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Aren't you supposed to be in prison or something??

What's your definition of good for CCS? "Allegedly" porking someone else's wife, while cheating on yours doesn't sound very holy to me.

- called it. The team was in this game DESPITE the coaching. The only one who made adjustments was BJM.

I think Gilbert and the Special Teams coach were a package deal....makes sense doesnt it??

I think if MK is going to make any decisions they have to come after the game next week. Can't wait too long because of the new recruiting window - even for assistants. Possible that a change comes next week.

200k after this year - you save $2.5mm and a couple more million on assistants.

On one hand he might want to stay since he was injured this year and didnt have a full season. On the otherhand, he might want to jump, especially if he has to play in this bull**** ass system that only utilizes him as a safety valve (the previous offensive scheme proved that TE's can be soo much more and would better highlight his skillset). He also might just want to go get paid instead of getting beat to **** and then being told that he's not "executing" well enough....yeah I'm throwing CCS hate into this chat too...sue me.

I get the need for patience here, but this wait and see mentality could potentially cost us 12.5x if we cut him loose next year like you're suggesting. He's set to make $2.5 million next year if we keep him, but what has he done thus far (on his own merit) to deserve that? The fanbase that's pissed off is showing that its not going to settle for a coach who makes countless excuses, throws his players under the bus, and pivots on his opinion of the team to try and cover his ass when it starts to lose. I mean c'mon - we have no depth at WR outside of St. Felix?? Really?? That's crap and everybody knows it, including Charlie. Cutting him loose at $200k makes too much sense at this point. One way or another, he was going to be a rental coach when we first signed him. His contract was set up that way with the Texas money and the jump in salary for him and his coordinators. He needed to shoot the lights out at USF and he had the situation & players to do it. "The cake was baked." He didn't execute - simple as that. Also, thinking coaches will stay away because we fire a guy who posted a winning record I think is absolutely ridiculous. If a coach is not confident enough in their abilities to think they can succeed here with the expectations that we have, then we don't need them. Also, I would be willing to bet there's a large group of current coaches who think CCS probably isn't that good of a head coach anymore or is better off as a D coordinator. Much respected for his character (maybe not with UL boosters...), but I think his performance at Texas set the tone for his "name recognition" as head coach in most coaching circles. Mack Brown was a great coach at once, so was Phillip Fulmer, and Rich Rodriguez, and Les Miles - big name coaches lose their edge because the game passes them by. From what we have seen thus far, the same could very well be true for Charlie. Hell, maybe he wasn't even a real big name coach to begin with? Other coaches also probably aren't blind to the fact that USF has played nobody in the past 2 years. Just sayin'.

If there isn't donor pressure already, you could sure see it if we get blown out in the next two games playing like we have.....especially against UCF. If I were MK, I'd atleast force some changes on offense and special teams. And not just digging back into Charlie's old network either. If you want to be successful here you have to be willing to think outside of the box and change your style like Willie did.

Actually I take this back - just read something about how Strong was allegedly involved in some "extra-curricular" activities with a UL boosters wife? Sheeeeesh. No chance they hire him back.

Is Brohm not a high character guy? I can see Charlie being considered, especially because UL athletics is trying to clean up its image, but this 6 game losing streak we're about to witness will cap any value Strong had coming into the season.

But how are they ever going to get another coach after firing a guy who posted a 77-35 record and only one losing season at the school??? What about the job security???? (Sarcasm) See, its not irrational to fire a coach with a winning record...

Regardless of how the next three games go (they wont be pretty lol) I think MK is going to have some really tough decisions to make this offseason about football. I think it will come down to a combo of different factors on and off the field. 1. If I'm MK, Im really worried on how a 6 game losing streak to end the year stalls momentum on the fundraising side and buy-in from donors to the program. We've worked hard to get donor momentum back on track and it feels like we are letting it slip away by losing and not playing well. MK's legacy will be how he builds up the football facilities - any threat to that should be taken seriously. 2. Charlie isn't MK's "guy" - We are effectively in a Holtz year 2 scenario here. The team has a big win early on (ND for Holtz - GT for Charlie) - regresses as the year goes on, isn't ever ready to play and cant finish games, and limps to a crappy finish (Holtz year 2 was 5-7). We made the terrible decision to re-sign Holtz only to fire him the next year and then saddle ourselves with an annoying buyout. Does MK really want to replay that scenario with Charlie?? If he does, then he is essentially tying his job to Charlie's success and given how CCS has coached here the past two seasons, that is very risky. Dont give me that 17-5 crap either. Going 2-5 against teams with a pulse isnt cutting it. Not to mention - we should be 6-4, 5-5, or worse this year. 3. The cost of cutting Charlie loose this season is dirt cheap (even for us). $200k to remove someone who is hurting the momentum of the fanbase for someone that you handpicked is an interesting proposition. Not to mention, Charlie will be very expensive to keep going forward and anyone who can stomach giving Sterlin Gilbert a raise after these past two seasons shouldn't be anywhere near a football program. I hope MK lets this entire coaching staff go - going 17-8 across two seasons sounds great, but this staff is equivalent to an overvalued stock because of the coach's name, prior successes, and the fact that they won most of their games against garbage opponents. If you take a deeper look at the stats then the picture is pretty clear. Also, the value of any type of investment should be in the expected future value, not a backwards looking statistic like W/L.

