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1 hour ago, jmbull said:

It was all talk about the acc letting fsu and Clemson walk only to the sec so that espn picks up the acc 2027 deal. Basically blackmailing them into taking it. Espn is trying everything possible for fsu and Clemson to not go to the big 12. If the acc keeps on putting a fight they will not pick up the 2027 acc deal and let them die like the pac 12 

Yeah.  Basically it gives ESPN some control and gives the ACC a declining percentage of Clemson and FSU money from TV.  Also would lower the payout for current ACC members - which is the danger. They could choose to dissolve the conference.

ACC teams have an option to dissolve the conference before SMU, Stanford, and Cal come in on June 30 as well.  

Just now, flsportsfan83 said:

The 2012 team won not only our first ever Tournament game but won 2.

It’s not even a contest. That 2012 is the best team in USF history.

Kinda but the play-in game is pretty iffy as a tournament win in my eyes. I just count it as a single win. 
 

I think this team is more fun and likely better. I also would reserve judgement. If the win the NIT then this is easily the best team. 
 

42 minutes ago, Triple B said:

Conference away games are a ***** ....

And Tulsa is quite good at home.

Got there 30 minutes early and easily parked in the YC Lot.  

Pretty good with their losses to Michigan, Indiana, and Rutgers over the past month.

4 minutes ago, bull2saintleo said:

It also probably didnt help that unlike those previous two sold out games earlier, this one was a day classes were in session.  I saw the map for parking yesterday and they definitely had to spread out the parking.

And a work day, so people come later since they had to get out of work and possibly grab a quick dinner ahead of time. 

28 minutes ago, Bull Matrix said:

Exactly. I don’t see ACC needing to take the PAC2 right now. If anything I see the ACC talking some big 12 schools to help with travel for SMU, Cal, and Stanford. Big 12 will probably end up taking the pac 2 after they get raided imo. USF to the ACC seems imminent now though 

Those two make it easier on Cal and Stanford. 

On 3/1/2024 at 11:43 AM, Cat941 said:

I don't know.  Huge numbers of CFB fans will not follow them after this breakaway occurs (if it does).  Their own institutions might not permit it.  Are they bluffing?  

I doubt that.  If both add a few more teams like FSU to the SEC, etc then they will own the biggest teams. I would not be surprised if the SEC and Big Ten move to 22 or 24 and just break away.  FSU, Clemson go to the SEC with maybe a few others added.  UNC, Duke, Virginia, Kansas all go Big Ten.  I would suspect all sports would break away and they would each carve out a deal for all sports.  

The SEC and Big Ten would pretty much own 90% of all seasonal viewership. I know the NCAA has proposed a third Division I tier, but I doubt that would soothe the Big Ten and SEC.

So it is pretty much give them what they want or they leave - and they hold the cards. I think what you hope for are some terms on those automatic bids that would allow them to fall away if certain conditions are not meant - such as requiring all of them to have 10 wins.

Just now, MaltLiquorBull said:

What a joke.  Call their bluff and let the sec and big 10 break away to their own league.  In 2 years, we can ask “ how’s that workin out for ya?”

And they will show you all the money they will make. If you think it won't work out well for them, you're not paying attention.

13 hours ago, Triple B said:

Reminds me of some In Game Threads with the premature evaluations .....

Don't they have pills for that nowadays?

Making a call on a new coach after so few games is always a bad idea.  Sometimes you will be right, but it is pretty clear at this point that Coach Abdur-Rahim is capable and adaptable.  Just took a bit to get things to mesh and find the footing.

3 hours ago, OhioBull said:

Personally, I'm sick of the Big 10 and SEC and I live in Ohio.  Ohio State fans are entitled and obnoxious, for the most part.  I honestly wouldn't mind if they spun off into the "Power 2" and let them do their thing.  The rest of college football can go back to some semblance of regional conferences and regional rivals.  The football would be great.  There are way too many good players to end up in the handful of schools that will realistically be playing in the Power 2 that will compete year in and year out for titles.  Does anyone really think Vanderbilt, Northwestern, Indiana, Illinois, and so on are going to be anything more than cannon fodder for the rest of the Power 2?  Let them have their cake and leave the rest of us alone.  Sick of it!! /Rant off.

From Ohio originally but I like the Big Ten, of course I grew up as a Michigan fan (and still am one), so it is much easier when one of your favorites is one of the juggernauts.

This is so exciting.  Hope it fuels the squad to just keep winning and get that bid.  We should be able to set a seasonal attendance record if this continues.  I bet football and basketball season ticket sales will be way up.

13 hours ago, Sk00b said:

Ask the Kennesaw State folks 

He was at Kennesaw State for four years.  There are realities of budgets and facilities.  It is a small facility at Kennesaw State.  Yeungling has 3x the capacity of that arena, much better training facilities, much better athletics offices.  Granted, both are in large metro areas, but USF is the big school in the area whereas in the Atlanta area, there are so many schools to compete with.

