Bull-by-Marriage Posted June 12, 2013 Group: Bull Backers Topic Count: 355 Content Count: 4,741 Reputation: 127 Days Won: 3 Joined: 02/25/2004 Share Posted June 12, 2013 You can't tell me that forcing BJD to become a pocket passer helped us in any way, shape, or form. You can't tell anyone that BJ was forced to become a pocket passer. If you think that he was, then you know very little about football. We didn't run as many wild ass plays as we used to, but he was far from forced to be a pocket passer. Really? Did'nt Skip Holtz say he wanted BJ to be more of a pocket passer in 2010?? Pretty positive that he did. Without even trying to search I've already found this. I'm sure there's more. http://tampabay.sbnation.com/south-florida-bulls/2011/8/29/2390677/can-b-j-daniels-shed-the-potential-label "Holtz has also told us they don't want the quarterback leading the team in rushing yards like it did in all of Grothe's full seasons, and again in Daniels' freshman year. Holtz and offensive coordinator Todd Fitch can tweak the offense to make him more comfortable throwing the ball (which they did after his disastrous game in Morgantown), but there's only so much they can do if they don't want him running wild." I'm not saying this is why Skip was canned. He was canned because he lost the team, the defensive "bend don't break" scheme was a total failure, and went 1-16 in conference play. What I am saying is that now, with real coaches, BJD will progress more than he ever did with Skip. In 09 BJ had 13.4 RAPG, 10 9.3 RAPG, 11 12.0 RAPG, and 12 11.5 RAPG. Yes, Skip wanted to make BJ a pocket passer, but he never actually did it. Don't get me wrong Skip sucked while he was here and there are a violation ton of things to blame him for, but he never actually made BJ a pocket passer, he tried, but the stats just don't show that he ever actually did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hem Posted June 12, 2013 Group: Member Topic Count: 64 Content Count: 4,663 Reputation: 401 Days Won: 21 Joined: 09/24/2012 Share Posted June 12, 2013 Ah, gotcha. Understood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bull94 Posted June 12, 2013 Group: Member Topic Count: 22 Content Count: 8,722 Reputation: 992 Days Won: 23 Joined: 02/02/2005 Share Posted June 12, 2013 You can't tell me that forcing BJD to become a pocket passer helped us in any way, shape, or form. You can't tell anyone that BJ was forced to become a pocket passer. If you think that he was, then you know very little about football. We didn't run as many wild ass plays as we used to, but he was far from forced to be a pocket passer. Really? Did'nt Skip Holtz say he wanted BJ to be more of a pocket passer in 2010?? Pretty positive that he did. Without even trying to search I've already found this. I'm sure there's more. http://tampabay.sbnation.com/south-florida-bulls/2011/8/29/2390677/can-b-j-daniels-shed-the-potential-label "Holtz has also told us they don't want the quarterback leading the team in rushing yards like it did in all of Grothe's full seasons, and again in Daniels' freshman year. Holtz and offensive coordinator Todd Fitch can tweak the offense to make him more comfortable throwing the ball (which they did after his disastrous game in Morgantown), but there's only so much they can do if they don't want him running wild." I'm not saying this is why Skip was canned. He was canned because he lost the team, the defensive "bend don't break" scheme was a total failure, and went 1-16 in conference play. What I am saying is that now, with real coaches, BJD will progress more than he ever did with Skip. In 09 BJ had 13.4 RAPG, 10 9.3 RAPG, 11 12.0 RAPG, and 12 11.5 RAPG. Yes, Skip wanted to make BJ a pocket passer, but he never actually did it. Don't get me wrong Skip sucked while he was here and there are a violation ton of things to blame him for, but he never actually made BJ a pocket passer, he tried, but the stats just don't show that he ever actually did. not sure what RAPG is but BJs pass:run ratio went from 1.3 under Leavitt to 2.8 his last year with Skip. i.e. he was throwing 3 times as much as rushing. he averaged 32 passes per game. oh this doesn't account for scrambles where it was a called pass play and he had to run for his life. plus sacks count as rushes in college too so those skew his rushes as well. Ohio State's QB was 1.12 kansas state's was 1.47 those coaches knew how to use their QBs to the best of their ability Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vega Posted June 12, 2013 Group: Member Topic Count: 303 Content Count: 5,982 Reputation: 109 Days Won: 2 Joined: 01/12/2008 Share Posted June 12, 2013 I love how the 49ers are using him. I always thought he'd be an interesting running back