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2 hours ago, Bull Dozer said:

We've been around since 97 and recruited just about every one one that was FBS level and landed 1. I dunno how exactly you can argue we haven't had much luck pulling kids from plant because we finally got one in McCloud. There was even a point a few years back we had trouble getting any plant players. Until we started getting guys like Mazzi and Reed we even struggled to land other positions as well. Plant has been a struggle for USF over the years until CWT and CCS came along. I've heavily followed our recruiting since like 2004 Plant hasn't been a good place for USF until the last 5-6 years or so...... 

Keep in mind that I am a Gator and UF hasn’t gotten a Plant player of note since the 1980’s when I was a Panther. So when you tell me that USF has struggled to get Plant players I have to chuckle. That said, Leo Parker is going to be a great player for you. I’ve known the kid since he was in middle school. He was mainly basketball until a couple years ago when Jesuit talked him into trying football. 

Correct. UF had self imposed guidelines to make sure they avoided over-signing. My point was just that undersigning can hurt you and serves little or no purpose. 

It will be interesting to see who CKB goes after down the road. He’s got BB for 2019 and Battles/McCloud in the wings, but only one 2019 QB, right? 

30 minutes ago, Bull Dozer said:

We'll sign 3 maybe 4 more get some transfers and bank the rest. Look at how few visits we have lined up and the amount of of players we are aggressively recruiting. Signing day is right around the corner..... CCS will bank schollys for next cycle to keep the classes from becoming unbalanced 

You just have to make sure you don't bank too many and find yourself “undersigned” down the road due to the 25 signee yearly limit. UF ended up undersigned for what seemed like forever. This will be the first year in a long time that UF has the full 85 scholarships used. 

11 minutes ago, Bull Dozer said:

He's proven as much as this level as those kids, who've actually earned multiple FBS offers 

I'm talking Marve and on back homie 

Marve was the first one that did anything. Who did you want before that, Jason Sequin?

24 minutes ago, BDYZR said:

Just curious. Has this kid mentioned transferring, or anybody anywhere mentioned this kid transferring except here on theBullsPen?

No. It was just a hypothetical situation I brought up for discussion. 

3 minutes ago, Bull Dozer said:

We've been recruiting QB's there for YEARS before getting McCloud.   It has been an issue since loooooooong before CCS got here.   

The last one I can think of that you would have wanted would have been Phillip Ely, and he went to Alabama. After him was Colby Brown, then Rex Culpepper, then Dane Frantzen, then Jordan McCloud. 

13 minutes ago, Bull Dozer said:

   I would love to get Gleason but we haven't had the best luck in the past when it comes to landing Plant QBs..  

Umm, you’ve got one right now. Charlie living next to Plant doesn’t hurt, and getting a high flying offense should help too. 

3 minutes ago, NewEnglandBull said:

1. Linemen don’t get lined up correctly 

2. Offsides is pretty common as offense gets too focused on scoring and loses focus.

All of these happend during CWT era...not all the time but enough to notice. 

Ha! That still happens in the CWT era, just at a different school.   I think going fast in the red zone can be even more effective than the rest of the field, provided you do what Kerwin says and only go as fast as proper execution allows. Kerwin’s Red zone efficiency percentage numbers were in the 90’s, I think I read. So I think he gets it. 

1 minute ago, NewEnglandBull said:

Going fast sucks in the red zone though...

How so?

16 minutes ago, Bull Dozer said:

I'd gladly take the kid as a walk on.   Just not a scholly, gotta earn that and we are going to be hard after a QB this cycle that Bell gets to hand pick.

I can see having to earn the scholarship. Will USF be at it’s full 85 limit this year?

Speaking of QB recruits for Bell, it would be awesome if he could pull Tucker Gleason from Plant. I think he’d Be a perfect fit. 

6 minutes ago, Bull Dozer said:

If that's the bar then how many coaches bring their starting QB's with them when moving to a new program?  My guess is less than 50%

I agree completely. I don’t recall it ever happening. Although Scott Frost took his back up QB with him to Nebraska last year. 

I just thought it was an interesting idea. Very little chance it happens for any number of reasons. But I will say that Rogan Wells’ older brother played for Kerwin at Jacksonville. Maybe the ties are strong enough. Who knows. 

Are you saying you wouldn't take a full class or that you wouldn't use those ten spots for ol, dl, and lb?

45 minutes ago, JTrue said:

 

Again, graduating in three years is hard, but not unlikely. Wanting something to be true and it actually being true are very different things. 

 

It is unlikely that a football player is graduating in just three years. Unless you can show that more than 50% of NCAA football players graduate in 3 or less years, you are incorrect. As you said, wanting something to be true and it actually being true are very different things.    

Just now, JTrue said:

Saying he won't come here is an opinion, saying it's impossible to graduate in three years is neither fact nor opinion.

