grothe was better than bj

[E.T.]

B.J. played strong at the end @ UConn

[Bulls Are We]

BJ looks more like PJ lately...

[DELdaBull]

And Grothe averaged 14 interceptions per year the 3 full seasons he played with a whopping 1 to 1 TD to INT ratio. Let BJ develop people. You might actually enjoy it.

[BJ]

I'm feeling nostalgic.  Remember when people were demanding Grothe be benched in favor of starting Daniels cause he was so much better?  Some people might be feeling a bit foolish about now.

[usfbullcpa]

And sorry, but you have to look at different coaching styles.  CJL built an offense around Grothe, CSH is building Daniels to his offense.

Also, this is a total game, time of possession, with the old defense Grothe was on the field more, meaning he was also playing against a tiring defense.

This is like arguing who was better for the Dolphins, Griese or Marino.  You cannot compare them, they had diffetent circumstances.

[Bullpride08]

at this stage in his developement

Hard to argue with smazza's assessment.  bj daniels clearly the better athlete but if he's the better QB still remains in question.  BJ started his 3rd game this year, meaning he's now started 13 games...a full season. 

His stats over those 13 or so games are not as pretty.  BJ since his FSU start and through his WKU start has the following stats.

137 competions on 265 attempts, for a 51.6% completion percentage, with 16 TD's to 14 INT's, and his passing yardage was for 2209.  He has also rushed for 780 yards.  During that span the team went 7 and 6.

Compare to Matt Grothe's first 13 games in 2006 (and for simplicity we'll just assume matt's first game against McNeese was a start but to Matt's defense he only really played in the 2nd half of that game).

202 completions on 317 attempts, for a 63.7% completion percentage with 15 TD's and 14 INT's, and he passed for 2576 yardage, and he also rushed for 629 yards.

In that span Matt's team was 9-4.

I'd say right now you'd have to say Matt was clearly ahead at this point comparing both careers.  That is especially true when you remember we're comparing Matt's RS-FR year exclusively to bj daniels.  By this time in Matt's RS-Soph year he had already beaten a top 12 ranked Auburn, and WVU teams, and shallacked UNC.

[Bullshiznitz]

at this stage in his developement

Hard to argue with smazza's assessment.  bj daniels clearly the better athlete but if he's the better QB still remains in question.  BJ started his 3rd game this year, meaning he's now started 13 games...a full season. 

His stats over those 13 or so games are not as pretty.  BJ since his FSU start and through his WKU start has the following stats.

137 competions on 265 attempts, for a 51.6% completion percentage, with 16 TD's to 14 INT's, and his passing yardage was for 2209.  He has also rushed for 780 yards.  During that span the team went 7 and 6.

Compare to Matt Grothe's first 13 games in 2006 (and for simplicity we'll just assume matt's first game against McNeese was a start but to Matt's defense he only really played in the 2nd half of that game).

202 completions on 317 attempts, for a 63.7% completion percentage with 15 TD's and 14 INT's, and he passed for 2576 yardage, and he also rushed for 629 yards.

In that span Matt's team was 9-4.

I'd say right now you'd have to say Matt was clearly ahead at this point comparing both careers.  That is especially true when you remember we're comparing Matt's RS-FR year exclusively to bj daniels.  By this time in Matt's RS-Soph year he had already beaten a top 12 ranked Auburn, and WVU teams, and shallacked UNC.

You need to put that assessment in context though.  While comparing RS-FR year to RS-FR year (+ 3 RS-SO), or the first 12 regular season games in their careers, we also need to look at competition then.  Grothe dealt with a bad UNC team at home (3-9), an average Kansas team on the road (6-6), FIU, UCF, McNeese St and the Big East schedule.  Daniels has dealt with an average FSU team on the road (7-6), a good Miami team at home (9-4), a very good UF team on the road (4-0 to this point), Stony Brook and Western Kentucky.  The record of those frist 12 teams Grothe faced was 76-72, while Daniels is 77-50 (with UF, Stony Brook and WKU still needing to play out the rest of this season). 

Personally I still think way to early yet to make any type of assessment.  People are having a gut reaction based off of one bad game, against a top 10 team, in one of the toughest places to play in college football with a completely decimated WR core, in only his second game learning a new system.  Give it a little time.....lets atleast see how he does with the WR's back before going all "start the back up qb" goober on us. 

[nobull.Bulls]

Grothe could lead our team back from almost any deficit (20-3 against Kansas) and was a clutch performer.

I'd like to see BJ do that. He seems to get too sporadic under pressure. 

Let's see what he does in conference play before we write him off

[thebouncer1898]

While i think Grothe might have had a slight edge in field vision his decision making was poor even when he was a senior. Daniels accuracy is relatively on par with Grothe except in the short passing game. Lets not forget Grothe 52 TD's and 44 INT's in his career which is quite bad. Both have their positives and negatives but BJ has a higher ceiling than Grothe ever had and with coaches who seem smarter it should translate into Daniels play. Give it time he is still a RS Sophmore in a new system going on his 3rd offensive coordinator. He still has 33 games left in his career excluding possible bowl games to prove ya'll wrong.

In 3 years as the starting QB, Josh Freeman has 44 TD's and 34 INT's and he was a first round pick....Matt would make some bad throws but not at the rate BJ does, and how often did any of the OC's have to pull the plug on the passing game 3 weeks into the season?

[thebouncer1898]

Can't compare the two at this point in the year.  I have the distinct feeling that for the most part CSH has had a leash on Daniels this year to stay in the pocket, Grothe never had that.  I am watching the WKU game again right now on the BHSN rebroadcast and twice in the first drive of the 3rd quarter BJ had clear running lanes and pulled up in the pocket, not taking them.  

Besides, Grothe had an older front line that Daniels does.  Had not had a coaching change, hence new gameplan, and had an offensive scheme built around him.  

Once we get in conference play we will see how this comparison pans out.

3 different OC's for Grothe..Smith, Gregory and Canales.