Having a down year is okay. When you have veteran players getting into scuffles with coaches on the sideline ON NATIONAL TV while you're getting blown out, thats a problem. When your team comes out the next week and gets blown out at home to a team that has no business (based on talent) being on the same field as you, that's a problem. When veteran players say they "have been just going through the motions" at practice to the local media and are overheard on the field saying "F**K this, I don't wanna do this anymore", that's a problem. When your team makes the same mistakes repeatedly over 21 games because they "just weren't ready to play"....you guessed it. Problem. There's nothing irrational about it. This team has no leadership and is getting soft.

Apples to Oranges - Willie was rebuilding the culture from the Holtz years where he had nothing to work off of from the previous coaching staff. Charlie inherited a winning culture with very talented players and has regressed that culture over 21 games. Big difference.

How is USF a lateral move from Toledo?? Simply being in the state of Florida to recruit is a jump up. Not to mention having a larger budget and more exposure. If the pay is better, I have shot at being more successful (which he would at USF over Toledo), and I have the opportunity to potentially jump to a better job in the future, then why wouldnt I take the offer? Firing Charlie after two seasons doesn't signify that USF athletics culture is eroding, in fact I think the culture under the current leadership is very good with Michael Kelly and firing Charlie would be a measure to preserve the winning culture that we worked very hard to get back. TBH if a head coach gets scared away by a fanbase and admin that has high expectations for winning then we probably wouldn't have wanted that coach in the first place.

Process over results. If you're already seeing cracks in the culture of the locker room then you should probably make that change sooner rather than later. Also, I don't see this upcoming 3 game slate inspiring any comeback stories or team epiphanies that bring them together. Hope I'm wrong, but lets call a spade a spade here. To answer your question, I can think of a coach at Toledo who's making ~$500k this year and would surely love to double (or triple?) his salary...and recruit the state of Florida more successfully than he already has the past few years. His teams are really fun to watch too.

I think we should cut him loose after this year - it would be one thing if we lost because we werent good enough, but the sound bites from a couple of the players after the Tulane game and the bust-up with McGee and Blue Adams suggest that the coaches are losing the locker room and people are giving up or just flat out don't care. The guys are just "going through the motions at practice." Why? What are the coaches doing (or not doing) thats effecting the motivation of the players? He keeps harping on execution and players having to wake up, but what is he doing to facilitate that? Where's the disconnect here? Feel like the team is taking on the attitude of the coaches, which has been egotistical and entitled since it got here. Hindsight is 20/20 and some of the things that Charlie said about USF when he first took the job are starting to crystalize his sense of entitlement. Didn't he say some **** about Willie baking the cake and him (Charlie) coming in to put the icing on?? Sheesh. $200k buyout would be well worth the cost - cut it loose now instead of after next season (with the young talent we have on our roster, 2019 could be a really good year). He's had two years to get this team to wake up. If they havent yet - they probably wont next season under his leadership.

Hope that some upperclassmen step up and fill the leadership void this year and maybe thats what Charlie is trying to do here? Not sure where that will come from on offense. Seems like he is happy with the talent and depth on both sides of the ball, but is being hard on the team to compensate for the loss of experience from this past senior class graduating. Think its too early to make calls on conference championships until we see how this team responds to adversity without the leadership of guys like Flowers, Auggie, Hector..etc. I agree with your take on BB though - think he got a raw deal at Bama (the depth in talent there means that even really good players might see the bench - just ask Jalen Hurts...) and ASU looks like a bad situation with the coaching hire they just made. Who knows? Maybe he crushes it at the G5 level.

