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7 hours ago, Brad said:

When do we expect to hear the movement among the assistants to and from USF?

I'm assuming that he is keeping a lot of his Texas staff.  Reason is, they said his Staff budget will go up after the buyout ends.

The teams that should be worried are the out of state teams that rely on 3* florida kids

54 minutes ago, charsibb said:

Not even then.

I'm not convinced yet that Strong can win without Hurtt's recruiting

I hope to be convinced very quickly!

 

I agree, but he won't need it this upcoming season.

4 minutes ago, Mizzou said:

So you're saying I should look at race as a consideration for a job? 

I'm saying, when its unfairly difficult for 1 race to get a certain job you might want to support those trying to help instead of hating on them.  They're already going uphill just to get the interview.

45 minutes ago, BJ said:

I'm sorry, but do you guys see what I see?  Socks and sandles.  Hopping off this bandwagon...

Dude, socks and slides are appropriate winter gear for Florida. 

2 minutes ago, Mizzou said:

Tony Dungy views everything through the prism of race and is only interested in the advancement of black coaches.

Why shouldn't he be interested in the advancement of black coaches?  Why aren't you?

44 minutes ago, Gismo said:

With time those players will grow into coaches. If most coaches are in their 50s and 60s, they were college players in the 70s and 80s. 

Some web searching shows that in 1970 a little more than 30% of NFL players were black. Today it is more than 70%. 

 

Its 2016, I was born in the 80s. I just don't see race as an issue the way it was in the history books and the way many bring it up. I see black coaches being hired at Texas and Texas A&M when I attended Texas A&M. I see USF hire Taggart and he is successful and hired at Oregon. And Charlie Strong is USFs number one target. Is it any surprise I witness that and don't think race is a barrier today? To me those hires are evidence that past barriers from racial prejudice are not present today. That will be my last word on the subject.

In 1985, 52% of NFL players were black.  That was 31 years ago with average player age of around 25 years old.  That would make the average NFL player in 1985 in his mid 50's now.  The numbers just don't add up.  Think about this.  You can probably name every single black head coaching candidate for all schools in FBS.  I wonder if you could name all the white ones.

*edit - Just to note, I believe you when you say you don't see race as an issue.  I just don't think you understand that the old "guys" in charge still do.

20 minutes ago, Bulls&Hogs said:

Tyrone Willingham?

Strong will get another one, as would Sumlin and Shaw if they got canned.  While a definite problem, you can't ignore the fact that a lot of them got mid to low-tier jobs and did awful.  That's going to be hard for anybody to get another HC offer immediately.

I mean what did Mike London, Mike Locksley or Curtis Johnson do to "deserve" another chance?

That is another part of the problem.  Most of the time, they are given less of a chance to even succeed because they have to take the crap jobs just to get a chance in the first place.  I think the only exceptions I remember are Charlie Strong and Ty Willingham.  However in both cases those schools were near an all time low.

1 minute ago, Gismo said:

15 head coaches in what league? 

More than 90% of FBS coaches are white.  In a place where only around 40% of the players are.

17 minutes ago, Gismo said:

Total ********. Everything with Dungy these days seems to be about race. Whether that is the media or Dungy, I do not know, but the only time I hear the mans name anymore it is tied to something about race. When Texas A&M and Texas have black coaches can we agree that racial prejudice in hiring is no longer a barrier for aspiring black coaches? That is the truth of the matter. Giving endorsements to coaches just because they are black, a race based endorsement instead of a merit based endorsement, is biased, and diminishes the accomplishments of those coaches. If every black coach gets Dungy's endorsement, then the endorsement has no meaning. If you want a character based society stop placing race into every discussion. 

Race is not a barrier?  There's around 15 or less black head coaches.  Only 1 black head coach that has lost his job has ever been given a second chance.  Easy for you to say that race isn't a barrier.

35 minutes ago, Gismo said:

Why does it always have to be about race?

You can count the number of black head coaches that have been given a second chance on 1 finger.  I don't think race can be ignored.

1 minute ago, theman123 said:

For comparison, I think LSUs salary pool is about $5.8 million.. 

Just a number though.  For a big name they could go back to the $$$ men.

2 minutes ago, Bullrush33 said:

It was just reported the Univ of ORegon has $ 4 million for assistan coach pool.  You imagine he cannot spend more than half for a d coordinator.

They could if Taggert isncalling the plays.  BUT, I doubt they will.  Anything close to $2million per year would make him the highest paid assistant in the ncaa.  Arranda just got 1.8mil base at LSU.

I like Strong, but I am conservative on his potential.  If USF was already a P5 team Im not so sure Id be happy to get him but under current circumstances he appears to be best option.

2 minutes ago, Bear said:

More fans to the games... winning the conference... show that we are a successful (or potentially successful) program

 

Another way to do that, is for the playing field to be more fair

Its hard to make the playing field fair when its the P5's field and they would like it even more lopsided.  Maybe USF can lobby the state to push UF or FSU to assist in going ACC or SEC.

1 minute ago, Joe said:

Geez. He took over a really bad Louisville team and went to a BCS bowl with them. Bridgewater wasn't the only player on those teams.

Texas was in bad shape when he got there. No one wanted that  Job because the shape it was in. The majority of this years starters were freshmen and sophomores. Herman got some great young talent, and had Herman not been out there I'd bet he would have got another year at Texas.

He'd thrive here. 

 

 

 

Im not saying Strong couldnt be good but I would be careful touting his credentials on paper as a reason why.  Hurtt brought most of that talent to Louisville including Teddy.  Hurtt was a shady recruiter who had the S Florida ties not Strong.  And you and i could recruit players to an Urban Meyer coached team.

Just now, Bear said:

Better than status quo

 

G5 need to lobby unanimously for one guaranteed spot

 

NY6 otherwise, is irrelevant  

I think USF would spend time more wisely b trying to get in any P5 conference.  Whatever it takes.

Larry Scott would be a huge blunder.  Let FAU make that mistake.

49 minutes ago, Gismo said:

Need to get rid of the playoff committee and replace it with objective metrics. 

For one, it should be only conference champions. 

Hell, just simple, take the 4 conference champions with the best record... then have some kind of tie breaker for when records are the same. 

8 teams.  5 P5 winners and 3 at large.  Solves most issues.  The P5 doesnt care about non P5 winners.  So neither does NCAA.

18 minutes ago, SoFlo All Day said:

Comparing Antigua to Strong is apples and oranges. Recruiting dynamics between Basketball and Football are completely different. Also, if that doesn't convince you take a look at Strong's teams at Louisville. Half of his 2011 class went to the NFL...including a guy named Teddy Bridgewater who he was able to recruit away from UM. That's the type of stuff we need. 

Bridgewater decommitted from Miami when Shannon was fired.  Not because Strong has some magical recruiting ability.

So Strong was average before bridgewater at Louisville and left when Bridgewater left.  Terrible without Bridgewater at Texas.

Not that glowing imo.