BayIslandBull Posted September 11, 2021 Group: Member Topic Count: 54 Content Count: 1,141 Reputation: 412 Days Won: 2 Joined: 10/24/2011 Share Posted September 11, 2021 55 minutes ago, FootballFan247 said: Texas and Oklahoma left because the SEC offered more money. UCF, Cincy, and Houston are in the Big 12 because it's more money. Whatever teams the AAC selects for expansion will leave because it's more money. All this stuff is based on their programs making more money. It has nothing to do with teams being "elite" and it never did. Let's be real honest here: The Big 10 and the SEC are the two best conferences in college football, then the Big 12, ACC and Pac 12 follow behind, then the AAC and rest of the G5 conferences. Big 12 isn't going to lose it's status as a Power 5, because if they did, it's going to be such a slippery slope for inclusion it just wouldn't be worth it. Agreed about the money. The rest of it is delusional. We've already been down this road when the blue blood programs leave in the Big East. There are no bonafide blue blood football programs in the B12 anymore. The fact still remains that the B12 is just one domino falling away from it being a terrible situation for UCF. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad Posted September 11, 2021 Group: Admin Topic Count: 13,331 Content Count: 96,971 Reputation: 10,799 Days Won: 469 Joined: 05/19/2000 Share Posted September 11, 2021 5 minutes ago, BayIslandBull said: There are no bonafide blue blood football programs in the B12 anymore. You got it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BayIslandBull Posted September 11, 2021 Group: Member Topic Count: 54 Content Count: 1,141 Reputation: 412 Days Won: 2 Joined: 10/24/2011 Share Posted September 11, 2021 (edited) 14 minutes ago, FootballFan247 said: Sure. Let's say the Big 12 did lose it's Power 5 status due to it's lack of "elite" teams; you're going to start seeing conversations about these other conferences. The only ACC teams that's any good is Clemson and Notre Dame. Everyone else sucks. FSU fell off a cliff after Jimbo left, Miami hasn't been relevant in 20 years, NC State and North Carolina are average at best, Duke has basketball but their football team is garbage. Who else is there? Pac 12 is in an even worse situation I think because of their geographic location out west. You have USC and UCLA and Oregon and while UCLA is doing good so far, they've been really bad for many years prior. USC has been bad for several years now, Oregon is iffy at best now, and after them it's a massive drop off. I don't know what order I'd exactly put them in, but I know those 3 conferences all have massive flaws that nobody ever seems to acknowledge. See above. The PAC12 already borders Oklahoma & Kansas, and has a footprint in Utah. Geography isn't a problem to pickup OSU, KSU, KU & BYU. Edit: The truth is, though, they probably wouldn't add enough value outside of killing the B12 once and for all. Edited September 11, 2021 by BayIslandBull 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
USFBULL_08 Posted September 11, 2021 Group: Member Topic Count: 48 Content Count: 2,340 Reputation: 658 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/29/2009 Share Posted September 11, 2021 15 minutes ago, Brad said: Our administration of Athletics has been horribly poor after Griffin/Selmon/Leavitt years. I assume you mean mentally. 12 minutes ago, Brad said: Thanks for your explanation. It's been apparent for more than a decade, the SEC dwarfs all conferences, including the Big 10 in a top to bottom comparison. Maybe the majority should allow SEC to serve as NFL proving ground and the rest get back to college athletics. According to who, ESPN? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEnglandBull Posted September 11, 2021 Group: Member Topic Count: 1,518 Content Count: 42,125 Reputation: 8,834 Days Won: 344 Joined: 11/29/2009 Share Posted September 11, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, BayIslandBull said: And? That accounts for 4 hours out of a weekend trip. Heard of Kansas City? 45 minutes away with the best jazz bars, multiple museums, great barbecue, pro sports, etc. Edited September 11, 2021 by NewEnglandBull Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
puc86 Posted September 11, 2021 Group: Member Topic Count: 147 Content Count: 19,249 Reputation: 6,138 Days Won: 255 Joined: 10/13/2002 Share Posted September 11, 2021 Just now, NewEnglandBull said: Heard of Kansas City? Best jazz bars, multiple museums, great barbecue, etc. no, is it in Kansas? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEnglandBull Posted September 11, 2021 Group: Member Topic Count: 1,518 Content Count: 42,125 Reputation: 8,834 Days Won: 344 Joined: 11/29/2009 Share Posted September 11, 2021 Just now, puc86 said: no, is it in Kansas? Actually Missouri… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad Posted September 11, 2021 Group: Admin Topic Count: 13,331 Content Count: 96,971 Reputation: 10,799 Days Won: 469 Joined: 05/19/2000 Share Posted September 11, 2021 3 minutes ago, NewEnglandBull said: Heard of Kansas City? 45 minutes away with the best jazz bars, multiple museums, great barbecue, pro sports, etc. A lot of crime, too. I travel frequently to St. Louis, another bastion of crime, and they point to K.C. so they can feel better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
puc86 Posted September 11, 2021 Group: Member Topic Count: 147 Content Count: 19,249 Reputation: 6,138 Days Won: 255 Joined: 10/13/2002 Share Posted September 11, 2021 1 minute ago, NewEnglandBull said: Actually Missouri… Sounds like a dumb name, I’m glad I just fly over those states 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEnglandBull Posted September 11, 2021 Group: Member Topic Count: 1,518 Content Count: 42,125 Reputation: 8,834 Days Won: 344 Joined: 11/29/2009 Share Posted September 11, 2021 Just now, Brad said: A lot of crime, too. Oh yeah…just like most older cities, in the downtown area you have to keep your head up but I never had any issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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