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The Reason Skip Holtz Lost @ USF


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7 minutes ago, CousinRicky said:

You must be young.  I remember that crap idea from the '70s.  And not the temperature.

I just remember Skip saying it, and us losing every game at the end by a score. He burned it into my brain. I wasn’t born until 87

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8 hours ago, BDYZR said:

Why does this seem eerily recent...

Up by 13, under 4 minutes... Memphis

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17 hours ago, Peatearpan said:

I just remember Skip saying it, and us losing every game at the end by a score. He burned it into my brain. I wasn’t born until 87

I've grown to think "bend don't break" is synonymous with "play scared so the loss is moral victory". In the modern era of QB and defenseless player safety, defensive players and coaches need to do whatever it takes to suffocate the ability of the opponent to move the football. Good defense finds ways to frustrate the opponent. Letting your opponent have some success and hope they falter on their own defies anything competitive . "Bend don't brake" becomes "give them an inch and they take a foot". It just doesn't work anymore maybe it never did.

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20 minutes ago, pascobull said:

I've grown to think "bend don't break" is synonymous with "play scared so the loss is moral victory". In the modern era of QB and defenseless player safety, defensive players and coaches need to do whatever it takes to suffocate the ability of the opponent to move the football. Good defense finds ways to frustrate the opponent. Letting your opponent have some success and hope they falter on their own defies anything competitive . "Bend don't brake" becomes "give them an inch and they take a foot". It just doesn't work anymore maybe it never did.

If it never did, they still wouldn't be doing it. Reality is that it probably works more times than it doesn't but the times it doesn't are amplified exponentially ....

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3 minutes ago, Triple B said:

If it never did, they still wouldn't be doing it. Reality is that it probably works more times than it doesn't but the times it doesn't are amplified exponentially ....

Given the scoring nature of football any defensive philosophy can claim this so it doesn’t really matter if it works more often than it doesn’t it matters how it compares to other philosophies (I honestly have no opinion on if it does or does not).

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51 minutes ago, puc86 said:

Given the scoring nature of football any defensive philosophy can claim this so it doesn’t really matter if it works more often than it doesn’t it matters how it compares to other philosophies (I honestly have no opinion on if it does or does not).

I skipped by and had to hit the back button on the browser.  WHHHHAT???

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Just now, CousinRicky said:

I skipped by and had to hit the back button on the browser.  WHHHHAT???

I just know that there are a lot of biases that would lead someone to believe that this could be worse than it actually is ie it could possibly get used more in those situations, people remember the times it cost them more than when it helped them and the recency of an event;  I guess I haven’t ever thought to study the matter I just know that anecdotal evidence doesn’t always pan out when held to empirical rigors but sometimes it does.

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Didn't Skip screw up the recruiting of the Griffin twins somehow?  Weren't they set to come to USF and then something happened with Skip and their recruiting?

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27 minutes ago, USFRaider said:

Didn't Skip screw up the recruiting of the Griffin twins somehow?  Weren't they set to come to USF and then something happened with Skip and their recruiting?

Not sure but if so this is the reason we lost to c in 2017, he was still screwing us even a couple coaches later.  

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2 minutes ago, brybull1970 said:

I'll give you two guesses but you are only going to need one - recruiting. Skip was and is able to recruit the talent needed to success in lower level conferences, but not at the level needed to compete long term at USF. Once the roster resembled more of his recruits and less of CJL's he couldn't compete.

Give the guy some credit though - with talent (CJL's team) he was able to field some impressive wins early on. In a 4 game stretch he had wins at Miami, against Clemson and at Notre Dame. Maybe the most impressive 4 game stretch in program history.

Lost to UCONN in between, he was lucky as hell at the U and at ND, but regardless I will give him some credit for that stretch.  

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