Quo Vadis

there are some items you mention that I disagree with (Zook left with a cupboard full of talent -- something Meyer knew)

the one that I don't understand is how you seem to think that USF's ship was sinking when Holtz arrived

Zook left the cupboard full, but he obviously had no skills in the kitchen while Meyer did. As for USF's situation when Holtz arrived, i did not mean to imply that our ship was sinking. It wasn't, rather under Leavitt we had reached a plateau as a mid- to upper- level Big East team. Even though I thought (and think) Leavitt deserves a statue or at least a street named after him for how he built our program up from nothing, I was happy to see him go because IMO he had taken us as far as his abilities would allow.

But my point was that even when ships are sinking they can be turned around very quickly, so Holtz has even less of an excuse because he inherited a drifting, not sinking, ship.

The ****** play sucks, but I believe Skip is 100% correct. We are 2.5 years into the second-coach-ever's era of a 15-year-old football program. I don't think a rah-rah coach who can pull off an upset or two is ideal. I want a coach who wants to patiently construct a well-rounded program for long-term success.

I think he hears our voice. I'm giving him a chance to right the ship. He has made a few tactical errors, sure, but I'm still in.

Two and a half years is a pretty long time these days. E.g., I've lived in Baton Rouge for a while and remember that when Nick Saban came to LSU in 2000, the Tigers were in the toilet, coming off 4-7 and 3-8 seasons, and with all kinds of academic and off-the-field troubles among the football players. In just his second season, LSU rebounded to win the SEC title and the Sugar Bowl. And how long did it take Urban Meyer to clean up the Ron Zook wreckage and have the Gators on top? And to keep it in the family, Lou Holtz took over Notre Dame in 1986 when they were coming off a 5-6 season and a 58-7 loss to Miami and in year two had them in the Cotton Bowl.

It doesn't take long to right a sinking ship, if you know what you are doing. In our case, we have a program that is worse shape in terms of on-the-field performance than when Skip took over. Losing 10 of 11 Big East (not SEC or Big 12, but Big East) games? That is just ridiculous and gives me no hope for the future.

bullspen: "he doesnt take responsibility"

holtz: "i am responsible"

bullspen: "well... still... fire him!"

the man is taking responsibility and communicating the things we wanted to hear. the holtz era is not over.

if you don't like him at this point its your problem not his.

Why is it my problem not his? He has utterly failed as head coach of the Bulls.

Thanks for these great pics! Graduated in 1994 and haven't been back a whole lot of times since so glad to see how much the campus has progressed over the years.