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Lol who cares about GOR. We should all do GOR and if a bigger offer comes in from ACC/Big 12 we take it. GOR at $4M and if we leave to make $17M and have to leave the $4M behind we do it.

That's not how a Grant of Rights work. The NBE will control the TV rights until the contract is up therefore switching to another conference means their is no value from USF to the conference. So USF in NACC playing Wake at home would be broadcast rights of NBE.

HM101- I saw the GOR more money thing today and that is interesting to me especially in the terms of NBC. NBC wants to guarantee a quality brand for a long term investment of NBE.

Losing any 2 of UCONN, Cincy and USF makes the NBE truely awful. So NBC making a lowball offer $2-3 mil a year versus $4-6 mil makes sense to me.

USF, Cincy and UConn knows a NBE GOR kills them for many years possibly permanently if a breakaway happens, so taking that offer from NBC for $2-3 mil could behoove USF.

The question remains does a USF say absolutely no to a GOR and cost everyone more for the chance B1G starts the dominos and takes 2-6 ACC teams.

On a WVU board we have been discussing this

Here is where I see it's going.

The Big 4-5 will end up breaking away from NCAA along with the C7 schools will end up breaking away from the NCAA, because of BCS money being shared with others, and the NCAAs biggest money maker is March Madness. The top 60-80 football teams and 10-20 bballs teams are going to split that money.

The athletes will get paid a stipend of about $10k per semester spring and fall and $5k for summer for a capped total of $25k per year. The schools will have to decide which sports that they want to give stipends to and how much based on revenue that sport brings in or how much you want to support that sport.

The money from TV, March Madness, and not sharing BCS money will help make these payments.

What are examples of what other schools do that we don't?

 

This is WVU's MAC Club -  http://www.mountaineerathleticclub.com/ - The "perks" are broken down per money basis also.  In order to get most football tickets you have to be a member.

 

In it we also have the 1100 Club - in which to be a member you have to donate $1,100 a year and this money is to be used for recruiting purposes only.  (Dana is thinking about dropping it  because these members seem to have more "requirements" of "perks"

 

Now how do you get more donations, well honestly winning helps, it drives enthusiam, once you get people donating usually they dont stop unless they cant afford it. 

 

This is happening at WVU, recently a poll was asked of former donors and season ticket holders what would it take to get you back, about 9k said more family friendly financial seats and such.  Our problem is we have 60k seats and usually have 51-60k fans in stadium.  In past before construction additions limited standing room we had about 70k people for certain games.  We are undergoing changes now that actually might hurt attendance.  Our program is going to start priority points, meaning $ donors get preference on more seating, (Next season at basketball) which means probably less people attending through the week games since some of our major donors are out of towners.  Also we are charging $20 a game to park at the basketball arena which is unaffordable to standard family after buying 4 tickets of $40 a piece.  Our football parking is ridiculous  http://mountaineerathleticclub.com/page.cfm?storyid=78  - RV for season pass is $6500

 

Now people stating their season tickets cost more and are in worst seats, have points because others are selling their tickets on secondary markets. You cant stop that, now those people when winning comes back around wont be doing that unless for a profit.  Now the chance you take is keeping your seats if USF is winning or paying more for losing.

 

CWT was a great hire, but its going to take him 3-4 years to completely turn the corner with recruiting and imposing his presence.  Giving him and the program money and more importantly support will turn it around quicker.

The reason that UK is on these kids is because they now have a head coach from Florida with several Florida assistants on staff.  They knew about these kids already, they didn't look at the USF list and drool all over it.  Be real.

Also a lot of the kids fit the types of Off/Def that UK is running now under Neal Brown/Stoops that Willie Taggart. Holtz was more of a spread offense and Badet fits that system better.

Imo copeland was an option at USF with Holtz as a slot, with Taggert I dont see it being a good fit.

Don't count out WVU on this kid.

Why would we count WVU out?

My hunch is he picks UK.

Mine was that or Pitt until today, we visited him Tuesday then last night we had one of our RBs decommited and go to Temple (a good kid that can play) it seems we might have suggested to him to possibly look elsewhere ( Note:we did not pull offer). But we were still recruiting Daryl Chestnut (former TT commit from Miami, whom the coaches liked alot) and Kemp. Daryl had an official scheduled with us Monday but today cancelled and committed to Western Michigan. Originally we slowed a bit on Kemp because we had 4-6 RBs/slot guys and got a Juco EE D. Smith. So it appears to me we got Kemp or the other slot WR we were recruiting Mario Alford (Zona commit), this week.

