Turd Ferguson said:

I’ll just come right out and say it:

This thread contains some of the most desperate and embarrassing straw-grasping I have ever witnessed as a fan of sports.  This thread makes me ashamed to be a Bulls fan right now.  I can only hope these are the thoughts of a ridiculously vocal few Bulls fans and not the thoughts of many.

Downright pathetic

Thank you for being a voice of reason.

Here's hoping to a fun game on Friday enjoyed by fans of both teams as its another chance to show the country on National TV what these 2 programs are all about while hoping both teams come out of this game as healthy as possible.

13 hours ago, puc86 said:

In the G5 you can easily win your division and then win your conference ....

Ok...your team joined the AAC in 2013...since its so easy...how many divisional or conf championships have you won as a member of the AAC?

Only thing that is a given is if you DON'T win the AAC, the bowl offerings are not the greatest...something your team has only known (if bowl eligible) as a member of the AAC....hence the importance of winning the conf...which has help propel UCF (twice) and Houston (once) into BCS/NYD6 Bowls and both teams won all of those opportunities.

13 hours ago, JTrue said:

Where do wrongful death lawsuits fit in?

 

If you are really interested, you can ask for the Dorsey Family for more info...but those tragic events are the worst outcome one can imagine so no clue how one compare one over another.

3 hours ago, puc86 said:

I said their NY6 games and victories were exciting and something to be proud of, winning the AAC just isn’t something I think is a big thing to brag about because most people don’t even know the AAC is a real conference (it sounds made up). As for who will get in there is no evidence to support that winning conferences or winning in general has anything to do with conference realignment, see every team that got shuffled last go around and Boise that was better poised than UCF is currently. Pitt still plays in an NFL stadium and that didn’t seem to hold them back.

You do realize that to make a NYD6 Bowl as a G5, you MUST win your Conf Championship (plus be highest ranked).

You summed up perfectly the state of your football program as SEASON ENDING GOALS can't be achieved without:

1) winning your own division

2) winning your conference

I'm glad my program has their priorities in order.

7 minutes ago, Dave_Glaser said:

You missed the entire point. I said sports are cyclical. Up and down. You've had great ups and awful downs. You will again. We have been the same, except our ups haven't been as high - and neither have our lows been as low. Until now, our programs have not played equal competition, either. The C-USA we played in was much tougher than the MAC you were in. The Big East we played in was much tougher than your C-USA. Those points are not debatable. You're having a great run. Congratulations! It will end. It's part of the cycle and those cycles are typically based around a great QB. You have one now. Let's see what happens when Milton is gone. I'm not saying you're headed back to 0-12, but it will be different. And also back to my original post - USF needs an on-campus stadium. No argument there.

Well, you were invited to join a BCS Conf in Nov 2003...and that meant WAY more money and WAY more exposure (especially for recruiting) for the next decade.

Even with that HUGE head start (i.e. your team was moving/staying in the old Big East which became the AAC and UCF was moving up from the "lowly" CUSA according to you), all UCF has done is win MORE Divisional and Conf Titles over EVERYONE else since 2013...while your team is still waiting for their first ever divisional title in the history of their program.

Do you want to change your history and switch places with UCF back in Nov 2003? (UCF was playing Football in the MAC and then the bulls got invited to join a BCS Conf and then UCF got invited to join CUSA). I didn't think so.

Again, if you say EVERY team has its ups and downs....when will usf ever get their first UP, i.e. divisional or conf title?

3 minutes ago, CousinRicky said:

It doesn't change the fact that multiple times more students stay outside and tailgate than go in the stadium.  Also, we have an OCDome that doesn't draw flies as far as students go.  I don't know how many students are on or near campus but probably greater than 20k.  200 of them find their way to the Yuengling Center.  There is some inherent problem at USF with students being engaged. Been that way as far back as when our daughter attended starting in '02.  Would guess it goes back farther than that. And as others have pointed out when we were in a good conference and playing well we did fill the student section at Ray Jay of 12,500.  Winning and opponents matter more than location, as I said, IMO.  

Everyone would admit that Florida is a COLLEGE Football State first....WAY over College Basketball right?

While UF has had some hoop success, basically no other state team has...hence why most state teams focus on FOOTBALL as their priority sport and I don't think that will ever change with their fan base. 
I enjoy college hoops...but for most in FL, they don't care.

