Frishmanflz

 

deserves another year to get this turned around. Vegas had USF losing by 20 pts to Memphis, but USF was able to keep it at 11 points. CWT is on the right track with recruiting. He played a lot of Fr and Sophs that will be better. Things are looking up for USF. Keep the faith and give CWT one more season.

What did you see in this game that would lead you to believe things will be better next year? You do realize that Mcfarland and Davis are graduating. Besides those two, the rest of the offense was 1 play by Mack for 75 yards. We only had another 17 yards on ground. That is pretty bad for a run oriented offense.

Or was it the 3 timeouts we had to call because Taggart didn't get the plays in until there were only 12 seconds left on the play clock.

The majority of the Freshman that are positively contributing are defense. That defense gave up almost 500 yards. There have been at least 3 games where they have given up over 300 yards in a half.

I get that the OP likes to look at the bright side of things, but the reality is there doesn't appear to be any positive progression from the coaching staff unless there are major changes to their approach.

The freshmen RBs are very good, but even if they improve even more next year, what will that bring to the team. Mack is already the conference rushing leader and we still can't keep games against the top half of the league competitive into the 4th quarter.

At this point I see the problems more at the coaching schemes, SITUATIONAL play calling and team preparation than with the talent.

 

How can you say there hasnt been positive progression?  We have doubled our win total from last season; +1 progression.  Offensive numbers are up accross the board (yards, tds, scoring); +2 progression,

Rebuilding a program from the ground up takes time.  If you think this was gonna happen over night then you are sadly mistaken and might as well stop reading and posting on message boards as it will just give you a headache.  CWT will get atleast 2 more years to right the ship. 

So let me get this straight....CWT takes a team that was horrid, weak, lacking heart and using skip's team and most of his recruits goes 2-10 in his first year with a walk on QB and a QB that couldnt take a snap from center that is no longer playing football, a transfer that has never played, and a true freshmen then into his 2nd year with many of the same players from the previous coach, playing almost all of the new freshmen and redshirt freshmen he recruited just to start building for the future even though they are not ready and is 3-5 and will most likely go 4-8 or 5-7 with an outside chance of 6-6 , a 2 to 4 game increase in wins over the previous season and you all dont see progress?  What did you think was gonna happen?  CWT was gonna come in and magically cure all of Skip's ill doings and change a culture of laziness and losing in 1-2 years?  Most of you are out of your everloving minds to expect this was gonna be a quick turn around a 1 year fix.

So let me get this straight....CWT takes a team that was horrid, weak, lacking heart and using skip's team and most of his recruits goes 2-10 in his first year with a walk on QB and a QB that couldnt take a snap from center that is no longer playing football, a transfer that has never played, and a true freshmen then into his 2nd year with many of the same players from the previous coach, playing almost all of the new freshmen and redshirt freshmen he recruited just to start building for the future even though they are not ready and is 3-5 and will most likely go 4-8 or 5-7 with an outside chance of 6-6 , a 2 to 4 game increase in wins over the previous season and you all dont see progress?  What did you think was gonna happen?  CWT was gonna come in and magically cure all of Skip's ill doings and change a culture of laziness and losing in 1-2 years?  Most of you are out of your everloving minds to expect this was gonna be a quick turn around a 1 year fix.

It should put up a huge RED flag when neither Leavitt, Skip, or CWT will hire MB as a full time coach.  Yes he may have relationships with the Team Tampa kids as he is one of their Flag football coaches but what kids has it gotten to USF?  I loved him as a player but it seems that noone wants to hire him as a position coach even with his ties to Tampa, which should be concerning.

QB coach is still open...Rumors had it Weinke or Blackwell would get teh job.  I doubt it will be blackwell or they would have already made teh annoucement.  Weinke has not been contacted by USF as of yet.

From what i heard that both got caught smoking pot by hotel security at the team hotel in Orlando prior to the UCF game.

I will be very impressed if CWT can recruit a respectable class this offseason. This season and the way we played has not helped.

Have you looked at the recruiting class at all?  we still have like 6-9 more spots to fill and we are already movign towards one of if not the highest rated recruiting classes in USF history.  We are the #1 of the AAC remaining schools and schools that are coming in.  DO SOME RESEARCH!

 

The same people saying Taggart is a bust are the same people that were ready to annoint Skip as our savior after we beat Clemson. Because we are USF fans and our program is so young, I feel people have no perspective as to what it takes to build/rebuild a program in major college football (building it from scratch and getting them in that position is completely different btw so don't bring Jim up).

 

 

Taggart isn't a bust. It is way too early. l see all the basic elements of a winning football team here, we just need to give him time to find his players.

