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From another thread:

 

 

USF also added special teams coaching duties to Assistant Head Coach/Linebackers Coach Raymond Woodie’s assignments and elevated Joe Kinnan’s role as senior offensive consultant to a full-time staff position.

 

That's also in the 2015 football prospectus released by the school.  Those are the actual words from it actually.  Kinnan is full tim staff and senior offensive consultant.  I don't think he'd come on board to have not say....  imho 

 

Got to feel a little bad for Kennard ... Are there any opportunities at all for him to get on field, non special teams ... barring rash of injuries?

Hey... I checked out the offense from the spring and he'll actually be on the field a lot on 1st and second downs.  The fullback is a H-back and subs in for one of the slots when they run.  They also do the same with TEs... He'll see carries too.  He runs too good not to.  He just has to hold the ball this year.

 

This isn't a passing spread... it's a run first spread.  It's more Auburn than Mizzou

 

I attended a few of the open spring practices and the final scrimmage and I remember seeing him of the field quite a bit.  I'm not sure the spread we run is exactly like Auburns but they are pretty similar. 

 

 

Does not sound good...

 

Collin Sherwin â€@USFCollin 1h1 hour ago

A roster change forthcoming to USF Football. Not good for Bulls, but V5 policy is protect players until it’s official. Gonna hurt though.

 

 

V5 needs a new policy...protect readers from dreadful uncertainty until they can actually report something...clearly we deserve no protection from worthless noise...

 

and they want to make that a paid site.  

I'm guessing some 4th string walk-on we've never heard of.  VooDoo is just trying to get clicks.

I'm inclined to agree with you.  I don't think it is that important of player.  I think they would have said starter if it were a starter, so I honestly don't think it's like a  Mack or Flowers because there is no doubt that voodoo5 would not have held it. 

I would guess Harris or Bethel...pure speculation

Bethel isn't on the roster.  It wouldnt' be him.  He doesn't arrive on campus until next week so it would not be him.

 

 

 

 

 

We have some skilled players and we have a lot of athletes. I think our team is load like the year we went into FSU and won. Of course, we lack overall confidence because it's been a while since we've really won anything.

 

 

 

What is with this board and thinking this team is similar in talent or depth of roster to our team in 2009.

 

I posted this somewhere else, but people forget that 2009 team had NFL talent all over the field specifically on defense. Nate Allen, Jason Pierre-Paul, George Selvie, Terrell McClain, Tyrone McKenzie, Jerome Murphy, Mistral Raymond, Kion Wilson, Jacquian Williams, etc. Then on offense we had BJ Daniels, Carlton Mitchell, Dontavia Bogan. 

 

In the AAC, develop your players and don't let coaching get in the way and you're bound to have a pretty good team. 

 

 

This team likely has better overall talent than that team but that team was peppered with experience, key talent, it had leaders, it had confidence because they had been there.  This team is different, this team is building towards that. It is a team being constructed from scratch by a coach who didn't got trash from the previous coach.  I dont think anyone thought so many guys from that team would be good but the individual talent statement is valid.  That team was a better team in a system that had been here for years.  Oh, Dontavia Bogan was not that good.  I'm not sure where he became a USF great, but he was average. Mitchell was indeed better but do I think some of the young guys have more athletic ability and talent on the roster now?  Yes.  I loved the Leavitt teams but I'm not going to pretend they were super talented.  They were just like the coach, gritty and mean on defense.  Offense has always been a work in progress at USF.

 

 

Wait a second... You're telling me that 2009 defense which I think just about every single player mentioned has not only played an NFL down, some been an NFL starter, or an NFL pro-bowler was not super TALENTED? Give me a break dude. Forgot to add Kayvon Webster and Sam Barrington to the list above. That's 11 players on that defense that have played in the NFL. 

