SoFlo All Day

13 minutes ago, SugeKnight said:

How many conference championships do you have? BCS bowl wins? New Years 6 bowl wins? In the words of Dr. Dre, b's ain't ish but o's and tricks ... and you're our b's for sure.

Aren't you supposed to be in prison or something?? 

2 minutes ago, ForestBull said:

Skip Holtz seemed like a good person too. Being a good person gets you jack **** in cfb.

What's your definition of good for CCS? "Allegedly" porking someone else's wife, while cheating on yours doesn't sound very holy to me. 

1 minute ago, NewEnglandBull said:

It does look like the game has passed him by...

  - called it. The team was in this game DESPITE the coaching. The only one who made adjustments was BJM.

2 minutes ago, NewEnglandBull said:

I am 100% all in on firing Gilbert andcwhoever coaches the special teams. I am wavering on Strong now....

I think Gilbert and the Special Teams coach were a package deal....makes sense doesnt it??

I think if MK is going to make any decisions they have to come after the game next week. Can't wait too long because of the new recruiting window - even for assistants. Possible that a change comes next week. 

1 minute ago, YouCantFinish said:

What's his buyout?  Isn't it a little steep?

200k after this year - you save $2.5mm and a couple more million on assistants. 

On one hand he might want to stay since he was injured this year and didnt have a full season.

On the otherhand, he might want to jump, especially if he has to play in this bull**** ass system that only utilizes him as a safety valve (the previous offensive scheme proved that TE's can be soo much more and would better highlight his skillset).

He also might just want to go get paid instead of getting beat to **** and then being told that he's not "executing" well enough....yeah I'm throwing CCS hate into this chat too...sue me. 

3 hours ago, Bull Dozer said:

Cutting Strong loose after two bowl seasons with the second in a major transition year would not be a good look. Young up and comers would look at that happened to an established name like CCS and wonder what kind of leash they would get and not consider the job. If we struggle again with everything we return then you can talk about Firing CCS. I think Kelly should try to point CCS in the direction of staff changes this off season though. 

I get the need for patience here, but this wait and see mentality could potentially cost us 12.5x if we cut him loose next year like you're suggesting. He's set to make $2.5 million next year if we keep him, but what has he done thus far (on his own merit) to deserve that? The fanbase that's pissed off is showing that its not going to settle for a coach who makes countless excuses, throws his players under the bus, and pivots on his opinion of the team to try and cover his ass when it starts to lose. I mean c'mon - we have no depth at WR outside of St. Felix?? Really?? That's crap and everybody knows it, including Charlie. 

Cutting him loose at $200k makes too much sense at this point. One way or another, he was going to be a rental coach when we first signed him. His contract was set up that way with the Texas money and the jump in salary for him and his coordinators. He needed to shoot the lights out at USF and he had the situation & players to do it. "The cake was baked." He didn't execute - simple as that. 

Also, thinking coaches will stay away because we fire a guy who posted a winning record I think is absolutely ridiculous. If a coach is not confident enough in their abilities to think they can succeed here with the expectations that we have, then we don't need them. Also, I would be willing to bet there's a large group of current coaches who think CCS probably isn't that good of a head coach anymore or is better off as a D coordinator. Much respected for his character (maybe not with UL boosters...), but I think his performance at Texas set the tone for his "name recognition" as head coach in most coaching circles. Mack Brown was a great coach at once, so was Phillip Fulmer, and Rich Rodriguez, and Les Miles - big name coaches lose their edge because the game passes them by. From what we have seen thus far, the same could very well be true for Charlie. Hell, maybe he wasn't even a real big name coach to begin with? 

Other coaches also probably aren't blind to the fact that USF has played nobody in the past 2 years. Just sayin'.

12 hours ago, usfgrad84 said:

I am not of the mind to fire Strong, but if accurate, point #3 about the buyout being only $200K and not being Kelly’s hire could be a big factor in decion making. Depends on what kind of pressure the donors are putting on Kelly and how the fundraising is going. 