Sorry for the long post everybody, but I just wanted to get this out. Apologies for the long read, but I hope those who get through it find a good takeaway or at least some value in it. Hey guys, I probably shouldn't be paying attention to the trolls on the interwebs who mock us.... but can we seriously cut this crap out? Our entire fanbase and program are getting roasted on Twitter by the sentiment of those who started this thread. For those who were around during the BE glory years, I get it. The program isn't what it was. Unfortunately, I dont really know what those years felt like - I went to USF from 2010-2014. Unlike some of my cohort, I looked forward to tailgating and cheering for a Bulls team even when it wasn't very watchable or entertaining and when it made the bump down to the AAC. USF gave me some of the best years of my life - football included. Even though it was frustrating to endure for my entire group of friends, I felt like we became a closer crew for going through the struggle of sitting through some challenging seasons. For some reason, I feel like that when I meet complete strangers who support our team. Little did I know then, that the failures of that era would make me a more loyal fan now that they are seeing success. I remember being in a couple of classes with football players during my senior year (when the team went 2 -10) and looking at the stress and anguish on the players faces during class, as if the other students were judging them for not being good - as if they had failed us. It crushed me, because they were some of the most dedicated guys I've been around. It gave me a sense of what it was like to be them in a way - just a kid trying to play a game and make it, but facing some adversity along the way. Now that I am out of school and see the players' success - even if it is in a "lower league" - I feel so happy for them. Even if I don't know them or get to meet them, I know that they bleed green and gold just like I do - just like everyone here on this blog does - and it makes me hopeful for the program. Now a few years out of school - I still look back fondly on all my memories of USF football during my post grad life and their stint in the AAC so far. The feeling in the stadium during the beatdown of Temple and Cincy in 2015, the excitement of playing FSU at home in 2016 (and that entire 11-2 season), the heartbreak of losing to UCF this past year (I cut Thanksgiving with my GF's family short to fly back to Orlando for that one). Those moments, among others, are ones that I won't forget and that make me appreciate the camaraderie that we all have as USF fans, because regardless of attendance, I do wholeheartedly believe that it is there. I recently left Tampa, to pursue a Master's at UNC Chapel Hill and even while at a P5 school, albeit, with a less competitive football program, I still find myself rooted to USF athletics (yes, even Basketball). Obsessively checking my Twitter on updates during Fall football camp, how the team is progressing, and how the QB competition is shaping up. Not to mention, many of my classmates went to smaller liberal arts schools with DII or DIII football programs and that makes me a whole lot more grateful for having a DI program that consistently has found a way to win. All in all, I guess what I'm saying is that no matter what predicament our program finds itself in (with gripes about an OCS or IPF or whatever) - we should look to the fun that we had, the friendships that we made rooting for fellow Bulls with fellow Bulls, and the experiences that we've had as USF fans as a way to keep the faith and keep hope alive for better days in the future. I hope that those who have lost interest look around at the current era and not think that we are lesser for any reason. For what it's worth, I don't think we have any reason to hold our heads down. Can't wait for this season to start and I will be cheering my ass off from afar. Go Bulls.

To add to that - I couldn't even tell which section was mine because the numbers were placed so low and were covered by the crowd. Also, IIRC, I think C. had to bring in mechanical lifts for ESPN's cameras or extra lighting, but I could be wrong on that. Not to mention, wasn't there a report this past year that the stadium had major infrastructure issues due to rust?? No thanks. I think many people who are pro-UCF style stadium have a warped sense of how UCF gameday experiences really are given this past year's successes. Was their gameday experience so great when they went 0-12 or even 6-7? Judging from the lack of butts in the seats, I would say no. Hell, they couldn't even fill their stadium until the USF and Memphis (CCG) games this past year. The admin is better off spending resources to put the team in a position to play meaningful games, which means developing better teams that play in top 25 matchups or conference championship games, and scheduling better out of conference opponents given our G5 status at this point.

The place might not be ours, but I'd rather lease a benz than own a rusted out corolla with the hope of rebuilding it piece by piece. Also, RJS is what we deserve especially since majority of the fanbase and local population has not proven its loyalty (financially or through attendance.) Fundraising for a football only facility makes the most sense because it presents a realistic (hell, maybe even ambitious) goal given our lack of donor support. Let's build that, crush recruiting, put together a longer string of consecutive 9+ win seasons, and ya know.... win a couple conference championships (maybe? possibly? if thats not too much to ask??) and then see where the donor interest/fan support gets to after 3-4 years. Also, would like to see if the hype around the AD's fundraising skills comes to fruition before diving into something that could potentially add a significant amount of debt to the university's balance sheet. Not having an OCS right now or even 5 years from now is fine - with the limited resources we have at our disposal we have to focus on projects that will give us a larger marginal return for our investment and right now that is an IPF and football only facility.

Wonder who transfers out after the starter is named and how quickly....

Danny White only looks like a great AD because of Scott Frost - the fact that he cosigned on all the national championship bs and then paid championship bonuses to a leaving coaching staff (who tried to poach recruits to Nebraska) makes him look like a fool.

At this point, I'd rather have a guy with baggage (like Jurich) who has proven what he can do, than an AD who has "no dirty laundry" and is boring as hell. Think that comment is a bit short-sighted in that almost every athletic program (and thus every AD) has some sort of dirty laundry.