 

Dontavia Bogan was not a USF great. He was a decent college football WR. He was good enough for an NFL team to take a look at him whether it was on the practice squad or not. Put it into perspective. We are talking about comparing the 2009 team to this one now. Bogan compared to what we've seen minus Andre Davis the last 2-3 years Bogan was fantastic. 

 

Helps a lot to have a QB like BJ Daniels who was super talented too.

 

I'm certainly not claiming USF was ever the most talented team on the field or ever one of the most talented rosters in college football, but to think this team right now has more talent than our 2009 team is comical. If we have this conversation in 3 years and looking back and it makes sense fine, I'm willing to bet a lot of $ its not, but right now comparing what we have to previous collegiate all-americans and 5+ year NFL veterans is foolish especially coming off the last two seasons. 

 

I will say we have more talent at the RB position than we did in 2009. Our Oline is an absolute mess until it's not, and our offense in general is an absolute mess until it's not. 

 

Did you actually read my comment?  It doesn't appear you did based on your response.  You read a sentence or so and just put whatever you wanted to in your response whether I said it or not.  And almost every single guy mentioned... you mean like 5... well yeah I'm saying that this team on a whole has more individual talent and is likely much deeper.  This season will demonstrate that.  I've loved the past USF teams, until Holtz, but I think our fans are misremembering and attributing super human qualities to those Leavitt teams.

Gut feeling is it's Flowers, because of the Woulard transfer.

Doubt it is Flowers.  My buddy said he saw him and a bunch of football players goofing off and having fun tonight.  Doesn't sound like a guy who is in trouble.  

The way this story dropped reminds me of how my mother in law gives her family news.  She calls to let you know something happened but tells you she has to call you back once she can say what it was.  I always thought that to be an awkward practice and rather annoying.  I also hoped it was only limited to her.  Obviously it's not.  

@JWhidden3 No clue. Pretty open secret for awhile now though.

I think it will be someone already suspended.  Since the officially lifted the suspension of Nigel Harris, I'm going to say the DE Demetrius Hill has been officially kicked off the team.

 

 

We might have a fighting chance against FSU if he plays. 

 

 

There should be a rule that when your starting QB from the previous year transfers to another school, you can bring in an immediately eligible transferee.    

 

He has never played 1 down of college ball and was falling on the depth chart at ucla, I'm curious as to what  makes you believe he will give us a fighting chance against fsu?  That perplexes me.

 

Have you watched any USF games the last few years?

 

The QBs on our roster have been terrible, to say the least. For the last two years Woulard got to watch and work with one of the best QBs in college football.  

 

It is precisely because I have watched usf games that I'm curious as to why I believe he would give us a fighting chance against fsu?  That has nothing to do with any qb on our roster.  Woulard has done absolutely nothing to demonstrate to me that he can win a game against anyone.  He's not shown anyone that since he's been in college.  Our qbs aside, what makes you think he can play so good we give florida state a run?  That literally has nothing to do with our current qbs.  I'm asking specifically about Woulard who did not progress at all at ucla and didnt appear to learn very much from Hundley.  

We might have a fighting chance against FSU if he plays. 

 

 

There should be a rule that when your starting QB from the previous year transfers to another school, you can bring in an immediately eligible transferee.    

He has never played 1 down of college ball and was falling on the depth chart at ucla, I'm curious as to what  makes you believe he will give us a fighting chance against fsu?  That perplexes me.

 

 

 

We have some skilled players and we have a lot of athletes. I think our team is load like the year we went into FSU and won. Of course, we lack overall confidence because it's been a while since we've really won anything.

 

 

 

What is with this board and thinking this team is similar in talent or depth of roster to our team in 2009.

 

I posted this somewhere else, but people forget that 2009 team had NFL talent all over the field specifically on defense. Nate Allen, Jason Pierre-Paul, George Selvie, Terrell McClain, Tyrone McKenzie, Jerome Murphy, Mistral Raymond, Kion Wilson, Jacquian Williams, etc. Then on offense we had BJ Daniels, Carlton Mitchell, Dontavia Bogan. 

