Penalties

[BULLigerent]

Have we talked about this yet?

(sorry if we have - been out of power since Sunday am)

[Apis Bull]

ad nauseum

[Ricky the Bull]

Seems like each and every game we talk about it.

It's obviously a systemic problem that the coaching staff cannot solve.  CJL has stated several times that extra running and other methods of punishment for guilty players doesn't help and it is apparent that we are unwilling to hurt the team by benching them for any stretch.  Perhaps they will bench them for the game when they feel we have the depth to afford to both do that and sign players who don't have that propensity.

[Bullpride08]

Seems like each and every game we talk about it.

It's obviously a systemic problem that the coaching staff cannot solve.  CJL has stated several times that extra running and other methods of punishment for guilty players doesn't help and it is apparent that we are unwilling to hurt the team by benching them for any stretch.  Perhaps they will bench them for the game when they feel we have the depth to afford to both do that and sign players who don't have that propensity.

As has always been the case, many people need to understand that if you're a fan of Jim Leavitt then you'll always come to expect an extra penalty or two.  He plays an aggressive style, and he's an in-your-face motivation style coach.   We'll always see a few extra penalties.

The better idea is to differentiate.  First some of the penalties Sat. Night were bad calls, atrocious.  Also, people need to differentiate what calls we need to eliminate.  I for one am fine with a face mask, or occasional roughing the passer penalty (that was a bad call against Kobel).  I don't find excuses for the illegal substitution, and too many men on the field- USF was flagged three times for these penalties- one giving TCU a first down on a 4th and 4 where TCU was preparing to punt, and it was on a TD drive.  Also, illegal procedure often bugs me.  

The positive is we might have had our big boob game of the year where we overload on penalties.  Many of the penalties were technique, and player errors.  That can be coached out.

[DENVERBULL]

I don't find excuses for the illegal substitution, and too many men on the field- USF was flagged three times for these penalties- one giving TCU a first down on a 4th and 4 where TCU was preparing to punt, and it was on a TD drive.  Also, illegal procedure often bugs me.  

Those are definitley on the coaches shoulders.  The personal fouls have to go as well.  We get WAY too many of those.

[Ricky the Bull]

I should have said in my earlier post that I was speaking about the personal foul errors and I think that a smart player can be aggressive and punishing without crossing the line.

The issue is that once a team gets a 'reputation', then refs are not going overlook marginal calls, such as the roughing the passer call where our defender clearly was going for his arm and hit the QBs shoulder pad, not his helmet.

[Ricky the Bull]

USF Penalties in order of occurance

Personal foul

Holding

Substitution Infraction - 1st down TCU

Holding (declined)

Pass Interference (A. Hall)

Illegal block (kickoff)

Delay of Game

False Start (Sarosi)

False Start

False Start (Miller)

Personal Foul - 1st down TCU

False Start

Roughing the kicker - 1st down TCU

Personal foul - 1st down

Personal foul - facemask - 1st down TCU

Substitution infraction

Holding (negates sack)

Pass Interference (Jenkins) - 1st down TCU

Offsides

Breakdown:

Personal fouls - 5

False starts - 4

Holding - 2

Substitution infractions - 2

Pass Interference - 2

Delay - 1

Illegal block - 1

Offsides - 1

[The Sheriff]

We look like the old Miami Hurricanes with those personal fouls! Way to go Bulls! Those Canes had all the swagger and won!