If there isn't donor pressure already, you could sure see it if we get blown out in the next two games playing like we have.....especially against UCF. If I were MK, I'd atleast force some changes on offense and special teams. And not just digging back into Charlie's old network either. If you want to be successful here you have to be willing to think outside of the box and change your style like Willie did. 

58 minutes ago, SoFlo All Day said:

Is Brohm not a high character guy? I can see Charlie being considered, especially because UL athletics is trying to clean up its image, but this 6 game losing streak we're about to witness will cap any value Strong had coming into the season.

Actually I take this back - just read something about how Strong was allegedly involved in some "extra-curricular" activities with a UL boosters wife? Sheeeeesh. No chance they hire him back. 

1 hour ago, Hueyhog20 said:

I think so too. Strong’s greatest quality is his character

Is Brohm not a high character guy? I can see Charlie being considered, especially because UL athletics is trying to clean up its image, but this 6 game losing streak we're about to witness will cap any value Strong had coming into the season.

But how are they ever going to get another coach after firing a guy who posted a 77-35 record and only one losing season at the school??? What about the job security???? (Sarcasm)

See, its not irrational to fire a coach with a winning record...

Regardless of how the next three games go (they wont be pretty lol) I think MK is going to have some really tough decisions to make this offseason about football. I think it will come down to a combo of different factors on and off the field. 

1. If I'm MK, Im really worried on how a 6 game losing streak to end the year stalls momentum on the fundraising side and buy-in from donors to the program. We've worked hard to get donor momentum back on track and it feels like we are letting it slip away by losing and not playing well. MK's legacy will be how he builds up the football facilities - any threat to that should be taken seriously. 

2. Charlie isn't MK's "guy" - We are effectively in a Holtz year 2 scenario here. The team has a big win early on (ND for Holtz - GT for Charlie) - regresses as the year goes on, isn't ever ready to play and cant finish games, and limps to a crappy finish (Holtz year 2 was 5-7). We made the terrible decision to re-sign Holtz only to fire him the next year and then saddle ourselves with an annoying buyout. Does MK really want to replay that scenario with Charlie?? If he does, then he is essentially tying his job to Charlie's success and given how CCS has coached here the past two seasons, that is very risky. Dont give me that 17-5 crap either. Going 2-5 against teams with a pulse isnt cutting it. Not to mention - we should be 6-4, 5-5, or worse this year. 

3. The cost of cutting Charlie loose this season is dirt cheap (even for us). $200k to remove someone who is hurting the momentum of the fanbase for someone that you handpicked is an interesting proposition. Not to mention, Charlie will be very expensive to keep going forward and anyone who can stomach giving Sterlin Gilbert a raise after these past two seasons shouldn't be anywhere near a football program.

I hope MK lets this entire coaching staff go - going 17-8 across two seasons sounds great, but this staff is equivalent to an overvalued stock because of the coach's name, prior successes, and the fact that they won most of their games against garbage opponents.  If you take a deeper look at the stats then the picture is pretty clear. Also, the value of any type of investment should be in the expected future value, not a backwards looking statistic like W/L. 

4 minutes ago, jjlovecub said:

Most people were excited at the hire. Several said USF couldn’t even get him. Were we bad yesterday- yes we were. Is our defense way below par - yes. How many teams would love CSS as their coach - a lot. 

If teams fired coaches based on a few bad games everyone not named Saban would be fired. Probably you same people were screaming for CWT to be fired. Who do you want and who do you think USF is that we aren’t going to have ups and downs?

Harbaugh at Michigan had been a train wreck against his big foes. Blown out by Penn State, no offense and people screaming for his head with posts much like the ones on this Board. Saying eye test and this team plays terrible against mediocre opponents. Now 4 YEARS later there is silence. Maybe they beat Ohio State this year and maybe not but very few teams gel like magic under a new coach. It takes time  

Maybe CSS is the answer and maybe not. I’m just glad the posters on this Board have zero say in that decision. It’s really amazing you guys weren’t chosen to coach this team. Let the coaches coach and the fans cheer on and SUPPORT their team. If administration feels a change is warranted that is what they are paid to figure out. My apologies for trying to be rational for people who don’t understand what the word means. 