Not saying he will stay forever, but if he gets a pay bump, I think he stays for a bit.  Unlike with football, you can make it in a conference like the American.  Eventually I suspect he will move on if a big name comes calling and he has consistent success here.  But could see him staying for 3-4 years at least.  Enough to show USF has potential in basketball.

14 hours ago, olafberserker said:

I tend to agree assuming we are a 2 bid conference.  One concern would be losing in the conference tourney and someone other than FAU winning the auto-bid.  I'm not sure we're a 3 bid conference

If we lose the conference tourney, the ideal is to lose to FAU.  IF we could beat UAB along the way, depending on how we finish, that could clean up our one conference loss (if we can finish and win the remaining games).

1 hour ago, Cat941 said:

 

Yep. I know the Big Ten. They want AAU.  That is why they would take Miami, UNC, GT, UVA, Duke all above FSU or Clemson. Ohio State and a few others may vote to add them.  You need 70% or 13 schools.  Northwestern, Iowa, Michigan, Michigan State, Illinois, USC, Minnesota, and Indiana would all certainly vote against a non-AAU school. I suspect UCLA and Maryland would as well.  

If they can be convinced the market is worthwhile and the school is academically and athletically viable, they will vote yes on an application. 

2 minutes ago, Bull Matrix said:

What about a CBI Championship?

That's okay, but rather get to the dance.

I'd probably prefer winning the NIT over losing in round 1 but winning a single game in the tournament is better than winning the NIT.

24 minutes ago, bcgruber said:

All NCAAT Teams seasons rank ahead of anything else the CBI and NIT Temas are rated next....after that not much left to talk about.  Where this team ends up is still to be determined.  But the 2012 team is still on Top and will be until some team goes farther

I would agree with this one personally.  It would certainly be nice to have the all time highest winning percentage this year for regular season, but would be disappointing if we get bounced in round 1 or go to the NIT.

Is it better to win the NIT or lose in the first round of the Tournament?  

This would undoubtedly be the best year ever if we win the conference tourney and get to the Sweet Sixteen, but I am not holding my breath.  

Their best regular season was 1975-76 when they had a .706 winning percentage. If they win two more games, they will beat that.  Their best tournament run was in 2012. I guess the question is what do you call the best season?  Was it that?  Was it winning the CBI? 

10 minutes ago, WoolyBully said:

According to my third-grade math skills, USF has won 80% of their games this year. Although the season is not over, USF is on track for the highest percentage of games won since '75~'76. I would like to think that this is the beginning of an upward trend, and not the sporadic 'one off' successful years we've experienced in the past. Yay, USF! 

If they win 2 more games they will have their highest regular season win percentage in school history.  They'd finish 21-8 at worst - .724.  

12 minutes ago, abochner said:

We had them all the way.  Some very questionable refereeing.  Don't often see a 5 point play.  But give credit to FAU, they are a character team.  Fought hard.  Not sure why we didn't see more of Youngblood in the 2nd half.  Love our coaching.  No panic at the end.  Only weak ness on this team is in the paint.  Hard to stop teams that drive the lane.

 

There were some bad calls and some missed ones. There was some contact on a few of the presses and one score where an offensive player went through a defensive player that went straight up.  A friend of mine, a referee, messaged me while watching that that was clearly a charge because the defender stood his ground, made no motion towards the offensive player, and it was the offensive player that initiated the contact by violating the defender's space.

18 minutes ago, Cubanbull said:

Never should be used. It diminishes your win by saying your opponent is overrated. It’s a dumb chant

Issue is fans are going to do it no matter what and the committees do not take fan chants into account. Let the fans have their fun when warranted.

1 minute ago, TromBull12 said:

That overrated chant scared the life out of me because that's when FAU went on their run. I'm so glad this isn't a typical USF story. 

If you're up by 20 with 4 minutes left, you might be able to start thinking about a chant like that.

Just now, Sk00b said:

Haha let them have fun. We can't "act like we've been here before" cause most of those fans haven't.

Yeah.  Have not sold out the arena since 2001. We've mostly not been good since that time with a few blips along the way but this team has stirred excitement for the first time in a long team.

Wonderful thing is it seems we hit on both coaching hires for basketball and football.  A couple more seasons will prove it - hopefully they both stay for a bit.

Definitely need more work against the press and important to initiate the offense earlier - at least with 15 seconds left.

9 minutes ago, Cat941 said:

So nothing guaranteed past 2027?   That's 4 years and then the ACC could be at risk of not having revenue?  Or possibly vastly lower revenue?  And unable to negotiate it outside of ESPN.  Perhaps the ACC conference mates will ultimately be thanking FSU for bringing this to light.  

Of course, citizens in this great state of FL are likely going to be on the hook to pay for this all as FSU manages to drag us in.  

Lastly, the ACC filing is correct.  Hundreds of millions of dollars have been paid to FSU.  They don't care.  They want more.  

Looks like ESPN has a unilateral option that likely is just a modest bump.

The reality is the ACC bought ESPN's line about not offering a contract if they did not do a grant of rights deal.