Bruce

"but the kids that used to make up the bottom half of their recruiting classes are now going to the other four Florida schools."

I think more are going to the NCSUs, Louisvilles, and Clemsons of the world, not FAU and FIU.

I'd have UF at 7 or 8.

Seems like every team has questions this year, except for USC.

A company called Smack makes those shirts, not the school.

Some of their shirts are funny, but most are stupid.  The Crocs shirt they had was funny, this Urbanators one sucks.

They had one saying Ron Zook for Frathouse President. Hilarious.

Congrats on the sweep.

Congrats on the win, UF is falling apart down the stretch.

Yep.

I see FSU's point but they are worth having just for the halftime show.

Dawg, good post.  Back in the 60s/70... UF playing at UM helped to build that program... FSU as well, although it took some legislation to get UF to actually play FSU in Tally.

Auburn went through the same thing with UGA and Alabama.  Neither school would stoop to the level of actually playing Auburn in Auburn.  UGA would play them in Columbus (until the 70s I think) and Bama would only play them in Birmingham until 1989.  All the wins that Dye had, he is most remembered for getting Bama to come to Auburn.  

Just curious, but how could it be a "golden time" when they didn't even win an SEC title?

It's all relative.  

The 60s were the first time that UF was on TV consistently.  Spurrier won the Heisman.  Graves had winning seasons almost every year.  Bowl games were almost every year, back when it was actually a big deal to get to one.  It was the winningest decade before the 90s under spurrier.  UF was always one game away during that time period.  Mississippi and Alabama were the class of the conference.  Coach Vaught won Ole Miss 2 National Titles, 1960 and 1962 (another on in '59).  Bama won it all in 1961, 1964 and 1965.  UGA ruined UF's season in 1966.

Basically it was golden because UF was doing things it had never done before on a national level.

Kind of like if USF wins bowl games the next 3 years and then if they fall on their butt... you'll call those 3 years a golden era... because it's all relative to previous successes/disappointments.

He started out well this year but slumped last week.

I think 10-3 or 11-2.  The defense is going to be much, much improved.

A dollar if you actually know why they were there...

A. Brad Wilkerson.

All of this is now null and void as they've added the 12th game.   ;D

Dawg, I am as big of a Gator fan as you will ever find, and I can tell you that I do not consider UF in the category of "Historically Elite".  Have they been good in cycles, yes.  60s were a golden time for UF athletics... Doug Dickey coached in the 70s so that era was a waste of talent and the 80s were a combination of both.  The 90s were the glory years.

College football is cyclical.  Look at college football right now, many of the historically elite teams are not very good.  UNL, ND, Penn State and Alabama.  OU would be on my HE list... but before Stoops they had a down time of 7 years or so with Gary Gibbs and Schnelly coaching there.  Michigan was going 7-4 for a few years before 1997.  USC was AWFUL for a bunch of years before Caroll.

I think the Dawg in your name is for Cleveland, but if it is for UGA, where do you put them in the historically elite?  They have 1 national championship.

Believe me, if UF could add Texas and PSU for OOC every year, I'd be thrilled.  But it isn't happening.  There isn't a school on the planet that doesn't play one or two out of conference patsies a year.

I guess I need to register, it won't let me edit.

I believe the latest Jax contract was written so that Jax paid 250K apiece to the schools (again eventually divided by 12) over and above an average of the top 5 home concession weekends or something like that.

You'd also have a lot of teed off season ticket holders (like me) with only five home games.  I cannot think of a single big time program playing a five home game schedule...ever.

That money from Jax to host UF-UGA is split 12 ways in the long run as it is a conference game (treated like a bowl game).  Neither UF or UGA makes more off the game than the other.  And you have travel expenses for both schools.  They make money but it's not a cash cow.  There is no title sponsor or anything like that.

I blame FSU, they should have just joined the SEC and UF could go play whoever.

;D

They do need the 6th game to "break even" but the overage they get after the break even point on that sixth game is very high.  I'm not sure if it is online but the UAA does send out an annual report every year (includes all sports) to boosters that is pretty interesting to look at.

That OSU-Texas series will be very fun to watch.  I think Tressel is in for a few tough years.  Meanwhile this might be Brown's best shot at OU.

I don't think Bama has been to USM.  So that's an annual home game for Bama.

When it goes to 12 games, I think you will see UF play UM two out of every 6 years and then play someone nationally (maybe USC again) the other four years.  I'd rather play UM every year, but I understand the schedule being way too regional as it is.

Schools that are in a similar position as the Big 10 schools (OSU, Mich, Penn State, etc) as far as not having out of conference rivals include...

Tennessee (Have played ND, Miami, UCLA and Syracuse) over the last few years.

Alabama (UCLA)

OU... Texas used to be an out of conference game for them, but OU only had 6/7 conference games in the Big 8 every year.  Texas was in the SWC.  OU usually plays a home and home with someone decent.

Auburn - Auburn is the one school that comes to mind that never seems to play anyone out of conference.  And they have Bama in conference.  But their AD has said that they need SEVEN games to break even... They played USC and GT when we had the 12 game schedules.

Is it football season yet?  

And in those two years where they played away from Jax did the mighty Gators beef up their OOC schedule like UGA did with Clemson? Of course not. Their OOC schedule outside of FSU was Southern Miss, Houston, Northern Illinois and New Mexico State, all in Gainesville.

That is true, but Jax got the Jags and decided to start the renovation in Nov of 1993...about 11 months before the game the next year.  UGA and Clemson both dropped their openers (paying big $$) and scheduled eachother, natural rivalry.  They had something worked out.  I'm not sure what big time program you expected UF to just pick up that wasn't already booked.

Dawg, good post but does OSU have an OUT OF CONFERECE RIVAL they have to play each year?!?

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!

So they CAN go home and home with someone different every year if they want.  They don't have an FSU.  One thing OSU did that I like is playing at Cincy.  That's a home game for them, like UF playing at USF.

This isn't long division.

"So basicly, UF is bad enough at managing their finances to not being able to play away from home and not fall in the red."

Or, UF makes a killing, has incredible booster support, and great facilites so why turn money away?

UF is one of the very few athletic programs that makes money.

My point exactly.  94 the UF-UGA game was in Gainesville, the 95 UF-UGA game was in Athens.  So they could host Clemson in 94 and go to Clemson in 95. 03 was a 12 game year.  

To throw some more facts in there...

Since '00 Michigan has played 3 out of conference games a year (not counting Pigskin games).

Two of the 3 OOC opponents a year have been schools from the following list...

CMU

Houston

WMU

Utah (scheduled before they were good)

Miami, OH

WMU again

Bowling Green

Rice

Amazingly, UF has played similar schools:

Marshall

Southern Miss

Directional Louisiana schools

UCF

MTSU, etc.

Mich doesn't play ND every year.  When they didn't play ND they played a home and home with UCLA and one with Washington.  They played ND and Washington in the same year in 2002, when there was a 12th game.

So Mich plays ND/Wash/UCLA... UF plays FSU.

http://www.mgoblue.com/document_display.cfm?document_id=3091

Honestly, this shouldn't be that hard to comprehend.  Michigan hasn't played less than 6 home games in a year since WW2.

Michigan can play ND and whever every year because all of their other rivals are in conference.  They have also hosted a few of the Pigskin Classic games, giving them seven home games.  SEC schools do not have that luxury.  

Anything else?  

Really, like who?  The games with Clemson were with a 12 game schedule.

UGA hasn't travelled for a non GT out of conference game since the SEC went to an 8 game schedule in 1992.  

Maybe in 94/95 when UF-UGA went home and home?