 

He isn't a bust yet, but the trajectory points toward that.  We are a MUCH worse football team under him than under Skip Holtz in nearly every aspect of play.  We said the same thing for 3 years -- needs time to get his players in the system.  If we don't make it to a bowl next year or come awfully close then Willie should absolutely be fired as should our AD.

 

Are you really that ignorant or do you just try to stir things up? 

USF Defense is lightyears ahead of anything skip put on the field with less experience.

USF Special Teams has a kicker and coach up for national awards

Shaw before he got hurt was on track to rush fr 1k yards.

Davis broke the single season record for wr yards in the UCF for a season.

We are a better football team now skip is gone but we are left with skips recruits and lack there of.  Look at what skip has done to La tech a 9/10 win team last year that averaged over 40+ points per game and went to a bowl game.  Now La tech will be lucky to make a bowl game and are averaging less then 20 points a game.

Willie has a plan and is implementing it.  Look at WKU, Stanford, and 49ers.  The method works and it works at all levels.  It takes time to get rid of teh crap that was left to him and recruit guys to play in his system.  Look how the freshmen are playing and you can already see the difference.  2 ints last night were by freshmen, 3 of the top 4 tacklers last night were freshmen, the qb freshmen, on and on.

Not a single player on ucf has Dunkley's wheels

we gotta find a way to get that kid the ball

fortunately for UCF their recievers can run the correct routes and catach teh ball.  Dunkley has all the talent in the world but wont put the work in to learn the routes and put time in working on catching the ball.  I can count 4-5 times last night dunkley ran the wrong route or dropped the pass.  One route cost a long ball td that he turn in instead of out.  Dunkley has speed for days but he can only run one route a go and even then he has troubles knowing whether he should look inside or outside for the ball.

So heres the thing....USF is 4-0 against UCF.  They have never beaten us in the history of the series.  Why shouldnt we be arrogant?  We are have been and are superior, history and the record books prove it!

Now tonight if/when UCF beats us they will 1-4 against USF.  We will still be superior as the above mentioned record book and history will still prove it.  However the game has not been played yet and anything can happen in a rivalry game.  A win by the rebuilding Bulls in the biggest season that UCF has ever had will be even sweeter.

The game has yet to be played and afterword it will still only be one game int he grand scheme of the history of the USF/UCF rivalry where USF has dominated.  One game will not change it!

 

Goodness no. He couldn't come up with a game plan to beat Georgia Southern at home. I don't care what kind of injuries they're dealing with the Florida Gators walk ons are head and shoulders above what Georgia Southern has. Awful coaching, awful game planning, that falls on Muschamp.

 

He  was competitive with Georgia Southern late in the season with lots of injuries.  CWT had all off-season to prepare and got his rear handed to him in our 1-AA!

 

It is looking more and more like firing Skip Holtz last season was a bad call - not just Muschamp but there are going to be lots of other coaches available this coming year.  We likely win 1 or 2 more games this season with Skip and spend a lot less money!

 

Rob i am sorry but that is probably the dumbest thing to come out of a smart guys mouth ever.

Stupid thread.

This was a program in need of a complete and total rebuild.

The defense did a good job of turning around and did it while giving a lot of young guys valuable experience.

Special teams has been light years ahead of last the past few years. Some bad decisions to come out of the end zone the last couple of games on kickoffs, but I imagine those were on the guys trying to take things in their own hands to make something happen.

Let's look at reality about the offense.

We came in to the season with one QB with very limited, unsuccessful experience that probably would have struggled to be a 2nd or 3rd string guy at most Sun Belt schools.

The second guy is a former walk-on who has hung around the program basically on the success of one drive four years ago. I respect the efforts, but another guy more than likely never seeing the field at 122 of the 123 D1 programs. Even as a backup.

Third QB was a last minute transfer whose skill set is probably not best suited for our current offensive scheme. Plus he came in less than 100% physically.

Then we turn to an 18 year old true freshman in a somewhat sophisticated offense. With little supporting cast. He has performed about as well as a true freshman would be expected. Let's be for real. He was a middle of the pack QB recruit. People have expectations that this was a superstar, number one QB recruit in the country.

Then we turn to his supporting cast. He has one average receiver on the roster to throw to. Not really a playmaker, but a guy that had one big game then disappeared until just the last few games. That is it at WR. No real deep threat to stretch the field. Not one receiver that has shown he can get open consistently not catch the ball consistently. No receiver on the roster has shown any YAC ability either. Catch the ball and get tackled...if they catch it. No break away speed on the roster no ability to get to the open field. No playmakers.

At RB you started the season with an undersized RB with limited touches, mostly in non meaningful situations asked to be a feature back in a smash mouth running game. Shaw is about 30 lbs undersized to carry the kind of load needed for this offense. Then your options go to a Juco transfer with only about 2 years total football experience, a true freshman and an unproven, inexperienced soph.