I rephrased my statement to say it was unlikely that he was graduating in three years. I stand by that. 

9 minutes ago, BrassBulls12 said:

Though still considered rare it does happen, when the players have plans. If this kid's plan was to go to D1 asap, he would be working towards it. If it wasn't, then Bell's hiring wouldn't have changed that. In any case all of the goals listed as possible motivations are still there a year later without having to miss a season of playing time. There's also a trophy in DII that he just missed out on. 

Fine, I concede. There is no way Wells would want to come to USF. We shouldn't even discuss the possibility. 

1 minute ago, JTrue said:

Deshaun Watson

Josh Rosen

Leonard Fournette

Artavis Scott

Alex Smith

Jaylon Smith

Again, graduating in three years is hard, but not unlikely. Wanting something to be true and it actually being true are very different things. 

 

So apparently I was wrong. I stand corrected.

7 minutes ago, JTrue said:

I'd like to know what makes you sure of this.

Fine.  Allow me to restate my position.  I personally find it unlikely and very difficult for a football player to be able to graduate in three years.  Is it possible? Sure. With dual enrollment and AP classes they could start college as a junior. I just have never heard of a starting college football player who graduated in three years, except for Jonah Williams at Alabama this year. Football takes a ton of time which makes doing the extra academic work difficult.

No way he’s in line to graduate after just 3 years (redshirt sophomore). The only reason I can think he might be interested in coming, even though he has to sit a year, is that he has won the DII title and has nothing left to prove at that level, and might like the idea of having a shot at playing on the larger DI stage. Greater challenge and MUCH more exposure if he hopes to make it to the pros. 

17 minutes ago, BrassBulls12 said:

Kyler Murray walked into a locker room knowing he wasn't gonna start. I feel like in the case of the VSU kid, the notion is he is coming to compete for the job. A little different circumstances. 

The VSU kid can't come in and compete for the job.. He has to sit a year.

21 minutes ago, zarnozdabull said:

Am I the only one that thinks that a system modeled under the "Steve Spurrier system" is as outdated as the HB-Dive heavy system under Gilbert?

I mean Gilbert also has good stat numbers for any new fan to argue.

I would've rather had a guy that wanted to go as fast as possible, its the current trend in college football and we were succeeding with it with the Gulf Coast offense.

Going fast for the sake of going fast is college football in 2019, not Steve Spurrier.

I don't know I'm not too giddy from Bell's comments whatsoever.

As he said in the press conference, what he got from Spurrier's system is the concepts of spacing and timing.  Wanting the execution to be as perfect as possible. And he wants to go fast. VSU's offense went fast. You don't set records for scoring by going slow. He just won't go fast to the point that it hurts the execution.  He's against going fast just for the sake of going fast.  He said he wants to go fast in order to put the defense at a disadvantage.  If you go so fast that you lose execution, the defense is no longer at a disadvantage.

4 minutes ago, BrassBulls12 said:

I'm not so sure you have to sit when transferring form DII

I am pretty sure you do.  I looked it up, but it is possible that I may have read it wrong. You don't have to sit if you go DI to DII, but if you go DII to DI you have to sit a year (unless you fits an exception).

http://www.ncaa.org/student-athletes/current/transfer-terms

1 minute ago, CousinRicky said:

If he has 2 years left, let him play at Valdosta, graduate and then come here as a grad transfer.  Or does he only have 1 year left?  

He is currently a redshirt sophomore. If he transfers in he'd have to sit a year, but would then be eligible to play his senior year.  Also keep in mind that Bell's contract is only for two years. He needs to get your offense kick started immediately. I don't think having the number 2 guy in all of DII come in to help out would ruffle many feathers in the locker room. If McCloud and Battles are worried about him taking their job in two years, you have bigger problems.  And him having just one year left to play should not deter any 2020 QB recruits since he'll be gone after their first year.

2 minutes ago, Gatorbull325 said:

I never said give him a scholarship. I just said based on his size, speed and stats he does look intriguing. I made a post a few days ago in which I stated that we need to stop pursuing transfer QBs so hard b/c i feel it may turn off potential high school recruits. I feel we need to work with who we currently have. 

I think I might be the one who mentioned giving him a scholarship in another post. I don't know what USF's scholarship situation is (UF has traditionally been well below the 85 max) but if you have one to spare I think it would be well used on Wells.  He would have to sit a year and would only have one year of eligibility after that, so he's not a threat to anyone immediately. But, he could certainly help the active guys learn the system since he clearly has it mastered. An extra QB coach so to speak.

7 minutes ago, BrassBulls12 said:

I couldn't make it through the whole tape but he is very talented. probably won't sign here short of CCS and CKB miracle. Not sure UGa is the right place for his skill set either though. I could see him at UF though. 

His style of play certainly doesn't mesh with UGA's current offense.  But seeing how they recruited Fields last year (who is now headed to Ohio State), maybe they want to move to a different style.