Marketing USF Football

[hm101]

Legs & eggs!

[jjlovecub]

On 12/13/2019 at 1:18 PM, El_Toro_86 said:

It’s as simple as this

I think it is more than that. In 2016 at 8-1 in our last home game before we played in Orlando we only drew 26k. We were winning and scoring and not drawing crowds. 

[NewEnglandBull]

30 minutes ago, jjlovecub said:

I think it is more than that. In 2016 at 8-1 in our last home game before we played in Orlando we only drew 26k. We were winning and scoring and not drawing crowds. 

It will always be a problem. I am not a believer in the “win and they will come” adage. There are too many issues with TB sports fans and USF fans/students for us to draw well consistently. I think 40-44k will be reachable at times but not consistently. 

Edited December 15, 2019 by NewEnglandBull

[puc86]

To paraphrase James Carville, “ The conference, stupid”. People can run around pretending the AAC is great and just as good as whatever outlandish claim they would like to make but the market has spoken and collectively no one cares at all about this conference. We need to stop pretending and start coming up with a plan for the post AAC failed experiment.

[NewEnglandBull]

Just now, puc86 said:

To paraphrase James Carville, “ The conference, stupid”. People can run around pretending the AAC is great and just as good as whatever outlandish claim they would like to make but the market has spoken and collectively no one cares at all about this conference. We need to stop pretending and start coming up with a plan for the post AAC failed experiment.

The best idea is to wait and see if the Big 12 implodes in 5 years. If that happens a new conference could be created with the 3 to 4 leftovers in the Big12 and then add the best of the rest. Going independent is a loser and it’s unlikely we will be added to a P5 unless some really crazy things happen with their own structure. 

[puc86]

2 minutes ago, NewEnglandBull said:

The best idea is to wait and see if the Big 12 implodes in 5 years. If that happens a new conference could be created with the 3 to 4 leftovers in the Big12 and then add the best of the rest. Going independent is a loser and it’s unlikely we will be added to a P5 unless some really crazy things happen with their own structure. 

Being in the AAC is already a loser and we have hemorrhaged fans and money since we have been in it. What’s the fear? That we could lose more than the millions of dollars we already lose yearly? That the stadium will be more empty than you already complain about? Fear isn’t a reason to stay stagnant and if you started a side hustle of USF football in the AAC it would already not be a business on your tax returns but a hobby. People keep saying we can’t be independent because it’s crazy because we will fail, news flash we are already failing and the crazy thing is thinking something can improve by continuing to do the same things over and over.

[E.T.]

Winning and conference affiliation are two different issues.

We still need to market our football team.

[NewEnglandBull]

1 hour ago, puc86 said:

Being in the AAC is already a loser and we have hemorrhaged fans and money since we have been in it. What’s the fear? That we could lose more than the millions of dollars we already lose yearly? That the stadium will be more empty than you already complain about? Fear isn’t a reason to stay stagnant and if you started a side hustle of USF football in the AAC it would already not be a business on your tax returns but a hobby. People keep saying we can’t be independent because it’s crazy because we will fail, news flash we are already failing and the crazy thing is thinking something can improve by continuing to do the same things over and over.

So you are saying if we are an independent there will be more people at the games? I am not buying. Are you aware of the difficulty in scheduling quality home games as an independent? You think Michigan, Ohio State, FSU, and UF are going to suddenly come here? In terms of away games you have four weeks to play decent games then their conference schedules starts and we will be playing Liberty and Umass. Next issue...what are you playing for? Where is the end game? Unlikely you get a bowl invite after winning 9 games. Finally, where will basketball and the olympic sports play? Look I am not thumping my chest over the AAC but it’s a better set up than being independent for sure. 

[puc86]

39 minutes ago, NewEnglandBull said:

So you are saying if we are an independent there will be more people at the games? I am not buying. Are you aware of the difficulty in scheduling quality home games as an independent? You think Michigan, Ohio State, FSU, and UF are going to suddenly come here? In terms of away games you have four weeks to play decent games then their conference schedules starts and we will be playing Liberty and Umass. Next issue...what are you playing for? Where is the end game? Unlikely you get a bowl invite after winning 9 games. Finally, where will basketball and the olympic sports play? Look I am not thumping my chest over the AAC but it’s a better set up than being independent for sure. 

BYU manages to get 12 games filled every season and with quite a bit of teams people care about more than the land of misfit toys we have had the misfortune of recently associating with. Every singe week for the entirety of the season there are teams playing out of conference games as evidenced by the fact we are unfortunately in a “conference” and BYU is not and somehow we ended up being able to play them later in the year after conference games had already started.
 

Our home games are not valuable in and of themselves and most are losing money. Sacrifice some of the waste of space games for 2-1’s with relevant programs that people will actually attend and watch on TV and having less of something makes it more valuable and more likely to be attended than something people think there is too much of cluttering their weekends. If we have to play FAU and FIU every year to have a couple of extra home games I think you are being horribly disingenuous if you think the average fan sees a difference between them and Tulsa, Tulane or whoever else is in this conference that all of Tampa has already made perfectly clear that they don’t give an f about.

[Triple B]

2 hours ago, puc86 said:

Being in the AAC is already a loser and we have hemorrhaged fans and money since we have been in it. What’s the fear? That we could lose more than the millions of dollars we already lose yearly? That the stadium will be more empty than you already complain about? Fear isn’t a reason to stay stagnant and if you started a side hustle of USF football in the AAC it would already not be a business on your tax returns but a hobby. People keep saying we can’t be independent because it’s crazy because we will fail, news flash we are already failing and the crazy thing is thinking something can improve by continuing to do the same things over and over.

If you're serious with this, thinking things couldn't be any worse than they are now by going Independent, you are more delusional than I've given you credit for.

Edit: Just saw your latest post and you apparently are serious about this. Good news is we've got a pilot program going that Indy route from the AAC right now. We can see how that plays out.