The OL was recruited to play a faster, speed oriented game. They were smallish with a poor track record of being able to pass block. Now thrown in to a situation where they have to play power football in a scheme most probably never played before.

Come back and ask the question if Taggart has been a bust at the end of next year after he has a chance to both bring in some playmakers with FBS talent and develop the players he has on the roster both physically and football intelligence wise.

rational thought on this board....blasphamy!!!!

Guys, I'm not saying you don't take the P5 invite if it comes.  You do, even if it risks a West Virginia kind of situation in the near-term.  All I'm saying is that in the meantime, we should emotionally invest in what we can control.  We can compete better in a P5 conference if we improve in football - joining a P5 conference now would result in $$$ but could also stunt our growth as a program in terms of wins/losses and national perception.  So it may be a blessing in disguise if we remain in CFB purgatory for five years.  In the grand scheme of things, five years isn't much time to wait.   

I dont agree.  If we get into a P5 our recruiting will sky rocket with the talent surrounding us that leave to go play in other P5 teams because of the preception of big time football.  There will be growing pains for sure but you cant compare WVU to us since they are in WV and recruiting in their back yard is not great.  No matter the conference they will have to travel to recruit, USF wouldnt have that issue. 

You say five years isnt that long in the scheme of things ...that may be true or the P5 conferences in the next few years say f off to the NCAA and create their own leauge then we are up a creek so to speak.

he is big and fast with long arms...we get it.

 

but he jumps off sides way too much.  he is a pro prospect as an OLB in a 3-4 defense.  not as a D-lineman.

This kid will put on 40 pounds of muscle and be a beast as an OLB at the next level.

if he puts on 40 pounds there is now way in hell he is OLB at 290-300

ok if anyone wants a mouse click program let me know...i use it a few times a day on it so i dont get carpeltunel =)

Starts at the Top (Douggie Fresh) is the problem.   He allowed Charliey Brown to kill this team and now the fan base. He also pissed away millions a year in a contract extension that we have to pay for years He also replaced him with a D2 type coach,(full of catchy phrases but yet to prove anything) I hope Coach T can turn it around, But imagine if we have the 1.1 million in Coach T's salary and the millions in Skippy's pay to leave to actually pay a proven coach at the D1 level.    

 

When will the fan base start waking up and speak with their money or demand that Judy do the right thing and clean house at the top. May as well do it now when we are that bottom than to draw this out for years and years to realize it has to happen at somepoint.

 

 

Notice that ECU is back again( took years of Skip being gone) ECU is sitting with 1 loss by 5 to VA Tech and beat the snot out of UNC yesterday),  La Tech lost to Army and is sitting at 1 win. 

As in almost everything you post you are completely wrong.  #1 skip is not getting millions a year.  His buyout was 500k a year.  #2 This D2 type coach you speak of that has not only been mentored by the Haurbaughs (who all started at d2 schools) was pretty successful at Stanford if memory serves me.  CWT has been a winner everywhere he has gone USF will be no different.

How can you point at Skip and say look at what he did at ECU and now LaTech and see the transformation of ECU now 3 years after he is gone and then say CWT cant do it after only 4 games.  You are a hypocrite.  You cant point to the success of ECU after skip and then say USF cant do it with CWT.  You cant have it both ways after 4 games.

I would tell Tag that he needs to start  coaching... we don't have a power running team, so its pointless to run a power Standord like running plan is pointless. He needs to coach and work up a routine that our current players can win with.

 

There is no excuse for losing to FAU and McNeese... those losses come down to coaching.

 

There is no excuse for not being able to beat McNeese, FAU.... I'll give tag a pass on these two losses, but going forward he should not be given a "pass" if we lose to UConn, Memphis, or SMU.

 

We have talent on our team, and by that I mean that we have enough talent on our team to beat McNeese, FAU, UConn, Memphis, and SMU.

Sorry Bubba but our total talent level is not there.  Skip left the cupboard pretty bare.  We have about 10-15 guys that Skip brought in whether walkon or on schollie that would make a D1 team.

Jtrue sorry but how much I do or do not donate to the program has nothing to do with how much of a fan I am.  I was there in 97 for the 1st game as a soph and have been a season ticket holder until this year.  I have donate not only money in the past, but my time.  How dare you say who is or isnt a true fan.  I have read you negative comments over and over and over...my friend (i use the term loosely) that is not a true fan.  A true fan loves and supports their team through the good and the bad.  They cheer whether they win or lose as that is what true fans do.  They support the program when they are rebuilding while dreaming of better days to come.  A true fan is not one to negatively comment of every little thing that goes wrong, a true fan does not boo his team, a true fan shows up rain or shine, cheers with all they have no matter what. 

