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The seeds are planted....... Snell trade possibility


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50 minutes ago, chapelbull said:

That's BS.  He's the manager ... period.  And the fact that they can compete in a division and league in general with the payroll they have shows that they work in their favor.   Lots of teams are "still" chasing a ring each year that spend a helluva lot more than they do each year.

7 out the last 10 world series champions have been ranked in the top ten in terms of payroll. 

the three exceptions: 

Stl '11- ranked 11th

KC '15, Hou'17 

Both of these teams tanked for years to hit on multiple high draft picks and cashed in on them. One of the teams paid their young stars and paid to bring in good to elite talent around them. The other one didn't, only one is still relevant, the other hasn't sniffed the playoffs since. 

the '90 Marlins are the only team to win a WS ranked lower than 16th. They were 25th, not 27th

Odds say that spending money wins the world series and it makes sense when you think about the fact that the players you really need to seal the deal are expensive. 

Now for the decision, it was predetermined that Snell would not face the top of the order a third time. I believe that was even what Cashed offered as his reasoning. It was not a baseball decision, it was analytical decision. A directive from the top to the bottom. I get that he may have been running the meeting that made the decision, but he made based on what he is being asked to do, which is run the club a certain way. 

But you are right, they can compete. year in and year out, they can compete. That keeps them relevant enough to make the team profitable and maybe one year, they will put everything together catch that lightning in a bottle and win it all. We haven't seen that yet, but it is a possibility. 

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He was still the manager and analytics is part of managing in this day and age to one extent or another.   He is being asked to win games just like every other manager in the league.    Despite not spending money we've been to the playoffs 6 times in the past 13 years (should have been there in 2018 as well), won 3 divisions, and won 2 AL Pennants.  No we haven't won the big one yet, but I'd say when you consider the lack of spending (and I'm not defending Stu on this part) we are doing something right.  That's kind of the point, Stu doesn't spend money yet we can compete with those that do most years.  Analytics have been a big part of that the whole time.

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On 11/25/2020 at 2:08 PM, Jonesy Bull said:

Rays almost win the whole thing and now they are tearing the team apart cause of that fn idiot NY owner who doesnt give a ****.

Please sell now to a local owner Stern cheap ass a-hole.

Where's Vince Naimoli when you need him?  Maybe Hugh Culverhouse's ghost wants to make a bid?

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17 hours ago, Jonesy Bull said:

🧑‍💼👨‍🍳Report - Snell wants to make it work in Tampa Bay.

Blake Snell doesn’t want to leave the Rays. Here’s why (tampabay.com)

This is unpossible .... Snell hates Kevin Cash ..... 🙄

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The analytics game is different in Tampa than anywhere else. 

We can pretend that Cash has the same amount of autonomy as any other manager but that's just not true, there's a reason they pulled him out of a bullpen to be a manager.

There's a reason he has had three consecutive great seasons of over achieving and not getting approached for higher paying positions. 

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5 minutes ago, BrassBulls12 said:

The analytics game is different in Tampa than anywhere else. 

We can pretend that Cash has the same amount of autonomy as any other manager but that's just not true, there's a reason they pulled him out of a bullpen to be a manager.

There's a reason he has had three consecutive great seasons of over achieving and not getting approached for higher paying positions. 

I think the ones pretending are the ones pretending the Manager in the Year doesn't have anything to do with the team's success on the field

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1 minute ago, chapelbull said:

I think the ones pretending are the ones pretending the Manager in the Year doesn't have anything to do with the team's success on the field

well they can't give the award to the front office, it has to go to someone........

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12 minutes ago, BrassBulls12 said:

well they can't give the award to the front office, it has to go to someone........

Sure 🙄

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On 12/8/2020 at 11:10 AM, chapelbull said:

Where's Vince Naimoli when you need him?  Maybe Hugh Culverhouse's ghost wants to make a bid?

Yeah, he totally reminds me of both of them....and no they will never sell the Rays.  They are too profitable (especially with this new TV contract), despite what they want us to believe.  Especially since they are so **** cheap with payroll.

He is still touting the split plan with Montreal.  I still don't think that is really a "thing".  Could be just a ploy.  But with this guy who knows.  But time is running out on a Tampa plan (if there is still one).  And this Covid/Economic crisis couldn't come at a worse time, if one believes in keeping the Rays here.

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