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grothe was better than bj

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at this stage in his developement

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While i think Grothe might have had a slight edge in field vision his decision making was poor even when he was a senior. Daniels accuracy is relatively on par with Grothe except in the short passing game. Lets not forget Grothe 52 TD's and 44 INT's in his career which is quite bad. Both have their positives and negatives but BJ has a higher ceiling than Grothe ever had and with coaches who seem smarter it should translate into Daniels play. Give it time he is still a RS Sophmore in a new system going on his 3rd offensive coordinator. He still has 33 games left in his career excluding possible bowl games to prove ya'll wrong.

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Grothe= Big East total yardage leader...no contest...BJ won't be starting much longer so this is not a problem. Holtz doesn't like BJ because he throws into double and tripple coverage even in practice.

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Grothe= Big East total yardage leader...no contest...BJ won't be starting much longer so this is not a problem. Holtz doesn't like BJ because he throws into double and tripple coverage even in practice.

IDC if he was the total yardage leader the guy never matured as a QB after 3 1/2 years as a starter. Daniels is much more gifted and i doubt Holtz will give up on such a special athlete after 3 frigging games in a brand new more complicated system.

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Can't compare the two at this point in the year.  I have the distinct feeling that for the most part CSH has had a leash on Daniels this year to stay in the pocket, Grothe never had that.  I am watching the WKU game again right now on the BHSN rebroadcast and twice in the first drive of the 3rd quarter BJ had clear running lanes and pulled up in the pocket, not taking them.  

Besides, Grothe had an older front line that Daniels does.  Had not had a coaching change, hence new gameplan, and had an offensive scheme built around him.  

Once we get in conference play we will see how this comparison pans out.

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Grothe= Big East total yardage leader.

That doesn't mean anything.

If B.J. were to lead USF to a Big East title that would trump everything.

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While i think Grothe might have had a slight edge in field vision his decision making was poor even when he was a senior. Daniels accuracy is relatively on par with Grothe except in the short passing game. Lets not forget Grothe 52 TD's and 44 INT's in his career which is quite bad. Both have their positives and negatives but BJ has a higher ceiling than Grothe ever had and with coaches who seem smarter it should translate into Daniels play. Give it time he is still a RS Sophmore in a new system going on his 3rd offensive coordinator. He still has 33 games left in his career excluding possible bowl games to prove ya'll wrong.

Au contraire mon frere:

Completion % Stats:

2010: Daniels 50.9%, rank >100th

2009: Daniels 53.7%, rank 99th of 99

2008: Grothe 63.2%, rank 28th of 99

2007: Grothe 59.2%, rank 59th of 99

2006: Grothe 63.7%, rank 18th of 100

2005: Julimiste 49.2%, rank 99th of 99

2004: Julimiste 47.8%, rank 98th of 100

YPG Stats:

2010: Daniels 135, rank 96th of 100

2009: Daniels 152.5, rank 95th of 100

2008: Grothe 223.9, rank 38th of 100

2007: Grothe 205.4, rank 54th of 100

2006: Grothe 198.2, rank 39th of 100

2005: Julmiste 124.1, rank 99th of 100

2004: Julmiste 142.7, rank 89th of 100

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to me, it is crazy how similar the 2 are. Both can make the spectacular play and then make a terrible play later in the series. Both have tremendous wheels and the elusiveness that only backs usually have. Both have moxy and attitude and were fearless.

I thought Grothe was such a unique player, and its crazy to see the next guy in line is similar in so many ways.

For me, I'd take Grothe. But BJ has a lot of career left to improve and has the potential to surpass Matt when all is done. I was definitely expecting more improvement from BJ than we have seen thus far into his second year. Hope the learning curve picks up soon.

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to me, it is crazy how similar the 2 are. Both can make the spectacular play and then make a terrible play later in the series. Both have tremendous wheels and the elusiveness that only backs usually have. Both have moxy and attitude and were fearless.

I thought Grothe was such a unique player, and its crazy to see the next guy in line is similar in so many ways.

For me, I'd take Grothe. But BJ has a lot of career left to improve and has the potential to surpass Matt when all is done. I was definitely expecting more improvement from BJ than we have seen thus far into his second year. Hope the learning curve picks up soon.

I would like to see Daniels make more big completions that aren't 50-yard heaves off his back foot to an open receiver. We saw Grothe do it many times, eluding would-be tacklers then hitting a receiver 10 to 30 yards down the field. His touchdown pass to AJ Love down the right sideline in the Kansas game in 2008 was probably the most beautiful throw I've ever seen from a USF quarterback, and I don't think Daniels has made any plays that can compare. Sure he's connected on some long bombs, and it takes arm strength and such to do that, but it's another thing all together to connect with receivers on plays that aren't busted. Daniels doesn't do it nearly as consistently as Grothe did.

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While i think Grothe might have had a slight edge in field vision his decision making was poor even when he was a senior. Daniels accuracy is relatively on par with Grothe except in the short passing game. Lets not forget Grothe 52 TD's and 44 INT's in his career which is quite bad. Both have their positives and negatives but BJ has a higher ceiling than Grothe ever had and with coaches who seem smarter it should translate into Daniels play. Give it time he is still a RS Sophmore in a new system going on his 3rd offensive coordinator. He still has 33 games left in his career excluding possible bowl games to prove ya'll wrong.

Au contraire mon frere:

Completion % Stats:

2010: Daniels 50.9%, rank >100th

2009: Daniels 53.7%, rank 99th of 99

2008: Grothe 63.2%, rank 28th of 99

2007: Grothe 59.2%, rank 59th of 99

2006: Grothe 63.7%, rank 18th of 100

2005: Julimiste 49.2%, rank 99th of 99

2004: Julimiste 47.8%, rank 98th of 100

YPG Stats:

2010: Daniels 135, rank 96th of 100

2009: Daniels 152.5, rank 95th of 100

2008: Grothe 223.9, rank 38th of 100

2007: Grothe 205.4, rank 54th of 100

2006: Grothe 198.2, rank 39th of 100

2005: Julmiste 124.1, rank 99th of 100

2004: Julmiste 142.7, rank 89th of 100

Daniels YPG in 2009 is an unfair stat.  It accounts for every game that he played in although he did not start a few.

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