Don't count out WVU on this kid.

You have to have 9 if you go to 20, 10 if cross rival. 18 would be 8 or 9 with cross rival.

If 20 i like 4 pods of 5, with 9 games and Champ, so you play everyone once every 3 years.

But yes you are right less games against "have nots". USF needs B1G to expand with the less the best right now.

McMurhpy just tweeted B1G to consider 9 or 10 league games.

Pitt thinks they are out, says its down to Tenn or USF.

That's big news you got a link, source for that?

PantyLair - Pitt Rivals - I was reading on Tyler Boyd and their mini meltdown so far.

Pitt thinks they are out, says its down to Tenn or USF.

Reminder Big 12 meetings Mon & Tues, Monday is to discuss realignment and scheduling with other conferences.

In realignment regards expect to hear USF/UCF as possibilities to Big 12, though it wont happen soon, if ever. Big 12 knows it cant crack the ACC but needs B1G and SEC to do so.

Last week Gee (OSU President) went on record about B1G x 2 = 20, They are clearly targeting ACC and possibly a Big 12 & SEC team.

My preference would be to offer Miami (who is ACC 1st, Big 12 2nd) now, give FSU a chance to accept if they dont (ie go B1G) invite USF, to get to 12. Then wait for rest of dominos to fall. Then take 4 to get to 16 for 4 pods of 4.

You mean take USF only after FSU refusues and moves to the BIG?  YES, Big 12 needs 2 FLa teams, imo

What about this conference alliance the big 12 was talking about?  Conference intra league games during season (Kick off games like Bama WVU in 2014) and more bowl games between the two (OWNED by the 2 conferences - at either neutral close sites, so WVU would go up against VT (assumes Big 12/ACC) at say Fed Ex Field.  Big12 is doing what is best for them now including ACC in this until B1G and SEC makes moves, and doing this makes sens with the 5 leagues and when it becomes 4 it just gets realigned also.  Either ACC or Big12 will be dead as we know it in 5-7 years, imo.  Big 12 will either be gone, or it will be a ACC/BE merger

Also, I cannot imagine any university leaving the SEC. But, it would be a smooth transition because the SEC has no exit penalty that I am aware of. The only SEC target I can imagine is Mizzou. Mizzou only one and would jump at B1G, Big 12 team would be Kansas

USF has value as a Florida school for recruiting and for a TV network fees in Florida. I guess the same applies to UCF but USF has a better image having been an AQ team and having at least some history of being defeating good teams.   Yes, USF would give West coast/Miami would give east if FSU said no, both would overlap UCF in Orlando, imo

Miami is interesting because in my opinion they are on a decline and i dont know if they can recover. Terrible attendance, haven't been relavent lately, and are a small private school with a smaller alumni base. Their biggest asset is their history and location, but I don't see a lot of future growth potential for them like there is for USF and even UCF or Houston.  Forget attendance its about people watching the tv and they have a national audience

The biggest X factor in this is the PAC 12 and whether or not Texas and Oklahoma will want to jump ship in a few years.  Option but Texas does not want PAC it wants B1G, issue is its little brothers, I see Texas in ACC before PAC 12, and if that happens I could see PAC 20 like Big 20 and them "combining"  as a joint combo with them being one of the playoff teams and SEC & (ACC/Big 12 ) the other

It's obvious the big 12 needs to expand by at least two. USF and UCF is the path of least resistance because of the ACC exit penalty. This I think is the best thing we have going for us.  Problem is its easier to blow up Big 12 with 10 schools (8 finding homes - 80% Vote needed) earlier than the 12 year GOR than with adding USF/UCF

When Dana took over he stressed "national recruiting" because other teams are now doing what we used to do taking 15 or so Fla kids (what UL and UK are doing), so there is less kids around. He actually needs to work Texas more,IMO.

As for a home and home, probably not for a while with a 9 team Big 12 conference and needing Maryland on schedule ( who honestly is the more important rivalry than Pitt due to recruiting DC Metro). So that leaves a home game (lower level team possibly a Fla team - FAU,FIU in future) and another one (2014 starts out against Bama in Georgia Dome). So unless it was a 2 for 1 (and no means saying its fair to USF) it will be a while. (FAU, FIU would probably do a 2 for 1)

WVU does not have a huge metro area around it with a large population but we have a large alumni/fan base that includes WV, Pittsburgh, DC Metro (Hagerstown MD, Martinsburg WV over to DC), and NJ (it's cheaper to go to WVU than to Rutgers if in state NJ student)

Reminder Big 12 meetings Mon & Tues, Monday is to discuss realignment and scheduling with other conferences.