Having a down year is okay. 

When you have veteran players getting into scuffles with coaches on the sideline ON NATIONAL TV while you're getting blown out, thats a problem. 

When your team comes out the next week and gets blown out at home to a team that has no business (based on talent) being on the same field as you, that's a problem. 

When veteran players say they "have been just going through the motions" at practice to the local media and are overheard on the field saying "F**K this, I don't wanna do this anymore", that's a problem. 

When your team makes the same mistakes repeatedly over 21 games because they "just weren't ready to play"....you guessed it. Problem. 

There's nothing irrational about it. This team has no leadership and is getting soft. 

Just now, Apis Bull said:

All I can say is that it's a good thing we didn't fire xCWT after his second season (where he had a losing record).

Apples to Oranges - Willie was rebuilding the culture from the Holtz years where he had nothing to work off of from the previous coaching staff. Charlie inherited a winning culture with very talented players and has regressed that culture over 21 games. Big difference. 

Just now, Apis Bull said:

As I said before, maybe.  What makes you think he'd want to make what is in effect a lateral move to a team that just fired a winning head coach after two seasons?

How is USF a lateral move from Toledo?? Simply being in the state of Florida to recruit is a jump up. Not to mention having a larger budget and more exposure. 

If the pay is better, I have shot at being more successful (which he would at USF over Toledo), and I have the opportunity to potentially jump to a better job in the future, then why wouldnt I take the offer? Firing Charlie after two seasons doesn't signify that USF athletics culture is eroding, in fact I think the culture under the current leadership is very good with Michael Kelly and firing Charlie would be a measure to preserve the winning culture that we worked very hard to get back. 

TBH if a head coach gets scared away by a fanbase and admin that has high expectations for winning then we probably wouldn't have wanted that coach in the first place.  

Just now, Apis Bull said:

So, what coach can you think of that would take the job, knowing that they could be fired after two years, even though they had a winning record?

Process over results. If you're already seeing cracks in the culture of the locker room then you should probably make that change sooner rather than later. Also, I don't see this upcoming 3 game slate inspiring any comeback stories or team epiphanies that bring them together. Hope I'm wrong, but lets call a spade a spade here. 

To answer your question, I can think of a coach at Toledo who's making ~$500k this year and would surely love to double (or triple?) his salary...and recruit the state of Florida more successfully than he already has the past few years. His teams are really fun to watch too. 

I think we should cut him loose after this year - it would be one thing if we lost because we werent good enough, but the sound bites from a couple of the players after the Tulane game and the bust-up with McGee and Blue Adams suggest that the coaches are losing the locker room and people are giving up or just flat out don't care. The guys are just "going through the motions at practice." Why? What are the coaches doing (or not doing) thats effecting the motivation of the players? He keeps harping on execution and players having to wake up, but what is he doing to facilitate that?  Where's the disconnect here? 

Feel like the team is taking on the attitude of the coaches, which has been egotistical and entitled since it got here. Hindsight is 20/20 and some of the things that Charlie said about USF when he first took the job are starting to crystalize his sense of entitlement. Didn't he say some **** about Willie baking the cake and him (Charlie) coming in to put the icing on?? Sheesh. 

$200k buyout would be well worth the cost - cut it loose now instead of after next season (with the young talent we have on our roster, 2019 could be a really good year). He's had two years to get this team to wake up. If they havent yet - they probably wont next season under his leadership.  

1 hour ago, Calibull said:

That's my read.  I don't get what everyone is so down about, Strong is challenging his team.  I mean everyone is seems upset or something... or thinks something is wrong with the offense.  It's one scrimmage, in terms of the QB play Strong has likely suspected that Barnett was going to be the guy when he went and recruited him.  People think something is wrong because he's likely winning the job but it's nothing wrong with it... the guy is immensely talented and completely healthy.  You're worried about a guy who won the starting job at Alabama even though he had literal cuts in his intestines.  Arizona was just a fiasco because the entire staff got fired and Herm announced the competition will be for the #2 position.  We literally got lucky this guy made a bad decision in going to ASU because he's one of the best football players we've ever had at our school.  He is our first NFL talent at QB... BJ got drafted but come on...  

