BullsFanInTX Posted December 9, 2006 Group: Member Topic Count: 222 Content Count: 4,210 Reputation: 647 Days Won: 8 Joined: 08/17/2006 Posted December 9, 2006 I was looking at the All BE team, and it seemed USF was under represented, so I decided to count how many each team had on the first and second team.  What is wrong with this picture folks.  We are woefully under represented on the all BE teams.UL -   12 players on First and Second teamWVU - 9RU -   14USF -  3UC -   6Pitt -   5Conn - 2SU -   3I understand the top 3 teams getting most of the players, but come on, we weren't that far behind.  And what about UC and Pitt getting twice the players on that we did.  The bottom teams that won a grand total of ONE conference game each had basically the same amount of players we did.  Are they saying they have the same talent as we do.  I thought we could have had more picked especially on defense, seeing we gave up less than 300 yards a game, and were one of the top teams in the country in that category.  I thought this was a big slight.  Not to mention we finished better than 4 teams in conference, so naturally we should have more, especially the 1 win teams.  And another thing.  How does Syracuse get 3 2nd team defensive players, and we get one Stephen Nicholas.  Someone explain that to me. OFFENSEPos. Player School Cl. Ht. Wt. Hometown/High School/Junior College WR Harry Douglas Louisville Jr. 5-11 170 Jonesboro, Ga./Jones WR Derek Kinder Pittsburgh Jr. 6-1 205 Albion, N.Y./Albion OT George Bussey Louisville So. 6-4 298 Louisville, Ky./Western OT Renardo Foster Louisville Sr. 6-7 325 Ripley, Tenn./Ripley OT Jeremy Zuttah Rutgers Jr. 6-4 290 Edison, N.J./J.P. Stevens OG Kurt Quarterman Louisville Sr. 6-5 328 Albany, Ga./Westover OG Jeremy Sheffey West Virginia Sr. 6-3 290 Catlettsburg, Ky./Boyd County C Dan Mozes West Virginia Sr. 6-4 290 Washington, Pa./Washington TE Clark Harris Rutgers Sr. 6-6 260 Manahawkin, N.J./Southern Regional QB Patrick White West Virginia So. 6-2 190 Daphne, Ala./Daphne RB Ray Rice Rutgers So. 5-9 195 New Rochelle, N.Y./New Rochelle RB Steve Slaton West Virginia So. 5-10 190 Levittown, Pa./Conwell-Egan K Art Carmody Louisville Jr. 5-9 180 Shreveport, La./Loyola College KR/PR Ean Randolph USF Fr. 5-9 175 Plant City, Fla./Durant DEFENSEPos. Player School Cl. Ht. Wt. Hometown/High School/Junior College DL Terrill Byrd Cincinnati So. 6-1 285 Cincinnati, Ohio/Colerain DL **Amobe Okoye Louisville Sr. 6-2 305 Huntsville, Ala./Lee DL Eric Foster Rutgers Jr. 6-2 260 Homestead, Fla./Homestead DL Keilein Dykes West Virginia Jr. 6-4 290 Youngstown, Ohio/Chaney LB Kevin McCullough Cincinnati Sr. 6-2 240 Hudson, Ohio/Hudson/Grand Rapids LB H.B. Blades Pittsburgh Sr. 6-0 240 Plantation, Fla./Plantation LB Stephen Nicholas USF Sr. 6-3 225 Jacksonville, Fla./Lee CB William Gay Louisville Sr. 5-11 184 Tallahassee, Fla./Rickards CB Darrelle Revis Pittsburgh Jr. 6-0 200 Aliquippa, Pa./Aliquippa CB Trae Williams USF Jr. 5-10 185 Plant City, Fla./Durant S Dominic Ross Cincinnati Sr. 6-0 200 Marion, Ohio/Harding S **Eric Wicks West Virginia Sr. 6-1 210 Pittsburgh, Pa./Perry P Joe Radigan Rutgers Sr. 6-5 220 Hoboken, N.J./Hoboken ** - unanimous selection 2006 ALL-BIG EAST SECOND TEAMOFFENSEPos. Player School Cl. Ht. Wt. Hometown/High School/Junior College WR Mario Urrutia Louisville So. 6-6 228 Louisville, Ky./Fern Creek WR Darius Reynaud West Virginia Jr. 5-10 200 Luling, La./Hahnville OT Pedro Sosa Rutgers Jr. 6-5 295 Union City, N.J./Union Hill OT Ryan Stanchek West Virginia So. 6-4 280 Cincinnati, Ohio/LaSalle OG Trevor Canfield Cincinnati So. 6-5 300 Cincinnati, Ohio/Western Hills OG Cameron Stephenson Rutgers Sr. 6-5 305 Inglewood, Calif./Hawthorne/LA Harbor C Eric Wood Louisville So. 6-4 297 Cincinnati, Ohio/Elder TE Brent Celek Cincinnati Sr. 6-4 260 Cincinnati, Ohio/LaSalle QB Brian Brohm Louisville Jr. 6-4 226 Louisville, Ky./Trinity RB Donald Brown II Connecticut Fr. 5-10 207 Atlantic Highlands, N.J./Red Bank Catholic RB Brian Leonard Rutgers Sr. 6-2 235 Gouverneur, N.Y./Gouverneur K Jeremy Ito Rutgers Jr. 5-11 185 Redlands, Calif./Redlands KR/PR Vaughn Rivers West Virginia Jr. 5-9 170 Pittsburgh, Pa./Perry DEFENSEPos. Player School Cl. Ht. Wt. Hometown/High School/Junior College DL Rhema Fuller Connecticut Sr. 6-2 266 Cocoa, Fla./Cocoa DL Joe Clermond Pittsburgh Jr. 6-3 260 Tampa, Fla./Chamberlain DL Ramel Meekins Rutgers Sr. 6-0 275 Westwood, N.J./Westwood DL Jamaal Westerman Rutgers So. 6-3 252 Brampton, Ontario/Notre Dame DL Jameel McClain Syracuse Jr. 6-1 252 Philadelphia, Pa./George Washington LB Malik Jackson Louisville Jr. 6-2 231 Dunwoody, Ga./Dunwoody LB Devraun Thompson Rutgers Sr. 5-11 220 Piscataway, N.J./Piscataway LB Kelvin Smith Syracuse Sr. 6-2 233 New Hempstead, N.Y./North Rockland CB Mike Mickens Cincinnati So. 6-0 165 Huber Heights, Ohio/Wayne CB Tanard Jackson Syracuse Sr. 6-1 193 Silver Spring, Md./Bullis School S Brandon Sharp Louisville Sr. 5-11 195 Jacksonville, Fla./Bolles S Ron Girault Rutgers Jr. 5-11 195 Spring Valley, N.Y./St. Joseph's (Montvale) S Courtney Greene Rutgers So. 6-1 205 New Rochelle, N.Y./New Rochelle P Adam Graessle Pittsburgh Sr. 6-4 225 Dublin, Ohio/Dublin Coffman
