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On 8/18/2023 at 3:05 PM, BullyPulpit said:

We aren't anywhere near an ACC invite, so it is easy to say that. If we could get in you 100% take it. Unfortunately, for us, that isn't even a concern. And of course we are focused on being the best athletics program we can be. It isn't like improving your conference and on field performance are mutually exclusive. 

I’m not saying they’re mutually exclusive.  I’m saying there isn’t an option out there to improve the conference that involves us going anywhere.

On 8/18/2023 at 8:38 PM, Who'sYourData? said:

 

This would be a better conference then what would be left of the AAC, period.  A road exists to the playoffs.  Also likely would double TV revenue.  You have to take it.  Would not be wise to stay behind in a conference that would move down in the pecking order, because other schools would jump.

There is no iteration of a future PAC that would double the revenue of the current aac.  The aac deal will be averaging about 10m/season by the time the MWC deal ends in a couple years.  That has stability and ny6/bball credits with solid linear coverage in an established league that is already ‘best of the rest’.  

People keep assuming things that don’t exist will magically be there because -what? The PAC name? Who here honestly thinks any media partner is opening their checkbook to create essentially a new conference with cal and Stanford as the headliners?

The aac is the best spot for us today and tomorrow on all fronts.  If the acc decides to expand with significant shares then get back to me.  Leaving the aac to join western castoffs is accelerating death.

4 hours ago, flsportsfan83 said:

Are the MW teams going to pay a buyout to come here. Honestly without CAL and Stanford. Best bet for Washing State and Oregon State is to join the MWC, which then becomes better than the AAC. 

There doesn’t have to be a buyout, they can join when their deal ends.  No hurry. 

6 hours ago, BullyPulpit said:

You guys are not thinking about this from a business perspective. It is about perception and protecting the brand. Moderate to minimal short-term loss for long-term gain. Yes, there will be more consolidation, but getting into a P4 conference positions them the best for the next round of "Let's Ruin College Football". 

 

Do this thought experiment. If USF had the booster support right now to forego 5 years of conference media revenue and join the ACC, would you want them to do it? There is no other answer than Absolutely. What Stanford and SMU are trying to do doesn't make sense to you guys because it doesn't benefit USF. 

The ACC is dead one way or the other.  SMU/Stanford aren’t changing that.  Only way it makes sense is if we move nowish with full shares.  Otherwise f’em and focus on being the best athletics program we can be.  

On 8/15/2023 at 8:08 AM, Who'sYourData? said:

Absolutely looking like that, and for good reason.  Check out how many $$$ the PAC will get from NCAAB tourney over the next few years.  Also the name is still worth something.  Stanford is in the best negotiating position of any of the schools.  It could still go any which way, but disbanding the AAC makes a lot of sense.

That ‘conference’ doesn’t have a tv deal.  Even if it did it would be on Apple for pennies which I’m not interested in at all.  I like where we are which has tourney credits and NY6 and future playoff spot.  They can come to us and we’d probably make more.  Stanford has zero leverage other than going independent.. if they wanted to do that they’d do that out the gate.  Letting them drive the bus is stupid, they are inept despite their name/brand/aau status whatever.

2 hours ago, Cubanbull said:

Starting to look like the PAC4 are going to poach at least 4 from AAC. Kelly and our President better be on the phone with Stanford. Looks like the Tree is making the decisions.

Not really looking like that at all.  Wouldn’t want to leave guaranteed money for that mess anyway.

4 hours ago, TallyBull said:

I appreciate your thoughts, but I disagree. I think the ACC will carry on and rival the Big 12. I also think you can split up the ACC into roughly three groups, and members in two of those three groups are either unlikely, or may or may not be able, to find a new home in another "P5" conference.