54 minutes ago, ArmyBull said:

Yes, I know they FCS links you have posted, which are silly, no offense.  It goes way beyond attendance, but you know the arguments, we have been at this a long time.  Even in C’s darkest days I bet their attendance was on par with ours, which is sad.  Go watch college game day this past weekend and ask yourself, would an OCS be more beneficial for our team.  Honestly, if the answer is no, then there is absolutely  no convincing you.  The proof is all around but if you are looking for some quantitative analysis, perhaps ask C, maybe they have something.  

And just think...the actual GAME was even a better showcase for UCF but GameDay at UCF was EPIC at sooooo many levels. 

ESPN GameDay Open

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RFNDP6uK1c&list=PLmkjXprBSRGPJf3dJpl9rABeo1PSMIy8Q&index=6

6 minutes ago, Dave_Glaser said:

You also had TWO WINLESS SEASONS

We know...but that isn't the norm...seeing how UCF's Conf Championship Trophy Case is over flowing, let alone the 2 HUGE BCS/NYD6 Trophies UCF has as well.

So if a winless program can turn their program around (rather quickly in both cases), why can't others do it (that haven't won anything even though they have had solid seasons) since its so easy to do?

When Dr Hitt hired O'Leary in Dec 2003, he told him to "build a program, not just a team", and to do that with facilities, RIGHT kids, don't take short-cuts (high risk recruits with poor grades and or large number of JUCO/transfers), etc...as Dr Hitt wanted something in place that would LAST.

Frost and now Heupel wouldn't have had the success they enjoyed if not for the "build the program" philosophy that started way back in Dec 2003.

13 minutes ago, CousinRicky said:

How many games have you attended at SMU's stadium?  Thousands of kids tailgating outside, hundreds actually go inside.  You need to win and have quality opponents.  Doesn't matter where the stadium is. Just MHO.

1) Did you just compare at HUGE Public Institution like S. Florida with over 50,000 students to a small private school with only 6,500 undergrad students in SMU? Ok, all would say, "that was dumb".

2) I hope you get your wish in your believe that it "doesn't matter" where a college football stadium is located or even if you don't even have one like your school.

24 minutes ago, ArmyBull said:

Yes, I know they FCS links you have posted, which are silly, no offense.  It goes way beyond attendance, but you know the arguments, we have been at this a long time.  Even in C’s darkest days I bet their attendance was on par with ours, which is sad.  Go watch college game day this past weekend and ask yourself, would an OCS be more beneficial for our team.  Honestly, if the answer is no, then there is absolutely  no convincing you.  The proof is all around but if you are looking for some quantitative analysis, perhaps ask C, maybe they have something.  

There's a reason why UCF's President Whittaker was smiling from ear to ear on Sunday morning...as his CAMPUS was the star of a combined 6 1/2 hour national tv show starting on Saturday morning and finished around 11:30 pm Saturday night. These shows were about MORE than just football, this was about ALL of UCF. All the shots of campus during Game Day and during the ABC Prime Time Game are all invaluable, plus and probably more importantly, the EXCITED UCF Students and Fans brought to both national tv shows is practically immerserable. Heck, even UCF Hater Kirk Herbstreit changed his tune after spending the entire day on UCF's campus for the very first time:

https://twitter.com/KirkHerbstreit/status/1064037544013283329

Here is a sample on just how LOUD it was at Spectrum Stadium when Cinci started the game with 2 penalties because of the crowd noise. (UCF DT Joey Conners said after the game it was hilarious hearing the center and guard yelling at each other: "I can't hear the signals!" and that happened ALL game long).

https://twitter.com/Zack_Shields/status/1064549778917416961

2 hours ago, Bausfkid said:

3M people in Tampa and we can't get 30K consistently.  

Additionally, we are now one generation (20 years) into football.  We should see acceleration with growth over the next decade.  

Go Bulls!

As Sports Illustrated noted some 20 plus years ago...the key to college football attendance is to get STUDENTS to attend games as those that do ATTEND games are much more likely to buy season tix once they become alumni vs those that were not engaged in football while they went to schoo.

The challenge now is that on many campuses, attending sporting events is not a priority for a growing number of students...as it seems many prefer to sit in their dorm/apartment and just stare at their phones/tablets/computers.

Obviously, having an on-campus stadium helps with student attendance and one hopefully sees that payoff for decades to come when some (not all or even a majority) of them become season tix holders and boostes.