 

Nothing wrong with Kean and O... they're good for what we normally get but Blake Barnett is a completely different animal.  We never get the good toys like this.  We're going to win the conference.  

Hope that some upperclassmen step up and fill the leadership void this year and maybe thats what Charlie is trying to do here? Not sure where that will come from on offense. 

Seems like he is happy with the talent and depth on both sides of the ball, but is being hard on the team to compensate for the loss of experience from this past senior class graduating. 

Think its too early to make calls on conference championships until we see how this team responds to adversity without the leadership of guys like Flowers, Auggie, Hector..etc. 

I agree with your take on BB though - think he got a raw deal at Bama (the depth in talent there means that even really good players might see the bench - just ask Jalen Hurts...) and ASU looks like a bad situation with the coaching hire they just made. Who knows? Maybe he crushes it at the G5 level. 

33 minutes ago, BrassBulls12 said:

I did, wasn't impressed. Parking sucked. Had to walk a couple miles to sit packed like rats in a half ass stadium, spent most of the game trying to find the play clock hidden to the bottom corner because the apparently the scoreboard doesn't have that capability. 

To add to that - I couldn't even tell which section was mine because the numbers were placed so low and were covered by the crowd. Also, IIRC, I think C. had to bring in mechanical lifts for ESPN's cameras or extra lighting, but I could be wrong on that. Not to mention, wasn't there a report this past year that the stadium had major infrastructure issues due to rust?? No thanks. 

I think many people who are pro-UCF style stadium have a warped sense of how UCF gameday experiences really are given this past year's successes. Was their gameday experience so great when they went 0-12 or even 6-7? Judging from the lack of butts in the seats, I would say no. Hell, they couldn't even fill their stadium until the USF and Memphis (CCG) games this past year. The admin is better off spending resources to put the team in a position to play meaningful games, which means developing better teams that play in top 25 matchups or conference championship games, and scheduling better out of conference opponents given our G5 status at this point. 

The place might not be ours, but I'd rather lease a benz than own a rusted out corolla with the hope of rebuilding it piece by piece. Also, RJS is what we deserve especially since majority of the fanbase and local population has not proven its loyalty (financially or through attendance.) 

Fundraising for a football only facility makes the most sense because it presents a realistic (hell, maybe even ambitious) goal given our lack of donor support. Let's build that, crush recruiting, put together a longer string of consecutive 9+ win seasons, and ya know.... win a couple conference championships (maybe? possibly? if thats not too much to ask??) and then see where the donor interest/fan support gets to after 3-4 years. Also, would like to see if the hype around the AD's fundraising skills comes to fruition before diving into something that could potentially add a significant amount of debt to the university's balance sheet. 

Not having an OCS right now or even 5 years from now is fine - with the limited resources we have at our disposal we have to focus on projects that will give us a larger marginal return for our investment and right now that is an IPF and football only facility. 

Wonder who transfers out after the starter is named and how quickly....

15 minutes ago, Bull Dozer said:

Don't worry guys, well make the boring hire instead of Jurich and when White moves on from UCF in the near future they will take the risk and get a great AD to follow up their current great AD. Meanwhile we our "safe hire" AD continues the norm of failing to get our huge alumni base and the local business community engaged and consistently supporting the program.  FUN TIMES AHEAD!!!! 

Danny White only looks like a great AD because of Scott Frost - the fact that he cosigned on all the national championship bs and then paid championship bonuses to a leaving coaching staff (who tried to poach recruits to Nebraska) makes him look like a fool. 

At this point, I'd rather have a guy with baggage (like Jurich) who has proven what he can do, than an AD who has "no dirty laundry" and is boring as hell. 

Think that comment is a bit short-sighted in that almost every athletic program (and thus every AD) has some sort of dirty laundry.