I am sick and tired of all the negative and complaining.  Yes the team is down.  We are rebuilding get over it.  It may take 2-3 years to get the virus of skip holtz's effect out of USF but it will happen and CWT is the man to do it.  Thank you Mike as you get it.  I just wish more "fans" got it.  We are not Alabama, Florida, Texas, USC, we are USF a 16 year old program that is rebuilding for the first time and as much as it sucks it is a process.  Deal with it as a true fan would and support your team in any way you can.  Cheer loud, look for the progress, the little steps each week that show you what this program can be.

just my 2 cent

Well we could be La Tech!

So CJL built a team from scratch and could still put up 80 on a 1-AA team at home?

Yup CJL built a team from scratch, and after 3 years of planning, building, recruiting, and taking the field he hung 80 on the worst team in college football.  And after 8 months, with only a handful of his players he recruited, CWT has us at 0-3.  Yeah its a fair comparison....sigh

1-2 and after 4 games he was 1-3.  We beat Kentucky westlyn (sp) then lost the next 3 in a row.

We went 5-6 in our 1st year.   CJL had 3 years to build a team, teach them his ways, his schemes, recruit, etc.  

People stop having unrealistic outlooks and expectations.  It will take time to rebuild what CJL started adn what Skippy Destroyed

I knew what he did with the football program was incredible when it was all happening in front of my eyes.

 

I mean before Leavitt, USF was a ghost town in terms of sports fun, pride, and whatever else.

 

Then USF football, and then he got us to #2 in the land in the polls. Sure, when we can't even beat FAU, getting to #2 in the polls was pretty cool.

 

We skipped right by all the growing pain, or so it seemed; we never went through anything like we've been enduring for the last eight or so USF football games.

 

I love that man -not for who he is but for what he did for my beloved school. No one will ever have the same impact again, ever.

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Okay, for me now, it's all about hanging tough as a Bull. I swear the hurricane was over. Apparently not. Things will get better! My car tag will still USF is #1 with pride.

 

Go Bulls!

Yeah and it took CJL 10 years to get to #2 in the polls.  Besides that shinning example of USF football what else did he accomplish on the field.  He won games, yes.  Titles, no.  End of year rankings, no. 

But hey lets give CWT 3 games to do the same as what took CJL 10 years to build and what took skip 3 years to destroy.  Yeah that is fair, I think 3 games is enough.  Hell I mean lets Fire CWT now and the next coach only gets 1 game to fix all the issues....sigh.  Some of you are so unrealistic its truly laughable.

You forgot FIT they played and beat Stetson in their first game ever

 

 

 

They would have had to go for 2 eventually. I don't get why it matters if its the first TD or the second. If he misses it on the next TD, he still needs the ball one more time.

Its a % and odds game. If you kick the PAT you have a chance at scoring again and can tie the game with a score and 2pt conversion. However if you go for 2 there and make it you are in the same boat and still have to score another TD, but if you miss the 2pt you are down 2 scores and your chances to tie are drastically reduced. Its risk vs reward. You risk everything by going for 2 with no real reward because if you take the safe/correct choice you are still in need of a TD. Risk vs Reward.

Skippy is the worst coach in football!

It's not a risk vs reward. He has no choice but to go for 2 on either the present TD or the next one. The next TD missing the 2 would still make add another possession.

Either way he has no choice but to go for 2 eventually.

What he gains or losses by going for 2 when after a TD when down by 8 or when down by 15, the consequences of failing to convert are the same.

 

 

+1

 

THEY ARE NOT THE SAME.  The consequences are much different in perceived outcome of the game to his team.  As soon as the missed the 2pt conversion the game is over in basically they have nothing to play for.  they are down 2 scores with 4 mins left a very improbable situation to come back from.  They kick the PAT they think in their heads that they can stil do this thing down 1 score.

Its like when USF was down last year by like 2-3 td with Skip and on 4th and whatever he kicked a FG.  Yeah USF needed points but a FG doesnt get you to the end result you want.  3 points was as good as 0 points in that situation so you have to go for it.  SKip is a horrible coach and game manager.  He proves it over and over again.

While he would have had to go for two eventually.  You don't do it then.

EXACTLY!  Gismo I am sry but you are completely wrong.  Is does matter when you go for 2.  Going for 2 then and not converting basically says to his team game over, might as well give up cause getting 2 scores in 4 mins is not gonna happen.  Getting the PAT and being down 8 he can motivate his team to say hey we are only down a score, lets get this in the endzone and tie this game.  Its all about momentum, motivation, perceived results.  Ask any coach what is to be done in that situation and they say you kick the PAT, any coach not named SKip.