IBulleve Posted December 5, 2019 Group: Member Topic Count: 9 Content Count: 1,215 Reputation: 383 Days Won: 1 Joined: 09/01/2011 Share Posted December 5, 2019 (edited) Here's my take on what's going on currently, and a couple of scenarios that could play out - The Clemson Guys I'm starting here as I have Elliott as my #1 candidate, and Scott isn't very far down the line. I firmly believe MK has/had Jeff Scott & Tony Elliott at the top of his list going into this search. You don't withhold the use of a search firm if you don't feel your next head coach is within your network. Now, his network could be wider than the well known ACC connections, but I personally believe at least one of these two guys has been atop his list since he arrived at USF. Both Elliott & Scott have made it clear that they won't entertain opportunities until after the "championship" phase of this year. Does that mean ACC Champ, or CFB playoffs, I'm not totally sure. I am sure MK has at the very least reached out to one of their reps to gauge interest. The longer Elliott/Scott aren't ruled out, the better chance that they have expressed general interest, but aren't willing to do so formally until they deem it the appropriate time. MK comes off as the type of guy that would be willing to show patience if their interest is genuine, but isn't going to be strung out either (remember his quote about this in his press conference?). If this is the route we go, I imagine you wont hear anything until next week, after the ACC Championship game. CWT Oh, slick Willie. I genuinely believe his name in the news has much more to do with Sexton/Taggart inserting their name in the search, rather than MK cold calling Sexton praying he picks up. With that said, if we strike out on Scott/Elliott, CWT might be our best move. Pros: Has won at USF before Runs the type of offense the entire fanbase wants Proven he can not only recruit players into the program, but also rally the community 6-1 at Oregon with Herbert Cons: Pretty much everything he did at FSU I think CWT is playing 2nd fiddle here. If we strike out on the Clemson guys, I think Kelly goes CWT over the rest of the candidate pool. From an X's & O's perspective, I believe his offense might be the best bet for USF out of any candidate available. His offense looked great as usual at Oregon (before losing Herbert). Oregon fans probably won't admit this, but Oregon is missing his ability to scheme guys open this year. Herbert had his highest YPA to date under Taggart, and they were well on their way to a Pac 12 Champ appearance in Y1 prior to his injury. While we shouldn't just forget what happened in Tallahassee, I think there were two major factors that lead to his demise - 1. An overall terrible roster 2. Striking out on recruiting a QB CWT is far from perfect, we know that. But he is probably the safest candidate possible in the fact that we wont have to worry about a new regime trying to pit a square peg in a round hole, only to try and change something down the road. Seemingly, every coach we have had (including Kerwin) has tried to bring in their offense. We constantly judge each scheme against the one that Taggart ended up with. Why not go back to what works? Everyone else Unfortunately to some, I think this is pretty much where the list ends. I think Larry Scott probably gets a courtesy interview, I expect Gene Chizik to check in (only to be told no thanks), and there will probably be other names fed to the Tampa Bay Times in order to try and show their interest in the job. At the end of the day, I think MK has his eyes set on the Clemson duo, with Taggart being our back up plan. And honestly, I'm pretty good with that. Thanks for attending my Ted Talk. Edited December 5, 2019 by IBulleve 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bull94 Posted December 5, 2019 Group: Member Topic Count: 22 Content Count: 8,722 Reputation: 992 Days Won: 23 Joined: 02/02/2005 Share Posted December 5, 2019 5 minutes ago, IBulleve said: Here's my take on what's going on currently, and a couple of scenarios that could play out - The Clemson Guys I'm starting here as I have Elliott as my #1 candidate, and Scott isn't very far down the line. I firmly believe MK has/had Jeff Scott & Tony Elliott at the top of his list going into this search. You don't withhold the use of a search firm if you don't feel your next head coach is within your network. Now, his network could be wider than the well known ACC connections, but I personally believe at least one of these two guys has been atop his list since he arrived at USF. Both Elliott & Scott have made it clear that they won't entertain opportunities until after the "championship" phase of this year. Does that mean ACC Champ, or CFB playoffs, I'm not totally sure. I am sure MK has at the very least reached out to one of their reps to gauge interest. The longer Elliott/Scott aren't ruled out, the better chance that they have expressed general interest, but aren't willing to do so formally until they deem it the appropriate time. MK comes off as the type of guy that would be willing to show patience if their interest is genuine, but isn't going to be strung out either (remember his quote about this in his press conference?). If this is the route we go, I imagine you wont hear anything until next week, after the ACC Championship game. CWT Oh, slick Willie. I genuinely believe his name in the news has much more to do with Sexton/Taggart inserting their name in the search, rather than MK cold calling Sexton praying he picks up. With that said, if we strike out on Scott/Elliott, CWT might be our best move. Pros: Has won at USF before Runs the type of offense the entire fanbase wants Proven he can not only recruit players into the program, but also rally the community 6-1 at Oregon with Herbert Cons: Pretty much everything he did at FSU I think CWT is playing 2nd fiddle here. If we strike out on the Clemson guys, I think Kelly goes CWT over the rest of the candidate pool. From an X's & O's perspective, I believe his offense might be the best bet for USF out of any candidate available. His offense looked great as usual at Oregon (before losing Herbert). Oregon fans probably won't admit this, but Oregon is missing his ability to scheme guys open this year. Herbert had his highest YPA to date under Taggart, and they were well on their way to a Pac 12 Champ appearance in Y1 prior to his injury. While we shouldn't just forget what happened in Tallahassee, I think there were two major factors that lead to his demise - 1. An overall terrible roster 2. Striking out on recruiting a QB CWT is far from perfect, we know that. But he is probably the safest candidate possible in the fact that we wont have to worry about a new regime trying to pit a square peg in a round hole, only to try and change something down the road. Seemlingly, every coach we have had (including Kerwin) has tried to bring in their offense. We constantly judge each scheme against the one that Taggart ended up with. Why not go back to what works? good points. I think either of the Co OCs could leave early too. I'm sure they would hate to miss the playoffs but there is another one there to call plays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
