Bell mentions "....the things thats happened that people don't realize"

[Bull94]

3 minutes ago, Bausfkid said:

A freshman quarterback at USF does not give them as good a chance to win as the Senior does.  Barnett is better than McCloud.  Way better.

Last year Barnett's QBR was 43.6. good for 102 in country.

This year McCloud's QBR 41.9. good for 99 in country

apologists will always find an excuse for failure

I believe our O-line is the same with the exception that instead of 3 freshman starting there are 3 sophomores.

Edited November 26, 2019 by Bull94

[DELdaBull]

ForestBull,

"He only won because of Flowers" is not giving him credit. 

Also, I was not trying to imply that you specifically were one of his detractors. 

[puc86]

17 minutes ago, ForestBull said:

Horne was the only reason for our best win of last year. 

Barnett did not have to play against top 15 Wisconsin last year. 

Also, for whatever reason the AAC is way better this year. We have played like 6 top 30 teams(including Wisconsin) this year...

 

It's funny you didn't address any other of my points.

What major points would you like for me to specifically address?

[Guest Jonesy Bull]

7 minutes ago, Bull94 said:

Last year Barnett's QBR was 43.6. good for 102 in country.

This year McCloud's QBR 41.9. good for 99 in country

apologists will always find an excuse for failure

I believe our O-line is the same with the exception that instead of 3 freshman starting there are 3 sophomores.

McCloud is a Freshman, and hasn't had much  supportaround him this year.  Its hard to project how good he is or  how good he could become with the right tutelage and the much better pieces around him.  I know we have pretty decently rated QBs coming in next season as Freshmen.  Maybe one of them will blow us away and take the reigns of this team.

[ForestBull]

15 minutes ago, Jonesy Bull said:

Yes Horne was a huge reason for the win.  But to be fair, Barnett did play a pretty good game against G-Tech last year....i thought it was his best game really.  Thats why I was suprised how badly it all turned out for him and us.

Horne had 3 Touchdowns. 

[Bausfkid]

12 minutes ago, Bull94 said:

Last year Barnett's QBR was 43.6. good for 102 in country.

This year McCloud's QBR 41.9. good for 99 in country

apologists will always find an excuse for failure

I believe our O-line is the same with the exception that instead of 3 freshman starting there are 3 sophomores.

You lefty types always want to put someone in a box. 
 

Nowhere did I even come close to being an apologist.  Fact is a fact.  Over the long haul BB at this time is better than JM. 

Tom Brady would suck behind our OL.  They were awful in their best game of the year.

[Bull94]

9 minutes ago, Jonesy Bull said:

McCloud is a Freshman, and hasn't had much  supportaround him this year.  Its hard to project how good he is or  how good he could become with the right tutelage and the much better pieces around him.  I know we have pretty decently rated QBs coming in next season as Freshmen.  Maybe one of them will blow us away and take the reigns of this team.

we had 5 returning o-linemen. a WR who was offered by alabama, michigan. a potential NFL TE. a RB who started at UF as a freshman.

Personally I think McCloud did as well as he could in this system and I think he can develop just fine. Problem is people want the next great USF QB and they want him now. Not willing to give time to develop.

there is always some great QB waiting in the wings at USF. I'll believe it when I see it.

Edited November 26, 2019 by Bull94

[Bull94]

1 minute ago, Bausfkid said:

You lefty types always want to put someone in a box. 
 

Nowhere did I even come close to being an apologist.  Fact is a fact.  Over the long haul BB at this time is better than JM. 

Tom Brady would suck behind our OL.  They were awful in their best game of the year.

and yet it was the same line we had last year only with more experience.

where did I say you were an apologist? and the numbers show they were comparable except our schedule was tougher this year.

 

Edited November 26, 2019 by Bull94

[JTrue]

2 hours ago, usf97 said:

Serious question....what are these "things thats happened that people don't realize" that KB is referring to here? What could have happened that we don't realize that would have made this season much different?

 

Could he be referring to: 

• Ford being suspended
• an unknown reason for the Blake Barnett injury
• the OL was mysteriously better during the spring and weekly practice
•  he's just trying to buy time

It all goes back to the OL in my mind. Besides Mayes, this OL is the same as 2018. 

I could tell you what these things are, but then they'd be things people do realize and this would just be another Fire CCS thread.

[Guest Jonesy Bull]

8 minutes ago, JTrue said:

I could tell you what these things are, but then they'd be things people do realize and this would just be another Fire CCS thread.

You might as well tell us.. Its not like you are going to ruin anybody's day.  Everybody is pretty much in a foul mood already about this season anyway.   How much more damage could your revelations really do?