 

In the AAC, develop your players and don't let coaching get in the way and you're bound to have a pretty good team. 

 

This team likely has better overall talent than that team but that team was peppered with experience, key talent, it had leaders, it had confidence because they had been there.  This team is different, this team is building towards that. It is a team being constructed from scratch by a coach who didn't got trash from the previous coach.  I dont think anyone thought so many guys from that team would be good but the individual talent statement is valid.  That team was a better team in a system that had been here for years.  Oh, Dontavia Bogan was not that good.  I'm not sure where he became a USF great, but he was average. Mitchell was indeed better but do I think some of the young guys have more athletic ability and talent on the roster now?  Yes.  I loved the Leavitt teams but I'm not going to pretend they were super talented.  They were just like the coach, gritty and mean on defense.  Offense has always been a work in progress at USF.

 

 

Didnt we lose 3 starters on OL??? I know Gibbons is a talent but he has never played college ball....lose best center in usf history imo

I don't think anyone doubts Reiter is indeed a loss, what people question is whether Williams and Q were actual losses because they both had some horrible moments.  Q had to be moved to Guard because he couldn't play tackle and Williams was just awful.  

 

 

If there were somebody better on the roster, don't you think they would have been playing? That's what's scary.

 

Well no... The other guys were all really young. They were all freshman and I don't think we would have been better served playing one of those really young guys.  That's how you ruin Tackles.  Knox redshirted as he should and they kept Hall back until he got his weight under control.  They have actually handled the offensive line pretty well considering what he had.  I think the talent level has gone up with the guys coming in and the guys who weren't ready last season should be ready this season.  If spring ball and summer workouts are any indication, those boys took the task to heart.  Guys are looking great.  Now lets see how they play now that they finally look the part.

If the QB and reciever play improves, I say we go bowling. There are really to many question marks with all the change on the team but if you can't get excited about the potential...I don't know what to tell ya ;-)

GO BULLS!!

There is a ton of potential on the team.  Perhaps as much as we've ever had in terms of individual talent.  They just have to play as a team.  Just go out out and play fast and hard but with discipline.  I feel the key to this season will rest in Flowers ability to move the offense.  If he can move the offense, everything changes.  I also don't think we will know pretty early on in camp.  If he has improved even more from spring ball, I'll feel better about our chances.  I normally don't put any weight into games like FAMU, but given the past 4 years I'm going to base a lot of what I think Flowers can do based on that game.  

Didnt we lose 3 starters on OL??? I know Gibbons is a talent but he has never played college ball....lose best center in usf history imo

I don't think anyone doubts Reiter is indeed a loss, what people question is whether Williams and Q were actual losses because they both had some horrible moments.  Q had to be moved to Guard because he couldn't play tackle and Williams was just awful.  

I recall when he signed they said he would not make it to campus until August because of the way summer sessions ran at his school.  I'll just wait and see, I think he makes it.

 

I don’t see how we haven’t gotten better.

We have gotten better until we do ...

 

 

Conclusion:

I’m not sure why there is so much doubt. Memphis had a 3-9 record in 2013, but bounced back in 2014 with a 10-3 record and 7-1 in the AAC. Hell even last year, 4 of our losses were by less than 12 points. I know a loss is a loss, 12 points is not much and those 4 losses we beat ourselves. I’ve said all I can in this blog. I’m going to devote my blog time back to my Gators. Bulls Fans are getting too depressing for me. lol I became a Bulls fans because they had a lot of Haitians on their team, they are from the state of Florida amd the fans were are devoted and funny. Dont let these past few years change you, It’s going to be alright. Sit back and enjoy a better season.

 

Other than the dearth of Haitians on the team, nothing has changed ...

 

The amount of talent on the team has changed

IMO this team will be good enough to go 6-6 or 4-8. And IMO it wont come down to talent, skill, or any of that. (not even coaching) Its going to come down to leadership in the lockerroom, and heart. If we have true leaders step up that are hungry to win and are hungry to be great and are tired of losing, that attitude can be infectious. 

