USFBulls12

7 hours ago, E.T. said:

In Golesh We Trust

Yes. We. Do.

In Amir We Trust as well.

1 hour ago, Cmr3 said:

We will miss Chris Youngblood leadership for sure.Also, Miguel and Chris were not only good they hit shots during the game and at the end of games that were important, to tie the game, go ahead, or win it. Previous years we had decent talent that that scored a lot but when the game was on the line bricks or free throw misses all game. We lost so many games under Gregory by 3 or 4 points.We had the talent but we didn’t have players that would keep us in the game when we weren’t playing good or to close the game out. Miguel, Youngblood kept us in so many games this year.Reid showed flashes but we will see what happens.

Free Throws. The amount of games we've lost in past seasons that were within the margin of missed FTs is staggering. We hit FTs this last season and won many close games as a result. We hardly ever blew a team out but we were great at the line, particularly our big guy, Pryor, as well as the guards. FTs should never even be a question of hitting them. They're free for a reason. Hit them and win.

1 hour ago, BigSteve said:

Penn State Football uses Lackawanna College (JUCO) as like a farm system and gets many great players from there (several of them were picked in the NFL Draft and one played in the Super Bowl this past year).  I am from PA so I keep up with the football program.

There are many reasons why athletes go to junior college.  It may not be the greatest competition BUT there are very talented players that can help us.  I am surprised Jimmie Williams didn't get recruited harder by P5 schools.  He's 6'5" (okay, maybe 6'3" so coaches lie all the time but it's not like he's 5'9") and can rebound.  Those P5 schools better stay away next season when they see what Coach Amir saw.

 

I'm also from PA. Lackawanna College is minutes away. I work for Dunder Mifflin Paper Co.

2 minutes ago, Triple B said:

Found it. Glad I'm not going crazy ....... nothing official yet from USFMBB but have to assume CAAR knows what he's doing so will add to the roster.

I wonder if, when CAAR makes these videos with his new recruits he tells them, “okay, the USF fan base has been going through the stages of grief for a long time. These days they’re panicking because they got a taste last season and then my core players left. I want you to just repeat “Relaaaax” after I say it. They’re crazy, but they pay my salary.” 

3 hours ago, Triple B said:

Ok, so what am I doing wrong. I go directly to CAAR's account and that tweet doesn't show up, although it definitely is one by him ...

https://twitter.com/sunsetAMIR

 

1 hour ago, Dave_Glaser said:

It’s not there anymore. Maybe jumped the gun with compliance?

No guys it’s still there. It’s under his “Replies” not his “Posts” because of the way he wrote it. Because he wrote “@Jimmie0Williams Welcome…” instead of “.@Jimmie0Williams Welcome…” it posts as a reply as if he was replying to Jimmie. If he included a period (.) before the tag, it would be a “Post”. Check under his “Replies” section and you’ll see it. All is good!

4 hours ago, Boomer said:

 

Actually, using Trip’s analogy, NIL is cola. Collectives are Coke and endorsement deals are Pepsi. 

Both are NIL - the ability to make money off your N, I, and L.

Deon was saying not to hate on NIL as a whole - only the collectives. That piece of NIL is to blame. 

No. There are Collectives and there is NIL (aka endorsement deals).

Players getting Collective payments are not receiving them for use of their Name, Image & Likeness by anyone. Collectives are simply collecting money donated by fans to basically bribe a player to play here or there. A player may wish to play in one place over another and the bribe may help to sweeten the pot. No use of N, I or L is necessary here. Many college athletes receive smaller sized payments (relative to NIL deals) to play for a specific university. <- This is not NIL.

NIL is actually paying a player money specifically to be able to use their Name, Image & Likeness for an advertisement of some kind. That is an endorsement deal. Previous to NIL, companies were not allowed to use college player's Name, Image or Likeness without paying them money to use it. But before NIL, companies were not permitted to pay any amateur student athletes. Only the top, most famous college athletes have received NIL deals and have been featured in commercials.

Coke - NIL
Pepsi - Collectives
Cola - Monetary Payments to Athletes.

7 minutes ago, Brad said:

You don't. 

Problems.

About time the college players are getting the millions of dollars they deserve! Until every college athlete is able to afford a sports car, we haven’t done enough! Good on FedEx for helping Memphis to pay these young men more money! Their starving families!!!!

42 minutes ago, SilverBull said:

Some have these views and questions regarding life and the world in general.  And yet, somehow we persevere.