convert at the next level. If Daniels make the roster it will be as the #3 QB not at RB. It's to much depth at that position already. As the #3 Daniels will be on the 53 man roster and can be used in a variety of ways both on special teams and certain offensive packages. Also he can be the practice team QB without the risk of losing him to another team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skingraft Posted June 12, 2013 Group: Member Topic Count: 743 Content Count: 13,357 Reputation: 2,482 Days Won: 63 Joined: 12/11/2006 Share Posted June 12, 2013 Future pro bowl punt returner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ckparrothead Posted June 12, 2013 Group: Member Topic Count: 5 Content Count: 957 Reputation: 49 Days Won: 1 Joined: 05/25/2011 Share Posted June 12, 2013 I love how the 49ers are using him. I always thought he'd be an interesting running back convert at the next level. If Daniels make the roster it will be as the #3 QB not at RB. It's to much depth at that position already. As the #3 Daniels will be on the 53 man roster and can be used in a variety of ways both on special teams and certain offensive packages. Also he can be the practice team QB without the risk of losing him to another team. If Daniels makes the roster it will be as exactly what they're training him to be, because the 49ers find value in him. As for his being potentially on the practice squad (if that's what you meant), that would require that they cut him and then he clears waivers. And he could be poached off the practice squad at any time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apis Bull Posted June 12, 2013 Group: Member Topic Count: 1,586 Content Count: 23,185 Reputation: 2,332 Days Won: 65 Joined: 09/05/2002 Share Posted June 12, 2013 Just shows what a failure we had in Skip Holtz and crew's ability to coach our players. Based on one article? Let's see how this plays out first. No, it's based on the fact that he wanted to make him a pocket passer from the outset. BJ wanted to be a pocket passer. He had stated on several occasions that he doesn't like to run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bull94 Posted June 12, 2013 Group: Member Topic Count: 22 Content Count: 8,722 Reputation: 992 Days Won: 23 Joined: 02/02/2005 Share Posted June 12, 2013 Just shows what a failure we had in Skip Holtz and crew's ability to coach our players. Based on one article? Let's see how this plays out first. No, it's based on the fact that he wanted to make him a pocket passer from the outset. BJ wanted to be a pocket passer. He had stated on several occasions that he doesn't like to run. you realize that makes Holtz look even more incompetent, don't you? what $2M per year coach would tailor his play calling around what a 20 year old kid wanted? you think if Braxton Miller came to Urban Meyer and said "Coach I want to be a pocket passer." he would start calling 3 pass plays for every 1 run? no. he puts kids in a position to succeed by using them to the best of their abilities for the benefit of the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Who'sYourData? Posted June 12, 2013 Group: Member Topic Count: 410 Content Count: 19,525 Reputation: 992 Days Won: 24 Joined: 09/01/2006 Share Posted June 12, 2013 You can't tell me that forcing BJD to become a pocket passer helped us in any way, shape, or form. I mean..that'd be like moving a 4 star CB to WR...oh..wait.. The fact that Skip Holtz inherited a team that did not have any other scholarship QBs to turn to in the event of injury had nothing to do with that in your mind, I suppose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triple B Posted June 12, 2013 Group: Moderator Topic Count: 1,610 Content Count: 74,509 Reputation: 10,798 Days Won: 422 Joined: 11/25/2005 Share Posted June 12, 2013 I love how the 49ers are using him. I always thought he'd be an interesting running back convert at the next level. If Daniels make the roster it will be as the #3 QB not at RB. It's to much depth at that position already. As the #3 Daniels will be on the 53 man roster and can be used in a variety of ways both on special teams and certain offensive packages. Also he can be the practice team QB without the risk of losing him to another team. If Daniels makes the roster it will be as exactly what they're training him to be, because the 49ers find value in him. As for his being potentially on the practice squad (if that's what you meant), that would require that they cut him and then he clears waivers. And he could be poached off the practice squad at any time. The 53 man roster doesn't include the practice squad, does it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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