 

THIS is what we had in the Leavitt years. That underdog shock the world, we dont care what anyone says we are we know who we are mentality. Our team DARED to be GREAT.

 

That will be the determining factor. LEADERS. Hopefully we have some in the lockerroom

Dude you make me want to jump suit up and run into a wall! You are hired!  This is absolutely how I feel also!  This is the one thing I'm banking on this season because I think we have some of those guys, especially on the defensive side of the ball. 

 

Funny that we've sucked the last couple of years and UCF still can't dismantle us with their best teams on record. I don't care about the A. Woulard situation either. If Taggart can't win with the guys he brought in, then what difference is it going to make waiting another year for Woulard? Unfortunately, Coach Taggart hasn't shown a penchant in the coaching acumen department on gameday to date - which leads me to believe we will have more of the same this season (although I'm praying for some W's). If we suck again in a conference that is watered down, send him packing. Plain and simple.

I think the primary reason for letting Taggs stay after a 5 win season is not paying another coaches contract who isnt here, so that if we do let him go eventually, we can afford a decent replacement

 

It's funny, this is the first team since that fiasco that was 2011 that I thought is capable of winning 6 or more games and everyone else is picking them to finish below .500.  I'm not sure what to make of that.  

 

 

Props to OP for putting it out there, pretty good/conservative assessment IMO. I definitely agree with JimSig on the O line effects. Less rushed passes leads to less dropped passes, so I think our WRs will be improved as a unit. I'd only differ from yours with WR/TEs (better): we lose McFarland but gain Dillon and Pope. We lose Davis but have Adams, McCants, and LeGree who are all athletic, and also add Whitehead who seems to be a pretty good possession receiver.

 

Maybe will differ on the QB, too. I do think Flowers' creativity in a spread might make for a quality improvement.

 

Everyone is forgetting our potentially best WR on the roster (4 star, 6'3" 200lb Ryeshene Bronson )

you're right, good catch

 

People forget Rodney Adams is a former 4 star, too.  I guess people don't expect him to improve at all.  I for one think he's ready to make a jump.  Also that McCants is back to 100% and along with A.J. Legree and whichever of the new guys breaks through, we should have a much better WR corps.  I don't understand why people assume young guys won't get better or mature.  

I can agree with most of the original post... but I just can't agree with the QB thing.  Mike White ran like he had bricks tied to his feet and was an inconsistent passer.  I just don't think he was very good and it would have taken him 4 years before he was average.  I think the production from the QB position will go up because Flowers can actually put pressure on the defense.  He can force them to defend his legs which opens things up for everyone else.

WR... all we lost really was Dre in my opinion.  Welch?  meeeh   I think the WR play actually improves with the speed and talent coming in and back.  Especially knowing who we just got in as a late addition to the class.  We're straight.

 

It is not HD TV keeping fans away. Ratings per conference for last season were flat for everybody except the SEC, who's ratings numbers actually went down.

 

Which makes sense because the SEC attendance went up about 2K per game ...

 

How does that makes sense? Unless you're implying that the drop in ratings were the extra 2000 people per game which wouldn't actually affect ratings in any noticeable way.  There isn't a correlation between attendance and ratings.  

While I love coach Leavitt and never thought he should have been fired, he was.  I've moved on.  I still support him no matter where he goes but I've moved on.  I hated Holtz and now this season I'll see what I think about Taggart.  I never expected anything the first two years because the team basically sucked and the players attitudes did improve, it takes 3 years when you're at the bottom.

I think USF fans are living in yesteryear to much.  A man that lives in the past is dead in the present. 

No... he has no place here.  I mean unless you want to be convict U.  I don't think we are in where we should take him.  He by the time he can contribute Woulard will be available and so will Kean.  I like our situation moving forward from this season, Flowers will take his bumps this season but we don't need that guy.