No. YOU, me, and the rest of this forum perseveres. America perseveres. You ever take a step back and realize that we’re already the haves in all of this? But for the have nots in this global system, it’s starvation, suffering, rap3, looting, death? In a less consequential system of college athletics that isn’t the case and the worst thing that might happen is that athletic programs need to shut down. But regarding life and the world in general, millions don’t persevere and it costs them their life. Until it costs you one of your family members or your own livelihood, you’ll never understand what it is to be a have not in the world, if you think we persevere. This species may continue on but that certainly doesn’t mean each individual person will persevere. Do you want to be that person who doesn’t? Do you want to be that athletics department that doesn’t, even though the system lives on without you? I don’t. 

I know at this point, for most people, it's semantics, but can we stop referring to the payments to players from the universities as "NIL" and properly refer to it as "Collectives" like Deion Sanders was talking about in that video I posted. I know a lot of people don't care for Deion on this forum, but he's correct and we shouldn't be calling something one thing when it's not actually that by definition. Originally, we thought that's what these payments to players are -- "NIL" -- but that's not true. Universities are not paying players for their "Name, Image & Likeness" but rather are paying them using the tip jar of the Collectives. SOME players are receiving NIL deals but those are not from the universities, those are like signing endorsement deals as a professional and are coming from corporations for the use of the athlete's Name, Image & Likeness in their promotions/ advertisements. 

NIL ≠ Collectives 

It's been 10 days since Karter decommitted from UK. I wonder why there wasn't quick news about him committing to Calipari at Arkansas. If he was committed to Coach Calipari as his coach, why the need for any delay? Perhaps he wasn't committed to Cal at all but instead was committed to Cal at UK but is now open to going elsewhere because the coach left that particular program. Clearly he wasn't planning on following Coach Calipari wherever he went or else I'd think he'd immediately announce his commitment to Arkansas. Interesting.

P.S. Not suggesting he has any interest in coming to USF, only pointing out Karter's actions/ behaviors/ lack there of.

39 minutes ago, Cat941 said:

 

Whats the conversion rate for ACC Academic Honor Roll to Offensive Rebounds?

On 4/16/2024 at 6:33 PM, Cat941 said:

It won't let me read the article so maybe someone can tell me what it says. 

 

3 hours ago, bull2saintleo said:

Try copy/paste the link into incognito mode on Chrome, it works 50/50 for me that way.

Anytime you want to read an article that is behind a paywall:

1. Copy the link for the article you want to access.

2. Type “12ft.io” into your URL bar and press enter.

3. On that website, paste the link from the article and click the button. Tada!

3 hours ago, Bear said:

I would be for this, until he went to a ucf game and tweeted about USF.

 

All he said was that they did it the right way. That’s objectively true. That’s nothing to shame him for, he’s allowed to point out factual information. That fact is why UCF was invited to the Big 12 and USF treaded water for more than a decade. Just accept it, we were bested by Central Florida in football program development. 

31 minutes ago, panchosanchez99 said:

Just saw an article that St. John's was another school he visited.

He’ll never be able to play for Pitino lol Pryor is too undisciplined for Pitino’s desired lineup. He’s still trying to straighten out his inherited St John’s team. 

Kennesaw State before and after losing CAAR and the 3 transfers:

I wonder what USF would look like next season if we lost CAAR, our core 3 and maybe even Reid.

29 minutes ago, Triple B said:

Get your overall message but Kentucky as a comparison? I doubt there are more than a handful of basketball programs in the country that pull in 10K for a coach introduction ...

It was the only arena filling up this past weekend for me to make the comparison of David vs. Goliath, it was all I had.

7 minutes ago, BigSteve said:

Whether we agree or don’t agree on NIL, it’s here.  Buy tickets or don’t buy tickets.  Cheer for USF or whine all the time.  

I don’t like professional sports anymore.  I choose not to watch them.  If you don’t like the current state of college sports, don’t watch them.

I choose to buy tickets and cheer.  I won’t get dragged into the negativity on this board.

Hey man you're the one who decided to make an account of this forum a week ago. Negativity is a core part of our culture here on TBP and that's evident without even making an account to participate in the negativity. That was your first mistake. Welcome!

1 hour ago, flsportsfan83 said:

hmm. surprising

Not really for me. A lot of these young guys want to separate themselves from family and do things on their own without their parent or uncle watching their every move at this time in their life. It could have gone either way, but not a surprise to me.