Likely staying in a future ACC because the B1G, SEC, and Big 12 don't want them:

• Pittsburgh
• Syracuse
• Boston College
• Wake Forest
• Georgia Tech (tough one, could be on the bubble)

On the bubble:

• Virginia
• Virginia Tech
• NC State
• Louisville
• Duke

Likely departures:

• FSU
• Miami
• North Carolina
• Clemson
• Notre Dame

Pitt vs WVU is legitimately one of the best rivalries in the game and makes sense with Cincy and Louisville as a pod.  They are going to the Big 12.  GT is going to the BIG, they have historical ties to that conference going back like a hundred years.  That leaves three schools.  Even if it were the 5 you mention that’s not coming close to competing with the XII in anything.  

1 hour ago, TallyBull said:

Feeling a bit more optimistic for USF after the ACC's Stanford/Cal/SMU expansion option fell apart last night. Seems like USF is destined to share a conference with at least two, possibly four, of the PAC-4 schools. Also seems like USF could very well end up in a revamped ACC, possibly even by the time we're in the new OCS. 

What USF absolutely must not do is lock itself into a GOR with some new mishmash conference. We need to keep our options open in case the remains of the ACC come calling. Even without FSU/Clemson and a few others, I anticipate the ACC will do a better job of sticking together and preserving a conference that's about as good, if not better than, the Big 12.

I appreciate the fandom, but you’re being unrealistic.  The moment the ACC opens up all but three schools are gone to other conferences.  Our best chance is to make the AAC as strong as possible; ie add the PAC 4, poach a couple of the best MWC in a year or two and be ready to pickup maybe Wake Forest when the ACC crumbles.  Do that and we are far and away the 4th best conference.  There will be no acc in the future.  The pac is dead.  Take the remainders and make best possible coast to coast conference and do ESPN’s bidding.  That’s it.  The best option.

15 hours ago, Outlaw said:

I dont really think uva adds anything to the SEC. They have been terrible at football for awhile and the SEC doesn't really need the virginia market.

UVA is classic BIG market, not SEC.

I’d put $200m into an athletics endowment and use the interest to pay NIL.  That would give our top 85 athletes over $188k/year and that would attract enough top talent to kill it in whatever conference we’re in.  

16 minutes ago, Bull94 said:

there is now a guaranteed spot for G5

If we’re talking about the future playoffs then the SEC is going to get at least 3-4 teams in every season, a good season by a bottom feeder gets them in, don’t even have to go to conference championship game.  Think Kentucky lately, chronically underachieving but put together a couple decent years lately.   If the MWC gets the pac 4 and can poach smu we’re going to need luck beyond an undefeated season to get into even the expanded playoffs.  
 

Our chances do go up in the new playoffs though, no doubt.  We need Aresco to pull a rabbit out of the hat and secure a western wing to the conference, cement top 5 status/top 4 when the ACC dissolves.

1 hour ago, Bull94 said:

What happened when texas and OU left big 12?

ACC is not going anywhere. SEC and Big 10 are not going to bring in duke uva and g tech.

ACC has a very valuable basketball inventory and are just as valuable (probably more) than the big 12 in football.

It’s not the same situation as OU/T.  Basically the whole conference will leave, not just two.

Duke, Virginia, and GT will absolutely go to one of the SEC, BIG, or XII.

The best basketball inventory is going to the aforementioned three conferences above and it is categorically false that current football value is on par with the XII.  The worst team in that conference is WVU and that’s one of our favorite rivalries from era gone past.  The ACC is two deep in football assuming fsu is back.  

4 minutes ago, Bull94 said:

sorry but if we win the conference we are most likely in if the setup stays the same.

Vandy has been in the SEC since 1932. They have never won their division let alone the conference.

Tulane has more SEC titles than Miss State, Arkansas, Missouri, South Carolina, Texas AM and Vandy COMBINED

Sure but if they win the conference they’re in playoff , which is the point.  Based on precedent they don’t even have to win their conference.  Based on precedent, even if we go undefeated we probably don’t get in.  Hell there was a team that went undefeated for two years with good p5 victories mixed in that didn’t get in. It took another school two years of being undefeated to get in.  