usf97 Posted December 5, 2019 Group: Member Topic Count: 179 Content Count: 3,647 Reputation: 456 Days Won: 4 Joined: 02/01/2005 Share Posted December 5, 2019 I agree about the Clemson duo. I tend to suspect those are the top targets. I assume MK is doing his due diligence on everybody else but is also probably not going to pull the trigger on anything until his top choices are off the table. I am sure Championship Weekend this weekend plays a role in that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roaming Bull Posted December 5, 2019 Group: Member Topic Count: 64 Content Count: 9,756 Reputation: 2,174 Days Won: 25 Joined: 09/20/2014 Share Posted December 5, 2019 I’m not sold on the Clemson twins. I think they’d be gone pretty quick, 2-3 years. If we had to pick one take the one that calls the plays, Elliot? CWT isn’t the worst pick, but I hope we don’t auto settle if we don’t pull one of the Clemson guys. I’m hoping the search further reaching then we know Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBulleve Posted December 5, 2019 Group: Member Topic Count: 9 Content Count: 1,215 Reputation: 383 Days Won: 1 Joined: 09/01/2011 Author Share Posted December 5, 2019 1 minute ago, Bull94 said: good points. I think either of the Co OCs could leave early too. I'm sure they would hate to miss the playoffs but there is another one there to call plays. If it's Elliott, I'm not so sure that he does. And honestly, that's one of the reasons I like him as a candidate so much. He's a very genuine person that values the culture of the program above all. Don't be mistaken, the guy can coach. He's been the primary play caller since Morris left. But this guy is Clemson through and through. I would imagine that IF he was the guy, it would be announced pretty early (get it out of the way before the playoffs), and he would begin reaching out to his contacts on his own accord. I definitely don't see him leaving Clemson should they make the playoffs as he seems like the guy that really wants to finish what he started. And I respect the heck out of that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bull94 Posted December 5, 2019 Group: Member Topic Count: 22 Content Count: 8,722 Reputation: 992 Days Won: 23 Joined: 02/02/2005 Share Posted December 5, 2019 5 minutes ago, Roaming Bull said: I’m not sold on the Clemson twins. I think they’d be gone pretty quick, 2-3 years. If we had to pick one take the one that calls the plays, Elliot? CWT isn’t the worst pick, but I hope we don’t auto settle if we don’t pull one of the Clemson guys. I’m hoping the search further reaching then we know anybody worth their salt is ambitious and will work hard to get to next level. Scott calls plays as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
usf97 Posted December 5, 2019 Group: Member Topic Count: 179 Content Count: 3,647 Reputation: 456 Days Won: 4 Joined: 02/01/2005 Share Posted December 5, 2019 Based on the last 2 seasons....I would be fine if they are gone after 2-3 seasons. That means we did well. I heard the same thing about CCS. Unfortunately, he was gone after 3 seasons but not in the good way where we get buyout money. Side note, one thing I like about Tony Elliott....apparently he's smart. Elliott graduated with a bachelor's degree in industrial engineering from Clemson University in 2002 with a team-high 3.55 GPA. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bull94 Posted December 5, 2019 Group: Member Topic Count: 22 Content Count: 8,722 Reputation: 992 Days Won: 23 Joined: 02/02/2005 Share Posted December 5, 2019 6 minutes ago, IBulleve said: If it's Elliott, I'm not so sure that he does. And honestly, that's one of the reasons I like him as a candidate so much. He's a very genuine person that values the culture of the program above all. Don't be mistaken, the guy can coach. He's been the primary play caller since Morris left. But this guy is Clemson through and through. I would imagine that IF he was the guy, it would be announced pretty early (get it out of the way before the playoffs), and he would begin reaching out to his contacts on his own accord. I definitely don't see him leaving Clemson should they make the playoffs as he seems like the guy that really wants to finish what he started. And I respect the heck out of that. maybe he could do both but I'm sure Kelly wants someone here for early signing period. Just now, usf97 said: Based on the last 2 seasons....I would be fine if they are gone after 2-3 seasons. That means we did well. I heard the same thing about CCS. Unfortunately, he was gone after 3 seasons but not in the good way where we get buyout money. Side note, one thing I like about Tony Elliott....apparently he's smart. Elliott graduated with a bachelor's degree in industrial engineering from Clemson University in 2002 with a team-high 3.55 GPA. yeah remember when all the worry was that Strong would leave us after 1 year............... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jonesy Bull Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 Just now, Bull94 said: anybody worth their salt is ambitious and will work hard to get to next level. Scott calls plays as well. Why does Clemson have 2 Offensive Coordinators anyway? That seems strange to me. Seems like they would get in each others way. But obviously its been working out for them. I was all for Jeff Scott, but I'd be good with either one. Actually Elliot might be the better choice here if he is the one that is predominately calling plays. Both can recruit, but can they recruit to USF is the question. We know Taggart can, he has done it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roaming Bull Posted December 5, 2019 Group: Member Topic Count: 64 Content Count: 9,756 Reputation: 2,174 Days Won: 25 Joined: 09/20/2014 Share Posted December 5, 2019 3 minutes ago, Bull94 said: anybody worth their salt is ambitious and will work hard to get to next level. Scott calls plays as well. True, but hot names have a way of getting pulled through the ranks faster. We all know there is no magic bullet hire that will be a panacea. I’m curious who MK has been talking to these last few days. Thank god Joey and Collin aren’t in charge of the search or it would’ve ended before it started Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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