I just saw over 20,000 fans show up to U of Kentucky's Rupp Arena to attend the introduction of their new basketball coach. 1. We can't even fit 20,000 fans in our arena and 2. We sometimes don't even put 4,000 fans in our arena FOR GAMES, let alone a coach introduction. If we did an introduction like that, I think we'd pull in a few hundred to attend. Our new basketball coach announcements take place via an instagram/ X post and then a small, lightly covered press conference in the Athletics Center. We will never compete with the power of the most elite programs in the country, especially now that NIL/ Collectives are set up to further solidify that eliteness and create a larger separation between them and the others.

4 hours ago, Bull Matrix said:

RELAX!!! 

Can you believe CAAR was able to tell a whole bunch of women Bulls fans to “Relax” and he’s been able to continue to live another day? Savage lol

9 hours ago, BigSteve said:

Dress it up any way you like, it's bribery and pay-for-play.  I understand what Deion is saying (only a handful of athletes have a real NIL deal) but no one cares.  We have the haves and the have-nots.

Absolutely. I’ve been saying this in many of my posts on here for a while now. It’s terrible, I hate what they’ve done to college sports. I always considered myself a fan of college sports for the exact opposite of what they have done.

36 minutes ago, Brad said:

NIL is buying players. It’s bribery it’s nothing more. It’s nothing to do with NIL name image likeness. It’s about buying players it’s stupid. I hope that’s what he said

He would say those are the Collectives that are being used for bribery. He goes on to say that basically true NIL is hardly even being used but people are conflating the terminology with Collectives. He seems to believe the Collectives/ bribery are the problem and the NILs (which he says are only being provided to a few athletes across the country -- since you don't see more than a handful of college athletes on commercials) could be used as a good way to encourage athletes to be at the top of their game to get the financial backing from a corporation who will pay them money from their Name, Image, and Likeness. Otherwise, everyone is just using Collectives to bribe better players to come to their programs.

Can’t blame him for leaving for more money. He has to support his future family. 

1 hour ago, bullstampede9922 said:

Huh?  Why would you blame a player who transferred here, helped turn the program around and won a conference championship??  USF got as much out of these kids as they got from USF.

What is is your actual definition when you say "turn the program around"? Does that mean for a week at the beginning of the season where we win 3 games in a row after going 0-30 the previous year? Is it being 1 game over .500 after a month? Is it winning a conference championship for 1 season or is it a national championship in 1 year? What is it called when the core of the team leaves during the off-season and the team then goes 0-30 the following season? Is that actually "turned around"? "Turning around a program" for USF is not yet realized because it takes more than 1 season to come to that determination. If we revert to the status quo of USF basketball next season, I would not say things were turned around at all in terms of the program. It was a good season with talented players but most of those players have left. Basketball only requires 5 players on the floor to win, so during any given season, you can quickly advance or quickly revert from the previous season. When you lose 60% of that core 5 man roster (arguably the core 3 of the success of this past season), nothing has been turned around. It remains to be seen whether this was a blip on the radar. "Turning around a program" to me is defined as sustained success after a period of sustained failure or stagnation. If those guys aren't here for more than 1 season and the success shifts back into failure, they, in fact, did nothing for the sustained success of turning around the program. But that remains to be seen.

1 hour ago, bullstampede9922 said:

Unless you are volunteering to help them financially later in life, post-playing career, can't make any comments on their decision to provide for themselves and family. 

I'm sorry, but I guess I'm of an old school mentality. College basketball should not be a lottery where some players win prizes along the way (I continue to oppose the view of it being Professional Lite -- this is where I base my opinion). College sports are not a way to make a living and getting a temporary payday as a college student is not a living, it's a lottery win that, in my opinion based on the statistical information available for lottery winners, will ultimately be blown by a very high percentage of these guys in their 20s. There will be a lot of regret and I fear a lot of drug abuse and crime ahead for many of them who quickly blow through their college lottery win. I guarantee you that most of these NIL guys aren't setting up retirement accounts with moderate growth projections over the next 30-40 years but are rather buying high-end clothing and sports cars. It's wholesome to think they're caring for their families with their NIL but I'm telling you, that's not the case (some may be, but that's not reality). Be honest with yourself. Most of these guys will blow through the money and will end up right where they would be or perhaps worse off without having received it. It's the few who make it to the pros and have continued success with multiple contracts who will make a living from sports and not just a lottery payday.