 

In realignment regards expect to hear USF/UCF as possibilities to Big 12, though it wont happen soon, if ever.  Big 12 knows it cant crack the ACC but needs B1G and SEC to do so.

 

Last week Gee (OSU President) went on record about B1G x 2 = 20, They are clearly targeting ACC and possibly a Big 12 & SEC team. 

 

My preference would be to offer Miami (who is ACC 1st, Big 12 2nd) now, give FSU a chance to accept if they dont (ie go B1G) invite USF, to get to 12.  Then wait for rest of dominos to fall.  Then take 4 to get to 16 for 4 pods of 4.

I have a good feeling about Jojo.  He has family values. That is why he is going to consider the whole family.  Going to USF is a true family decision.  He will still be close to his mother and other HS friends.

He will receive an excelent educcation.  

 

Go Bulls

 

How good? 

How close are you guys to running out of schollies? We're getting pretty close...

 

We have 5-7 openings - we have a really good depth class, and adds where we lack depth (what WVU lacked with Stewart - the reason he "Kragthorped" us just like Holtz did to USF)  We will finish with 28-29 scholarships and two kickers/punters (one who could also play LBer while kicking) as walkons because 3-4 count towards last year class as Early Enrolles.  http://westvirginia.247sports.com/Season/2013-Football/Commits

 

We got some kids who I think are stars who arent rated highly but if you watch video you just see talent, plus our last 2 coaching hires are great recruiters so new names keep popping up, so much so I cant really know who is going to be there.

 

Also for USF to note UL only gets 3 or 4 more guys also, this comes into play with a guy deciding tomorrow Keith Kelsey.

 

My guess to finish out WVU (on schollie)

 

1.  Paul James - WDE from Miami

2.  Grant Lingafelter - OT from Ohio

3.  Marquion Lane - CB from Deltona

4.  One of Mackenro Alexandar - S - Immakoke (Preference) or Jeremy Tyler - S - Georgia

 

Depends on who could/does commit (below) - if none of big importance than the Kicker/LBer probably gets a schollie and we coud save 2 for next year

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This would be of Mackensie Alexandar - CB - Imm., Tyler Boyd - WR- FL, Mario Alford - current Arizona commit - RB/Slot, Dionte Savage - Baylor OG commit, D'Asian Richardson - DT - once a WVU commit that flipped to UL that could flip back.

@J_Kemp4: Thanks to USF for showing me and my family a wonderful Time! #GoBULLS

 

That sounds like something one would say after a date --and not intending see the person again.

 

I hope he signs but I'm not going to "wait by the phone."

I really would like to see Kemp at USF, but the issue with Kemp is he is the premier RB for Pitt in this class, yes he will be behind Shell but they are not getting 2014 RB Mackensie.

Both 247 and Scout show Mackensie at Rutgirls this w/e.

 

Mackensie was at Auburn this weekend, while Mackenro was in Morgantown, it appears we now lead for Mackenro and possibly Mackensie visiting WVU next weekend.

 

Sorry I had to post this one, glad USF picked up Robbins but the brothers with Marcellus would be a coup for WVU.

Wow. We didn't even have a thread on this guy.

 

Yeah, what the **** is up with that??

He just scheduled his visit mid week to USF, he did not have USF on radar until about last week, after visiting UL.

Looks like the nap did the trick. LOL

 

 

Go Sara, being serious, she is a major recruiter for local guys. Nothing but respect for her dedication to the Bull.

 

Who's Sara?

And does she have a twitter account?

Robbins is a very good get, most see him as a SS or even FS, I think he will get the chance at CB at USF which appears what might be part of reason he chose USF over UL with a 3-3-5.

He actually played in the KC organization a few years ago also, not sure he is headed to playing baseball though, also thinking about football again, hopefully not as a QB but as WR or CB where he should have been in the first place.

Holtz and staff didn't take commits from the borderline cases, at least not often.  Leavitt used to take commits of non-qualifiers by the boatload, hoping they would come back after junior college.  Taggart so far looks like he might be in between, taking a couple of borderline cases.  But we won't really know until after a class or two.

Remember WT has only had a month you take who you can get and then after signing day take a few chances on un ranked kids. WT is doing a great job tiring down those he can quickly.