I don’t understand the obsession with the ACC.  They aren't adding anyone until they get decimated and by that time the conference will be dead and not worth crap.  We are literally seeing it now with the PAC, this is exactly what’s going to happen in 10 years to the acc.  Most everyone is resigned to their fate in that conference except for FSU, and that’s mainly because they’re afraid they’re getting passed by ucf in that 10 years and there’s nothing they can do about it so they’re stomping around crying.   

29 minutes ago, Bull94 said:

now list the 51 power conference teams that are 0-36

still think it will be easier for a top G5 team to make it than a bottom P5.

If Vandy put together a good season and won the conference, they’d be in.  Even if they lost in the conf championship game there’s a decent chance they get in.  If we have a good season and win the conference even if we go undefeated we likely don’t get in.  

6 hours ago, Bull Gooner said:

If the ACC dropped FSU and CLEM and added USF and UCONN, I would be totally happy with that. Feels like a good fit for a (hopefully) rising USF team. 

As we all would…but unfortunately the moment the GOR gets opened up for FSU/Clemson about 7 other schools will bolt as well, leaving only Syracuse, Wake, and BC to pick up the pieces.  At that point those schools will probably go to big east and drop football or join aac.  There’s no such thing as the ACC losing just FSU and Clemson-the conference is snake bitten and will die.  

AAC needs to be proactive and look west, maybe grab CSU and AF then let the dominos fall on the rest of the mw conference and reassess.  I don’t think tv partners are interested in spending any new money out west.  Having contract in hand is gold for the aac.

The ads are out of control on my phone.

2 minutes ago, I like GOOOOLD (and green) said:

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On 7/1/2023 at 2:05 PM, Bull Matrix said:

Big 12 is another sinking ship…. 

17 hours ago, hm101 said:

I think ECU, Memphis, SMU will continue to be good games and not full on rivalries but as close as got right now. 

Temple I just hate not even in a good way. 

Tulane is hard to root against and newer to us but New Orleans is very similar to Tampa and thay could develop into something more 

The top of this conference will be fun. The bottom makes me want to vomit. But I'm embracing it. 

UTSA was a very good add as well.  FAU is a ??

44 minutes ago, Triple B said:

Our biggest Rival we have to overcome right now is USF ....

Agree but let’s bury FAU out the gate, not even let it blossom.  

19 hours ago, Bull Matrix said:

Yeah I guess it means PAC 12 is not interested. Looks like SMU and probably some big 12 schools will be targeted by PAC12

They can target whoever they want but no Big 12 school is going to the PAC, that would be suicidal.

8 hours ago, Bull Matrix said:

Lol that I do. Just trying to keep the board active during one of the fastest offseason’s in USF history. I do believe July 1st is the deadline given to PAC12 schools to request a move to big 12. Something tells me they won’t be leaving the PAC12 for the craziness of what they call big 12. I don’t think the Eastern islands of WVU & UCiF excite them very much…

July 1 is deadline for mwc to jump to another conference without paying double in exit fees.  There’s no deadline for pac teams because as of now there’s no deal/buyout/contract/conference as of June 2024.  That all changes in their new deal of course but until it’s done it doesn’t exist.  

Also not sure if your acc comments are trolling or whatever but by the time the acc does add schools it’ll just be the American/big east 2.0.  They are going to get picked apart by the sec and big 10.  The leftovers collectively are worth less than the new pac right now which is probably not going to be able to hold off the big 12 either so that means the middling schools in the acc will probably jump ship too.  There’s legit going to be 3 maybe 4 schools left in the acc by the time they come calling for us.

The conference is actually looking pretty good to me.  Tulane being good and winning NY6 bowl and keeping staff guarantees preseason top25 for them pretty much.  That’s huge because we NEED the AAC to hold down that NY6 spot and having top 25 preseason team makes that easier.  It’s a bigger league now but could be 6 deep if we or one of the new adds like FAU take off.  

On 6/4/2023 at 7:43 AM, smazza said:

be honest

AAU is a nice consolation.  That’s as honest as I can be.