Rabbi Bull Posted December 9, 2006 Group: Member Topic Count: 110 Content Count: 3,103 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/14/2002 Posted December 9, 2006 trae williams made the list as well, along with stephen nicholas
Bull Dozer Posted December 9, 2006 Group: Member Topic Count: 343 Content Count: 13,697 Reputation: 2,041 Days Won: 45 Joined: 09/04/2006 Posted December 9, 2006 Im not surprised by this at all really. Can you name me some players that should be on there but arent and state a good case against whose ahead of them on the team? However if things keep going the way they have been you can expect more and more bulls to be showing up on these teams every year.
Greg Auman Posted December 9, 2006 Group: Member Topic Count: 28 Content Count: 1,913 Reputation: 58 Days Won: 2 Joined: 08/12/2004 Posted December 9, 2006 You can make a case for Moffitt, but aside from him, not sure who else was really compelling to make the team.
BullsFanInTX Posted December 9, 2006 Group: Member Topic Count: 222 Content Count: 4,210 Reputation: 647 Days Won: 8 Joined: 08/17/2006 Author Posted December 9, 2006 I guess my question is how do worse teams and in some cases much worse teams end up with as many or more players.  Also, you have 2 teams nearly identical, talent wise Rutgers and USF, one has 14 players and one has 3. Are we saying all 14 players RU got on made a compelling case to be there any more than our players did. Both had very good D's, Rutgers a little better. But to the tune of 14-3 better???
Bull Dozer Posted December 9, 2006 Group: Member Topic Count: 343 Content Count: 13,697 Reputation: 2,041 Days Won: 45 Joined: 09/04/2006 Posted December 9, 2006 I guess my question is how do worse teams and in some cases much worse teams end up with as many or more players. Also, you have 2 teams nearly identical, talent wise Rutgers and USF, one has 14 players and one has 3. Are we saying all 14 players RU got on made a compelling case to be there any more than our players did. Both had very good D's, Rutgers a little better. But to the tune of 14-3 better???Question, can you give me numbers stating the RU players dont deseve to be on the team over USF players? Honestly i see nothing wrong with the team selections that i see,, and other than the "OMG WE NEVAR GET TEH RESPEKT" crowd i dont see how anyone else could think we should have more players on the team than we do. Basically if you cant name specific players that should be there and why they should be there over the current player dont complain.
bulls96go Posted December 9, 2006 Group: Member Topic Count: 724 Content Count: 10,219 Reputation: 2 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/17/2002 Posted December 9, 2006 in 2007 we will earn our respect
MikeG Posted December 9, 2006 Group: Moderator Topic Count: 2,044 Content Count: 20,278 Reputation: 4,953 Days Won: 222 Joined: 07/17/2003 Posted December 9, 2006 look at the class ear a lot of these guys are -- Rutgers was senior heavy as were a few others. We are pretty young and where we aren'[t young, there are some studs in the league.we'll get more guys as we get older, build depth, and gain reputation
The Sheriff Posted December 9, 2006 Group: Member Topic Count: 723 Content Count: 6,802 Reputation: 842 Days Won: 19 Joined: 12/24/2001 Posted December 9, 2006 I would say Mike Jenkins deserves to be at least a 2nd teamer. His shut down ability is why Trae is where he is... they threw at Trae all season avoiding Mike and he made plays. I still don't think Ben Moffitt was slighted... he got exposed pretty bad in one outing this season (although he played great the rest of the season). Stephen Nicholas was by far the monster player on our defense. He will be sorely missed.
MikeG Posted December 9, 2006 Group: Moderator Topic Count: 2,044 Content Count: 20,278 Reputation: 4,953 Days Won: 222 Joined: 07/17/2003 Posted December 9, 2006 Terry-- would you agree that St. Louis should have gotten some attention as well? He has been the silent but deadly bookend to Snake. He reminds me a little of Harry Carson sometimes in his workman like approach.
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